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  <id>657444</id>
  <title>Thanksgiving Dinner...One if by Land vs Four Seasons Restaurant?</title>
  <published_at>Tue Oct 06 08:31:02 -0700 2009</published_at>
  <post_count>22</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>18</id>
    <name>Manhattan</name>
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    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>5082569</id>
        <content>
Last year, my mother ended up in the hospital after thanksgiving dinner. So this year my sister and I decided to take over the tradition. Since my place is small and she's in Boston we planned on booking a restaurant in nyc.

I made reservations for both places the day after Thanksgiving. I figured it would be the best days for our Thanksgiving dinner. We can go to the parade on Thanksgiving and the day after we'll have our traditional dinner. Any personal experiences would be appreciated. Thanks!</content>
        <published_at>Tue Oct 06 08:31:02 -0700 2009</published_at>
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        <user>
          <id>1114288</id>
          <name>emmy_nyc</name>
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    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5082750</id>
      <content>If you're looking for a traditional Thanksgiving dinner with turkey and all the trimmings, you're better off dining out ON Thanksgiving Day. There will definitely be upscale restaurants open on that day...what are you looking for in terms of price and atmosphere? Opentable.com will also have a dedicated Thanksgiving list at the end of the month. 

Personally, I find American/New American places that have a "farm to table" or "localvore" philosophy pull it off best (Five Points, Cookshop, Blue Hill, etc.) although my friends raved about Eleven Madison Park's Thanksgiving dinner, too.

See also:
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/569050</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 06 09:55:08 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10936</id>
        <name>kathryn</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5082758</id>
      <content>I haven't been to the Four Seasons in years, but I have been to One if by Land...horrible food, horrible service. I'd suggest you keep looking! Provide a few more criteria or other choices you are considering and you will likely get some good suggestions.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 06 09:56:53 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>110897</id>
        <name>City Kid</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5082791</id>
      <content>It's a shame the poster above had such a bad experience at One if by Land. We eat there at least once a year (have since the '80s) and have nothing bad to say about them. It's also one of the most romantic rooms in New York City.

That being said, comparing Four Seasons and One if by Land is kinda like comparing apples and oranges. If one's never been to the Four Seasons, it's just great. If you've been before, why not try One if by Land?

Thanksgiving-time is all about the charm of the fall season. Of the two choices you've made, One if by Land is going to embrace all that's charming about the season far better than the relatively minimalist Four Seasons.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 06 10:03:17 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082758</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>270888</id>
        <name>shaogo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5082842</id>
      <content>Opinions vary widely, that's what makes CH so interesting, but I had more than one bad experience within the last couple of years at One if By Land (returning at the suggestion of others). We had one dinner and two brunches there that were pretty awful, and service by supercilious waiters who seemed to care less. I have never understood the "romantic" thing there, because the food and service are such key ingredients in romantic ambiance. From what I have read, I don't think my experiences were exceptions.</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 06 10:19:14 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082791</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>110897</id>
        <name>City Kid</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>5082910</id>
      <content>Agree.  Been there twice in the last three or so years, even after changing chefs and its been not good both times.  The food is passable but is very overpriced for what it delivers.

And I for one dont get the romantic vibe.  </content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 06 10:36:13 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082842</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12821</id>
        <name>ESNY</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>5086021</id>
      <content>my opinion on this falls right down the middle- i went there for an anniversary dinner last year and while the meal was quite good and the dining room was very romantic there were loud drunks at the bar within earshot of the dining room and the bathroom was FILTHY, FILTHY, FILTHY.  Normally my interest is 100% invested in the quality of the food but when you seek out a restaurant specifically for it&#8217;s romantic ambience it&#8217;s hard not to be distracted and lose your appetite under those conditions.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Oct 07 12:14:34 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082910</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>50017</id>
        <name>El Tigre</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5087944</id>
      <content>Yes, One if by Land would be cosier but I'm sure the decorations for Thanksgiving will be fab at the Four Seasons.  Tough call!</content>
      <published_at>Thu Oct 08 07:12:01 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082791</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>66022</id>
        <name>bronwen</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5087729</id>
      <content>Thanks everyone for getting back to me:) I may have to pass on One if by Land:( We have a party of eight and the space may be tight, not as roomy as Four Seasons. I'd love to keep the date for Thanksgiving but nothing is available...Yikes! I made reservations a month ago. I read that The Four Seasons may have a special menu the day after Thanksgiving and would serve a full Turkey. I have to call and confirm.

I went to OIBL a few years ago for drinks and it was sooo romantic with the fireplace. But with a large party I"m not sure what to think.

Thanks</content>
      <published_at>Thu Oct 08 05:19:46 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1114288</id>
        <name>emmy_nyc</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5087781</id>
      <content>I've have dined at the Four Seasons a few times in the last couple of years and have always enjoyed it. It's old school, to be sure, but the food is good (the duck carved tableside is great), service has always been excellent in our experience, and the pool room remains an attractive and distinctive space (though I wouldn't call it "romantic"). </content>
      <published_at>Thu Oct 08 05:52:12 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5087729</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12622</id>
        <name>Striver</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5092934</id>
      <content>How was your experience w/ OIBL? Thanks!</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 04:17:47 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5087781</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1114288</id>
        <name>emmy_nyc</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5092931</id>
      <content>I'm having such a hard time now...I just watched a video of the Four Seasons and it seemed really cold, I may have to check it out in person. My family are not the power lunch crowd...my father is hard of hearing, and overall we're loud and happy. Maybe OIBL may have a better ambiance for our personalities. Ughhh! I went online and the day after Thanksgiving is filling up quickly. 

I also looked at Gramercy Tavern</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 04:16:51 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1114288</id>
        <name>emmy_nyc</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5093286</id>
      <content>OIBL has pretty terrible food for the prices they're charging. It's long been sort of a culinary joke in NYC and caters mostly to people looking for a scene, not good food.

For your purposes, I would recommend Gramercy Tavern, Craft, or Blue Hill. All three serve high-end American food using impeccably sourced ingredients and easily blow OIBL out of the water. They're all considerably warmer than Four Seasons in vibe and decor as well.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 08:53:55 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5092931</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>204151</id>
        <name>hcbk0702</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5093403</id>
      <content>I had an amazing dinner at Gramercy Tavern and the space is so beautiful, it would be perfect for Thanksgiving.  Although I don't think you could go wrong with Craft or Blue Hill either!</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 09:54:29 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5093286</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>75862</id>
        <name>newfoodie</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>5093697</id>
      <content>Note that Gramercy Tavern has traditionally been closed ON Thanksgiving Day. Not sure about Craft or Blue Hill, but I'd have some backup plans just in case. And/or call to ask if they know their plans yet. </content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 13:22:48 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5093403</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10936</id>
        <name>kathryn</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>5093870</id>
      <content>both blue hill and gramercy tavern are closed on tday.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 15:08:02 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5093697</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11827</id>
        <name>woofer</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>6</level>
      <id>5093884</id>
      <content>It looks like the OP wants to book the day after Thanksgiving, not on Thanksgiving itself. I'm guessing both Gramcery Tavern and Blue Hill will be open then.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 15:20:29 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5093870</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>204151</id>
        <name>hcbk0702</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>7</level>
      <id>5094317</id>
      <content>True BUT the OP also wants a full turkey with all the trimmings, which most restaurants only serve on actual Thanksgiving Day.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 20:05:42 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5093884</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10936</id>
        <name>kathryn</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5094260</id>
      <content>If you (and the moderators) will allow me to suggest a cab ride over the Brooklyn Bridge, I would recommend the River Caf&#233;.  The view, service and atmosphere are fantastic and the food is quite good.</content>
      <published_at>Sat Oct 10 19:21:51 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12428</id>
        <name>bobjbkln</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5095779</id>
      <content>I came across this restaurant at the Palace Hotel called Gilt...Here are some reviews from Yelp.com, any other CH opinions would be appreciated:)

http://www.yelp.com/biz/gilt-new-york#hrid:2S95iu8F0BBzMvHPJ4gGsA/src:search/query:gilt%20nyc

I remember going to a meeting at the Palace hotel and the courtyard is amazing around the holidays!</content>
      <published_at>Sun Oct 11 17:03:21 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1114288</id>
        <name>emmy_nyc</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5096023</id>
      <content>Gilt was much more interesting when Paul Liebrandt (now at the excellent Corton) was executive chef a few years ago. Christopher Lee, the chef after Liebrandt, left for Aureole last year, and I don't know much about the current chef. Gilt does have a dramatic, opulent dining room to its credit and I've heard the food is very good. However, it's not traditional American, so I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for. Gramercy Tavern, Craft, or Blue Hill would be more appropriate for a Thanksgiving-type meal. In fact, Blue Hill might be the best for this.</content>
      <published_at>Sun Oct 11 19:17:10 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5095779</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>204151</id>
        <name>hcbk0702</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5134864</id>
      <content>Here is a whole article on Serious Eats devoted to eating out on Thanksgiving:

http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2009/10/where-to-eat-out-on-thanksgiving-in-new-york-city-brooklyn-manhattan-menu-special-holiday-dinner.html</content>
      <published_at>Tue Oct 27 11:15:36 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>75862</id>
        <name>newfoodie</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5138256</id>
      <content>I used to go to OIBL all the time (once a month for about a year) and ate at the bar. The food was decent especially when they had a special bar menu. Recently, it's gone downhill. My friend who used to go with me said she went last week and said it was terrible. It surprised and saddened her. I wouldn't recommend it anymore.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Oct 28 14:06:11 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5082569</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1082291</id>
        <name>tastyeating</name>
      </user>
    </post>
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