658000 Thu Oct 08 08:46:57 -0700 2009 14 8 Midwest 0 5088238 This article in The Atlantic extols the virtues of Deetroit rye bread. The author of the article is also publishing a book called "Save the Deli" http://food.theatlantic.com/behind-the-counter/the-search-for-real-rye-bread.php And props to Sy Ginsberg's fabulous corned beef too. Amazing...we do Jewish rye better than NYC! Thu Oct 08 08:46:57 -0700 2009 109573 coney with everything 1 5088466 He's absolutely right about this. And the delis around Oakland County (I would also add Mudgie's in Detroit) are as good as any I've ever eaten at. Zingerman's used to make an even more hard-core item called chernushka rye, with peppery black seeds. Now they sell it only once in a while. Thu Oct 08 09:54:02 -0700 2009 5088238 13409 Jim M 1 5090580 This is very intesting. My husband was a kid on Long Island 45 years ago and has fond memories of the rye bread. Maybe it wasn't as good as he thought. Maybe it was because he was a kid. When we first moved here we were told the best Jewish deli in our area(western burbs) was Ron's Bagel Deli. We tried it and were in love. They used Ginsberg's corned beef and had fabulous home made rye. I think it was partially baked as well and then finished off at the deli. It was delicious! I believe the owners were former owners of the Bread Basket or associated with it somehow. Sadly, Ron's Bagel Deli is no more:( Fri Oct 09 06:31:26 -0700 2009 5088238 16249 Rheta 2 5096843 We miss Ron's. I haven't tried the place that is now there, The Rye Bread Deli or something like that, but I haven't heard great things about it. The Bread Basket still lives, even if it is a slight haul through construction to get there for those of us in the Western suburbs. Mon Oct 12 08:37:49 -0700 2009 5090580 92112 Fibber McGee 3 5096993 Noticed that the Bread Basket has a branch in Livonia on Middlebelt. Do they replicate the food of the original successfully? I do like the original place. Mon Oct 12 09:29:52 -0700 2009 5096843 13409 Jim M 4 5097382 I noticed that Bread Basket on Grand River and Middle Belt last week. Building looked a little sketchy. There was noone there. I would be interested to hear if the quality is the same as the original place. Never been, just heard of it. Mon Oct 12 11:46:08 -0700 2009 5096993 16249 Rheta 4 5097414 The quality of the original Bread Basket vs branches/offshoots and competitors has been much debated here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/390427. I don't intend to restart that debate. However, you should know that the original and branches (there are 5) do have different owners. I believe the original owners sold that location to some former employees. The branches are owned by Al, of Al's Famous in Royal Oak. Also somehow related to the original owners was Ron of the late lamented Ron's Bagel Deli. What we really need is someone who can draw us a family tree showing deli ownership/history in southeast MI going back, say, 50 years. Volunteers? http://www.alsfamousdeli.com/ http://www.breadbasketdelis.com/ Mon Oct 12 11:56:48 -0700 2009 5096993 24054 gooddog 3 5097426 We really miss Ron's as well. Also haven't tried the place that is there now. Maybe someone on here that has been will see this and will let us know. Mon Oct 12 12:00:52 -0700 2009 5096843 16249 Rheta 1 5096704 There is a great Jewish bakery on Southfield Rd. between 12 and 13 mile. Their rye bread is great. Mon Oct 12 07:45:32 -0700 2009 5088238 155855 MARISKANY 2 5097386 That's good to know. I'll pay them a visit sometime soon. Thanks. Mon Oct 12 11:47:07 -0700 2009 5096704 16249 Rheta 2 5099064 If you mean Zemans, it's closer to 13 Mile (across from the plaza where Penzeys is), and don't expect to visit on Saturday! Tue Oct 13 06:11:09 -0700 2009 5096704 109573 coney with everything 3 5099585 It is Shabbat, after all. Tue Oct 13 09:15:12 -0700 2009 5099064 92112 Fibber McGee 4 5101823 Absolutely. I only mention it because Star Bakery in Oak Park IS open on Saturday, so someone might expect Zemans to be as well. Wed Oct 14 05:12:26 -0700 2009 5099585 109573 coney with everything 5 5101940 Good point. Semi-related, the Star Deli in Southfield, also, seems to be open Saturday. Wed Oct 14 06:20:01 -0700 2009 5101823 92112 Fibber McGee 5 5106973 Star Bakery is our go-to place for pumpernickle, rye and they have a very good whole wheat - which isn't always offered. Less $ than lots of other places, chewy crust, a little bit of sour, coupla sizes, too. Open 7 day s week. Thu Oct 15 19:54:48 -0700 2009 5101823 10844 berkleybabe