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Ad hoc at home ok for kosher kitchen?

SarahKC Nov 3, 2009 08:03 AM


I am going to visit a friend who keeps kosher and was thinking of getting her the Ad Hoc at Home cookbook as a housewarming gift. But are there enough recipes that are
1. vegetarian?
2. NOT pork or shellfish
3. Use meat & dairy but can be adapted through the use of margarine?

Anyone familiar with the book who can give feedback would be great!


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  1. weinstein5 RE: SarahKC Nov 3, 2009 08:10 AM

    I keep kosher and I have many non-kosher cookbooks - I have used many recipes out of these cookbooks adapting them to meet my dietary restrictions either by changing the protein, substituting margerine/vegetable shortening for butter or even using the recipe as a base for my own creation - I have note seen the cookbook but if it is good I am sure it will be appreciated -

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    1. re: weinstein5
      vallevin RE: weinstein5 Nov 3, 2009 11:26 AM

      Per the Wall Street Journal, I understand 99% of the recipes are still very difficult, time intensive and require lots of utensils and bowls.

      Is your friend a real foodie who also enjoys just reading cookbooks? I think that's all I'd do with Ad Hoc at home. As for retrofitting the recipes, don't worry about it.

      1. re: vallevin
        ferret RE: vallevin Nov 3, 2009 12:11 PM

        It's fussy home cooking, not simplified versions of Keller's cuisine, so I'd agree that it's for more serious cooks. It all depends on your intended recipient. I enjoy cookbooks of all kinds, but I don't see casual cooks using this. It also has a fun pig illustration on the cover, so I'd say go for it on that basis alone.

        1. re: ferret
          SarahKC RE: ferret Nov 3, 2009 05:06 PM

          my pal is a foodie and does like to spend a lot of time cooking. I don't know if she enjoys reading cookbooks. The pig on the cover is not an immediate draw since she does keep kosher.

          1. re: SarahKC
            vallevin RE: SarahKC Nov 3, 2009 05:13 PM

            I would recommend any of the Alton Brown cook books if she does not have already, or Cookwise by Shirley Corriher.

            1. re: vallevin
              weinstein5 RE: vallevin Nov 3, 2009 05:14 PM

              If you want specifically kosher cookbooks - Susie Fishbein does a series Kosher by Design - which are very good - http://kosherbydesign.com/

              1. re: weinstein5
                queenscook RE: weinstein5 Nov 3, 2009 07:58 PM

                Others may disagree, but I don't think of Fishbein as really "foodie." Take a look at a thread here called "Interesting Article" (which I started, based on an article I read which was about Fishbein.)

                1. re: queenscook
                  cheesecake17 RE: queenscook Nov 4, 2009 06:22 AM

                  I wouldn't label Susie Fisbein's cookbooks as foodie, but as 'kosher foodie.'

                  1. re: cheesecake17
                    GilaB RE: cheesecake17 Nov 4, 2009 09:40 AM

                    Not even that. What's 'kosher foodie'? To me, kosher is a set of rules that define the areas of my foodie-ness (limiting ingredients and combinations, no exploring out-of-the-way ethnic restaurants, etc.) but doesn't change my interest in exploring new tastes and techniques. Fishbein is watered-down yet fussy, and while I suppose it's more foodie than Spice and Spirit, I wouldn't call it foodie in any absolute sense.

                    1. re: GilaB
                      cheesecake17 RE: GilaB Nov 4, 2009 10:22 AM

                      It's more foodie than other kosher cookbooks. Her presentations are interesting, and while her recipes aren't always to my taste, they're on a higher level than most cookbooks branded to the kosher cook.

                      Maybe now her books are nothing so special- but when Kosher Palette first came out it was so different than anything widely available.

                      1. re: cheesecake17
                        cwsilverberg RE: cheesecake17 Nov 5, 2009 03:39 AM

                        if you want an all around fantastic and interesting Kosher cookbook I find this book By Claudia Roden to be superb and informative.

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                          vallevin RE: cwsilverberg Nov 5, 2009 04:40 AM

                          Fine, if we are posting 'off the beaten path' kosher cookbooks. Here is my hand's down favorite. I have older edition, the spine is broken and patched with duct tape and it just has fantastic recipes.


                          1. re: cwsilverberg
                            timbrel2 RE: cwsilverberg Nov 6, 2009 09:09 AM

                            Totally agree, except it is a book to read as much as to cook with

              2. re: SarahKC
                timbrel2 RE: SarahKC Nov 6, 2009 09:08 AM

                I am kosher and I bought the book for its many hints and technique ideas. For example, I haven't seen such a good explanation of cutting up chicken. I've just started ordering chicken from Kol Foods and they only offer whole chickens so this is useful. There are plenty of recipes that I can "retrofit", I do that all the time. I rarely buy cookbooks these days since I download so much from the web into my NYC database sotware. This one was worth it. And I already own Cookwise. And I, FWIW, don't like Alton Brown. Dined at our Hazzan's house on some Fishbein recipes, they were great but I still didn't buy the book. After all, Thomas Keller is Thomas Keller :-)

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          koshermasterchef RE: SarahKC Nov 5, 2009 03:44 PM

          Though I am a Kosher Chef and though I do have a number of non-kosher cookbooks (more than just a few), I always wonder what message it transmits to give a non-kosher cookbook to someone who is Kosher (as opposed to them buying it for themselves). There is a "non-kosher" book I always give that is very well-received. It is "Vegetarian Cooking for Everyone" by Deborah Madison. I think the one thing that a lot of kosher cooks (and not just kosher cooks) get frustrated and bored with is how to serve vegetables in new and exciting ways. This book is a wonderful resource. I highly recommend it for any cook, no matter how sophisticated.

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            cappucino RE: SarahKC Nov 7, 2009 05:56 PM

            I have heard that Ad Hoc got good reviews. I am interested in something that isn't fussy, but is interesting (I don't need another kosher one now). Is this worth it for me? Also, has anyone tried "Cooking for One" or some title like that?

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              teachermom RE: SarahKC Nov 9, 2009 02:39 AM

              I have Susie Fischbein's "Kosher by Design Entertains" and "Short on Time," and have read through most of the other cookbooks. What bothers me about these is that they are big on presentation but weak on food, and full of recycled recipes from her other books and even recycled blurbs about the recipes. My biggest pet peeve (here's the teacher in me) is the number of grammatical errors on every page. It's as if the editor had no idea about punctuating sentences. I don't think I'm being overly picky here; if I buy a cookbook, I expect it's going to be readable, and I am so offended by the lack of concern for clarity on the part of the publisher. As a foodie, I am looking forward to owning Ad Hoc even if I can't cook most of the recipes because I'm sure it's exceptionally well written and will give me lots of ideas for adaptation, if not merely a great read.

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              1. re: teachermom
                SarahKC RE: teachermom Nov 11, 2009 12:56 PM

                Well, I decided to give Ad Hoc to my husband after getting this recommendation from a friend..

                "Jewish Cooking for All Seasons: Fresh, Flavorful Kosher Recipes for Holidays and Every Day. It combines a seasonal approach with the kosher stuff and the writer was the founding chef of Shallots, the only fancy kosher meat restaurant in Chicago."

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                  queenscook RE: SarahKC Nov 11, 2009 06:46 PM

                  I am very confused. What does the description of "Jewish Cooking for All Seasons . . ." have to do with Ad Hoc? In your original post, you spoke of "getting" Ad Hoc. So in the long run you got it, but then didn't give it to your friend, but your husband instead? Am I just overthinking this?

                  1. re: queenscook
                    vallevin RE: queenscook Nov 11, 2009 07:01 PM

                    no...I was confused too.

                    1. re: vallevin
                      The Cameraman RE: vallevin Nov 12, 2009 05:00 AM

                      Refresh my memory. Ad Hoc is the cookbook with a picture of a pig on it, right?I'd be kind of wary getting it as a gift, too...

                    2. re: queenscook
                      SarahKC RE: queenscook Nov 14, 2009 08:03 AM

                      Sorry to confuse you. but you're not confused at all. I gave Ad Hoc to my husband instead. And gave Jewish Cooking for All Seasons to my friend. Both husband and friend are pleased with their gifts.

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