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10 days and nights on West 81st Street. Would appreciate some local intelligence to eat well

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summerUWS2008 Oct 8, 2009 11:41 PM

Hi,

I'm coming up on a 10 day stay on West 81st in an apartment with a kitchen. I'd prefer eating in than out, but probably won't much feel like cooking for myself beyond reheating some soup.

Eating well to me means fresh, not greasy or fatty, and nicely balanced with respect to spice. I'd very much appreciate knowing if I can currently find in the low W. 80s or high 70s:

-- genuinely good burrittos
-- good hummus, falafel, meze in general
-- good soups
-- good take out salad
-- excellent sushi (I'm not holding my breath)
-- best fresh fruit
-- good espresso

I'm open to anything else you care to recommend, although I don't eat barbecue and no longer eat Chinese food in New York unless it's very well prepared (and can survive travel in a cardboard box). I'm a huge fan of rice and beans in all forms, if any true gems of Cubano-Chinese (no heartburn please!) still survive around there. If there is a very good sit down Indian restaurant in the vicinity, that would be good to know.

If you want to pass along tips about the best times to shop in these places (when they aren't zoos), I'd appreciate it.

Also, which is the best wine store in the vicinity? I'll be needing bottles for gifts.

And who's currently riding high with the best smoked salmon?

Thanks so much! And sorry for so many questions! I used to live at W85th, but it was so long ago, I can't believe anything is still open except H&H and Zabar's, so I much appreciate tips from the current locals.

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    summerUWS2008 Nov 1, 2009 06:34 AM

    Have returned home, and am updating on my UWS stay:

    Most enjoyable fast eats came from Cafe con Leche, a very tasty chicken (but too dry black beans)

    Nice-Matin is really just a pretentious, overpriced coffee shop, but a sit-down meal of salad with smoked trout, apples, celery and walnuts had a lot of satisfying crunch.

    Citarella has surprisingly good bagels -- and surprisingly poor salmon salad. Likewise their hummus is unpleasant. Better was their wild mushroom pate. (H&H bagels actually seemed less fresh and zippy than Citarella).

    Great Burrito is lousy.

    My plaintain omelet and rice and black beans at Caridad was inedible!

    I walked in and right out of Fairway. It was just too much of a zoo.

    In a moment of desperation, I stepped into Ottomanelli's (79th & Ams) hoping to find some great cold cuts or cheese. No luck, but some bright green beans caught my eye, and they were very fresh, crunchy and good!

    I simply spent less time in the immediate neighborhood of the UWS than I imagined I would --- and had more willingness to eat peanut butter or skip meals than I thought I would. But thanks for all the helpful advice!

    -----
    Cafe con Leche
    424 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

    Nice-Matin
    201 W 79th St, New York, NY 10024

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      summerUWS2008 Oct 13, 2009 02:04 PM

      Does anyone have super negative feelings about Hampton Curry or Giant Burrito? I ask because they appear quite close to where I'll be, and I like dosas and burritos.

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        jsmooth995 Oct 13, 2009 07:27 PM

        If you mean Hampton Chutney they are pretty decent IMO, tho a bit pricey for a dosa (dosa + soda = $15 or so.)

        I've never had a good burrito in that immediate area, the closest viable options that come to mind are the aforementioned Noche, and Taqueria y Fonda a few blocks uptown from that.

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          FattyDumplin Oct 13, 2009 07:58 PM

          i like hampton chutney. i usually get their non traditional dosa fililngs, and it's kid friendly, so we always enjoy it. not sure how good as a devliery / takeout since the dosa probably decomposes pretty quickly.

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            summerUWS2008 Oct 14, 2009 12:03 AM

            Thanks. You're right about the decompose factor. I'm staying right around the corner, so maybe if I walk fast.... ;)

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            summerUWS2008 Oct 14, 2009 12:00 AM

            Thanks, yes, I did mean Hampton Chutney. (I also meant *Great* Burrito.) I'm not as fond of Taqueria y Fonda as others are, preferring a more northern Mex cuisine. I'll take a look at Noche. I probably won't be able to resist trying out Great Burrito.

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          FattyDumplin Oct 11, 2009 06:16 PM

          for your morning coffee, i really like Joe on 84th and columbus.

          falafel - a little out of your way but azuri cafe on 51st and 10th is great for falafel and chicken shwarma.

          enjoy!

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            summerUWS2008 Oct 13, 2009 02:03 PM

            Thanks, I'll try joe's. And 51st and 10th is a bit far, but thanks!

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              FattyDumplin Oct 13, 2009 07:58 PM

              they also get their pastries in from doughnut plant and ceci cela, so it's an easy way to try two other places that new yorkers often mention.

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            JMJD Oct 9, 2009 04:48 PM

            Since you prefer to eat at home, I'd suggest testing out the Fairway prepared foods aisle. They make some good (and relatively cheap) salads and soups to go. They are packaged well and the dressings I think are made by them so they are not chemically-tasting. I also think some of the soups are good, though they are more hit and miss -- try the Italian wedding or the chicken noodle. (BTW -- after 8:00 on a weeknight is not bad at Fairway.)

            Also while it's controversial here -- I'd say Kefi on a good night is worth checking out for mezes though it's greek so no falafel.

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              summerUWS2008 Oct 10, 2009 01:53 AM

              Last year I was up by the Harlem Fairway, so I did find many good cold foods to keep around, although I didn't try their soups. So I will! And I very much like greek food, especially skordalia and taramasalata, so I'll look for Kefi. Thanks!

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                Pan Oct 11, 2009 04:09 PM

                Yep. Good mezes suggested Kefi to me. The Turkish restaurant a block north of Kefi (name slips my mind at the moment) also has good mezes.

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                  LNG212 Oct 11, 2009 06:07 PM

                  Zeytin? Columbus and 85th. We've enjoyed brunch there.

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                    Pan Oct 11, 2009 10:18 PM

                    Yes, Zeytin. I've never had brunch there but have had dinner and mezes there.

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                      summerUWS2008 Oct 13, 2009 02:03 PM

                      Thanks!

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                        Pan Oct 13, 2009 09:42 PM

                        You're welcome. I look forward to your eventual reports on your trip.

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                  balini Oct 13, 2009 03:28 PM

                  I just read that Kefi has closed can anyone confirm that?

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                    kelea Oct 13, 2009 04:06 PM

                    Where did you reead this?

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                  fm1963 Oct 9, 2009 01:51 PM

                  For great sushi near you, try Sushi of Gari, 370 Columbus Avenue (bet. 77th & 78th St.).

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                    summerUWS2008 Oct 9, 2009 03:58 PM

                    I don't mind paying for great sushi -- and I suspect I will at Gari (yes?) Do they do take out? Is there a wait some nights for their sushi bar if not?

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                      hcbk0702 Oct 9, 2009 04:41 PM

                      I'd suggest making reservations for the bar. Omakase will probably run over $100 per person.

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                    lbzeats Oct 9, 2009 01:34 PM

                    I know the first 2 posters recommend Barney Greengrass and Zabar's but I don't think you can beat the appetizing at Murray's, B'way and 89th St. The lox is fabulous as is the baked salmon but for the smoked fish of a lifetime, try the sturgeon. Also great herring with onions in cream sauce if you like that kind of thing and I definitely do. The fish is all fresh and beautiful -- moist but not greasy -- and the staff really know the art of slicing it. Yummm. I live in Brooklyn and still make the trip up there for appetizing fairly regularly.

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                      summerUWS2008 Oct 9, 2009 03:57 PM

                      Mmmmmmmmm. Herring! I was just in amsterdam, and it is potent there. I do like mine with cream (and pickled). Thanks.

                    2. LNG212 Oct 9, 2009 12:04 PM

                      I'm a little further north than you are so I'm not sure if some of my recs will suit you.

                      --burritos: we like Noche Mexicana (Amst & 101). I don't know how far south they deliver. They have good, though not fantastic food.
                      --hummus/falafel: second hummus place and Maoz. I love the "toppings" area at Maoz.
                      --fresh fruit: there's always Fairway. But the greenmarkets are better. By far the best and largest greenmarket on the upper west side is Fridays at 97th (Columbus & Amsterdam).
                      --smoked fish: Zabar's & Barney Greengrass.
                      --fresh fish: Citarella.
                      --Flor de Mayo is more "regular" chino-latino and I prefer Caridad (78th & Bway) to it anyway. Malecon is dominican -- DH thinks they have the best chicken around, even better than Pio Pio (94th & Amst, Peruvian) which is also very good.
                      --I'm still partial to H&H bagels though I know other posters will disagree. For excellent croissants and such, try Silver Moon Bakery (Bway at about 104).
                      --wine store: for higher end I would recommend 67 Wine & Spirits. For a good selection at lower price points, I would highly recommend Columbus Wine & Spirits (96th). There's a Best Cellars too (Bway?) but I don't like the way they organize their wines. Oh, and there's one NY winery at the 97th greenmarket.
                      --times to shop: if you are going to Fairway, before 9 am tends to be much less psychosis-inducing; greenmarkets usually "open" at 8 and early is always better; I think WF (at least the one on 97th) opens at 8 also, and the after-work rush is crazy. Zabar's seems to me is always crowded no matter when you go. Weekend mornings at H&H will have a line out the door.

                      I'll echo rteplow's rec of Calle Ocho. There's also Shake Shack now (Columbus & 77th). My favorite wine bar is probably too north of you -- Buceo 95. I'd also recommend B Cafe for Belgian and a nice selection of Belgian beer.

                      Hopefully others will chime in with more recs for you. I hope I've helped.

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                        summerUWS2008 Oct 9, 2009 03:55 PM

                        Thanks! Is your fave greenmarket better than the weekend one up by Columbia?

                        Thanks very much for the intelligence on the wine stores and when to shop.

                        Does the Shake Shack have things other than ice cream and burgers to go?

                        You've helped a great deal!

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                          LNG212 Oct 9, 2009 08:07 PM

                          I went only once to the greenmarket up by Columbia. If I recall the Columbia one correctly, the one at 97th is still much larger (97th has about 20-25 vendors, though it will begin to thin out after Thanksgiving).

                          Yes, the menu at Shake Shack is rather limited - burgers, hot dogs, mushroom "burger", fries, shakes, concretes. I think that might be it.

                          And I think just about everything mentioned by me and by rteplow do delivery. I'm just not sure of the "delivery zone" for each of them.

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                            summerUWS2008 Oct 10, 2009 01:50 AM

                            Many thanks!

                      2. rteplow Oct 9, 2009 07:56 AM

                        Welcome back!

                        Good hummus, etc.: Hummus Place on Amsterdam near 74th. Runner-up: Maoz on Amsterdam between 71 & 72.

                        Fresh fruit: limited choice, but greenmarkets on Columbus & 77 (Sundays, I think) and Broadway & 66 (Thursdays and Saturdays)

                        Espresso: I haven't had their espresso, but there is a nice coffee bar called Joe on Columbus near 85th.

                        Latin/Chinese: Flor de Mayo on Amsterdam near 83rd. Further up, I like the red beans and yellow rice at Malecon on Amsterdam & 97th.

                        Best smoked salmon: Zabar's is still there, and so is Barney Greengrass (Amsterdam/86) and Murray's Sturgeon (Broadway/89)

                        Finally, unasked-for recommendations for restaurants you might want to look into:

                        Bar Bao on 82nd St. bet. Columbus & Amsterdam in the space that was Rain. Asian.
                        Calle Ocho on Columbus near 81st for high-end Latin.

                        Have a great stay.

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                          summerUWS2008 Oct 9, 2009 03:53 PM

                          Thanks for these recs and the welcome back. Last summer, when I was staying near 116th, I was not happy with the greenmarket that sets up in front of the university. Is the one on 77th run by different people?

                          Do your Latin/Chinese recs have take out? (fingers crossed!)

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