664157 Mon Nov 02 12:47:38 -0800 2009 30 34 Wine 0 5149794 My palate says pinot noir is b a a c k in style. My pocketbook says fine, but only under $20. I put a shout out to my pinot friends who are hooked on Russian River, Sta Lucia Highlands, Cote d Or, Cote du Bueane -- and they tell me don't bother with pinots under $35. To this I say: B.S. While I haven't spent a lot of time looking at pinot noir over the past few years, I am certain that there are great values to be found in the $14-20 range. To prove the point, I recently found: -Willowbrook (Mendo and Sonoma Coast) -Alcina (Sonoma Coast) -A to Z (Oregon) So I'd like to pose the question to y'all on Chowhound to hear what you have to say...yes or no, pinot under $20 is worth exploring. And bonus points for sharing some names you really like in that price range. Mon Nov 02 12:47:38 -0800 2009 1115082 stalkingwine.com 1 5150455 Maybe not "great", but damn drinkable and food friendly... Acacia Paraiso Row 11 agree about the A to Z from OR Mon Nov 02 16:04:24 -0800 2009 5149794 18150 PolarBear 2 5150634 Should have included Au Bon Climat, just slighty over your mark might be able to find Witness Tree. Edit to add: Found Tolossa on sale the other day for @ $16. Mon Nov 02 17:08:07 -0800 2009 5150455 18150 PolarBear 1 5150514 Lots of great 08 Oregon Pinot Noir's for under $20, you might want to source some at places like Avalon or Oregon Pinot Noir Club 08 Broadley is great NV Acme Winery (2nd label Thomas), I bought for $16.25 A to Z 08, I didn't care for the 07 as much Sharecroppers 08 08 was a better Vintage than 07, lots of 07 juice out there though, hold out for the 08's though. Mon Nov 02 16:27:13 -0800 2009 5149794 148886 duck833 2 5151182 thanks for the tips on the Oregon 08. I have not tried any of them but hear from the 'pinot ho's' that it is the better one. Mon Nov 02 22:28:41 -0800 2009 5150514 1115082 stalkingwine.com 1 5150601 Pali 'Alphabets' Willamette Valley $19 I've also found the A to Z to be a good PN as well. Mon Nov 02 16:57:09 -0800 2009 5149794 11405 Midlife 2 5151077 the best one i have tasted was the 06 stangeland Willamette. I would agree the 08s from Oregon will be good Mon Nov 02 20:55:41 -0800 2009 5150601 292404 redmeatfan 1 5151681 Mark West pinot generally doesn't taste like pinot but the 2007 is nice, especially for $12. Tue Nov 03 07:18:20 -0800 2009 5149794 11117 SteveTimko 2 5152426 I feel the same way -- Mark West Pinot is just a mild, unintense wine. Will never buy it again because it has no personality. That said, it's a perfect wine to serve at a large party for the red fans who think zin and cab are too intense. Tue Nov 03 11:02:11 -0800 2009 5151681 1115082 stalkingwine.com 2 5152691 I like Mark West and it's $8.97 at Total Wine....but I LOVE D'Autrefois (France) Pinot Noir that's $9.99. Tue Nov 03 12:24:57 -0800 2009 5151681 11983 Val 3 5206462 Recently tasted 2007 Latour Valmoissine Pinot Noir...DEFINITELY lovely! Around $11.00. Tue Nov 24 18:31:53 -0800 2009 5152691 11983 Val 1 5176384 07 Mark West Pinot (I forget which bottling) is...decent. Easy to enjoy now and straight forward. It falls apart quickly after a couple of hours though, which is usually a non-issue for at-home dinner quaffing. There might be some batch variation though. Some of Siduri's appellation bottles are good at $20 (2008 Sonoma County). Thu Nov 12 12:27:05 -0800 2009 5149794 11745 Cary 2 5176459 Mark West seems to be one of those tougher calls in that it is a great value (just saw a deal here at $12.98 for their '06 Russian River) but tends to disappoint people with a more educated palate. I think you hit the issue.......... it can be rather 'thin' and short. Certainly worth a try at anything close to that price though. Then again, 'educated palate' is a very relative thing. If someone finds it to their taste it is certainly a keeper. Thu Nov 12 12:52:14 -0800 2009 5176384 11405 Midlife 3 5176483 Mark West generally surprises me on the upside. I've only had a few of the various varietal bottlings but it's generally worth at least the $8-10 purchase price. Finding a drinkable pinot at $10 is pretty tough... Thu Nov 12 12:58:09 -0800 2009 5176459 11745 Cary 1 5177581 stalkingwine.com, "great" is such a subjective concept. We live in the heart of Oregon's pinot noir country, and we know great pinots noirs, but they go for well over $20, I'm afraid. But we DRINK "good" pinot noir all the time, and its is well under $10. Mainly, it is Trapiche -- NOT the "Oak Cask" Trapiche -- pinot noir from Mendoza (Argentina). (The Oak Cask is over-engineered, and the grape gets lost; fortunately, the Oak Cask to avoid is the more expensive of the two Trapiche pinots noirs.) Now, I am not going to tell you that a Trapiche Mendoza pinot noir is going to beat a Willakenzie single-vineyard pinot noir for depth or complexity. But, taken on its own terms, compared to an abstract standard, the Trapiche pinot noir really holds its own, and you will pay less than $10 for a bottle to see for yourself, so your investment will be nil if you do not agree. Thu Nov 12 19:57:28 -0800 2009 5149794 278068 Politeness 2 5178995 Would you have any info on the availability of Trapiche PN in California? DO you buy yours locally or online? I checked Wine-Searcher and all the retailers seem to be in the East. I'd love to give it atry if I could find in Orange County, CA. Anybody???? Fri Nov 13 10:20:04 -0800 2009 5177581 11405 Midlife 3 5179055 Wildman & Sons imports them it seems, so ask any of your local retailers to get you a case. Fri Nov 13 10:37:20 -0800 2009 5178995 11745 Cary 4 5181323 Do you happen to know which SoCal distributor or broker they go through here? I tried to use Wildman's online e-mail "where to buy" function to ask for retailers here, but it came back as undeliverable. I'll try Ralph's market (per politeness' suggestion) and can call Wildman next week if I'm still looking. A drinkable PN under $10 is worth some work. Actually, though I haven't tried it in a few years, Rex Goliath used to have a relatively decent PN at around $7 (before they were bought by Constellation). Then, again, my PN palate has progressed a lot in those years, so that could be problematic. Sat Nov 14 10:25:50 -0800 2009 5179055 11405 Midlife 3 5180824 Midlife, we purchase Trapiche pinot noir here in Oregon at Fred Meyer which, IIRC, bought Von's a few years ago, before it, in turn was purchased by Kroger. So if you have a Von's or Kroger (under whatever name) grocery in your area, you should be able to find it. Trader Joe's carries Trapiche, also, but we have seen only the more expensive and inferior Oak Cask pinot noir there. Sat Nov 14 05:42:14 -0800 2009 5178995 278068 Politeness 4 5181310 Kroger owns Ralph's here, so I'll check. Thanks. I believe it's Safeway that owns Von's. Sat Nov 14 10:20:53 -0800 2009 5180824 11405 Midlife 2 5194928 Just wanted to report back that I found Trapiche PN at a Total Wine & More store in Tustin, CA. I did one of those 'parking lot taste tests' and went back to buy the few additional bottles they had. Expectations for Pinot at $6.49 are not high but this seems to be well worth that price and comparable with others I've had at up to twice the price. Thanks for the tip. Thu Nov 19 15:10:52 -0800 2009 5177581 11405 Midlife 1 5178247 No. Palateable? Maaaaaybe. Great? No. Good? Congratulations on finding Alcina under $20. But short of finding good deals -- I once found a 2005 Tollot-Beau Chorey les Beune for under $20 -- no. Fri Nov 13 06:26:32 -0800 2009 5149794 50041 whiner 1 5179282 http://www.klwines.com/detail.asp?sku=1045378 Fri Nov 13 11:32:30 -0800 2009 5149794 11745 Cary 2 5180403 Hi from Portland. Eola Hills OR 2007, found at Trader Joe's for $14. Definiately "great" for the price! Fri Nov 13 19:42:34 -0800 2009 5179282 13853 Leonardo 1 5183642 I tend to operate at a similar price point and have a hard time with pinot... greatness is tricky, but for what it's worth, I think MacMurray Ranch is a good value and it's pretty easy to find. Sun Nov 15 14:00:11 -0800 2009 5149794 16582 Cate 1 5187020 Has anyone tried any of the pinots sold under the CastleRock label? Any opinions/feedback? Mon Nov 16 17:17:41 -0800 2009 5149794 23776 DavidT 2 5187050 It looks like CastleRock is offering pinots from about 10 different regions, including both the Willamette and Columbia Valleys. Mon Nov 16 17:31:07 -0800 2009 5187020 23776 DavidT 1 5191791 My palate says PN never went out of style. Dollar Bills Only from Patricia Green in Oregon 2008 at $17 is Patty's second label. A to Z as a second label has always been a good drinker. We got spoiled by the 2005 and 2006, though. 2007 is $18. The 2008 will be better; more fruit from a much warmer year. Harvest 2007 was wet, cold and short. Those 2007 wines will show themselves in a few more years and have nice forest floor and spices; more Burgundian in style. 2008s are more immediately approachable and 2009s when they come out will be gangbusters. Buy futures! Put some 2007 back; buy the 2008s to drink now. Stoller JV also a good buy. My favorite 'second' is Tony Soter's North Valley (sourced grapes over which Soter has a great control). Can't be beat for the price. Don't expect the big fruit, big alcohol of the 2006s from any of these years (especially 2007), but 2008 will get closer with it's very long hang time that year. 2009 going to be a tremendous combo of fruit and classic pinot noir qualities. Harvest 2009 started in late September and early October, didn't go as long as 2008 before the rains, but plenty long enough. Wed Nov 18 10:40:42 -0800 2009 5149794 1125571 greenll 1 5192168 There are good PNs for $20 or less, but I don't think there are any "great" ones. Great wines begin in the vineyard, and PN grapes are difficult to grow, and to make great wines, need to be pruned back to keep yield low. That means that the price of great PN grapes is prohibitive for the most part to make great wines. That said, I've bought 2007 PNs from Pali recently on allocation for $19 a bottle, and they are very good. So I guess that gives lie to my argument, however, normally Pali PNs sell for much more. (At least they did last year.) Wed Nov 18 12:46:41 -0800 2009 5149794 11814 dinwiddie 2 5193596 I am still kicking myself for not getting in on that offer. I just totally spaced and forgot. UGH! Also haven't ordered any Loring yet. Just trying to cut back! =( Great rec on the Pali though! -mJ Thu Nov 19 05:22:54 -0800 2009 5192168 192452 njfoodies 1 5196770 Try ERATH at $19. Very good. Not great. But very good. Fri Nov 20 12:11:17 -0800 2009 5149794 1126098 msandes