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Toro, Franklin Cafe, or Orinoco

SaraASR Sep 29, 2009 07:31 PM

Which of these three options would you suggest for a fun yet laid back weekday birthday celebration for a few women in their 20s?

We're adventurous eaters and love fabulous food and cocktails. I understand Franklin Cafe doesn't take reservations, which could be an issue (potentially? On a Monday?).

Please help us; we're Libras and indecisive!

  1. MC Slim JB Sep 29, 2009 07:54 PM

    All have great food and atmosphere, though quite different from one another.

    None takes reservations, which means you very often will have to wait for a table, typically at least 30 minutes, often longer, even on weeknights. All are difficult for groups bigger than six people, though Toro is probably best at accommodating large parties if you don't mind waiting an hour-plus. Orinoco is closed Mondays.

    All have good, reasonably priced wine lists, though the Franklin has the best deals, a fixed markup over retail. Toro has the broadest one. The Franklin and Toro both have excellent cocktail programs (Orinoco South End, the one I think you mean, is beer/wine only, though the Brookline Village location has a full bar); the Franklin recently got a much-needed overhaul via an excellent new bar manager, and has a fine new cocktail list, much more craft-y than before.

    I love the food at all of them: Orinoco does pretty authentic Venezuelan food at a mid-priced fine dining level; the Franklin very reasonably priced New American with a comfort food slant; Toro mostly does tapas with a non-traditional bent and a strong emphasis on cured meats, offal, and charcuterie thanks to chef Jamie Bissonnette. Toro is the most expensive; the other two roughly comparable (no entree over $20). Desserts aren't a long suit anywhere; Toro is the best with its handful of options, Orinoco has only a couple, The Franklin none at all.

    Orinoco is most sedate, a good date place. Toro is the liveliest, often to the point where the crowds and noise are annoying, and the likeliest to rush you through a meal to turn the tables. The Franklin is a dark, hip bar with a few booths (unless you add the newer Southie location, which is bigger and brighter and shinier). I'd give Orinoco the nod for the most attentive, friendliest service.

    Can't make that call for you, but that's my take. I frequent all of them, would be happy with a group of friends at any of them.


    1. barleywino Sep 30, 2009 03:59 AM

      have not been to Orinoco or Franklin but am not a fan of the food at Franklin Southie...hope this helps

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      1. re: barleywino
        vballgal Sep 30, 2009 05:54 AM

        oh no! how come? i'm suppose to try it for the first time this weekend...

        1. re: vballgal
          gyppielou Sep 30, 2009 09:27 PM

          I love Franklin Southie. Fantastic bar staff and an exceptional waiter, I forget their names, but they recognize us and welcome us back the few times we have gone. The food has always pleased, and the tuna tartar is always spot on for taste and pricepoint.

        2. re: barleywino
          mtm7654 Sep 30, 2009 10:49 AM

          Yeah, why do you dislike about Franklin Southie's menu? It's just down the street from me and I'd like to try it at some point.

          1. re: mtm7654
            barleywino Oct 1, 2009 04:29 AM

            the meats i've tried there (steak, ribs, lamb) were tough and overcooked...I agree it's good for drinks though

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          JoeM Sep 30, 2009 10:25 AM

          Toro. Decision made

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          1. re: JoeM
            MC Slim JB Sep 30, 2009 11:47 AM

            I'm guessing you are not a Libra, JoeM.


            1. re: MC Slim JB
              rlove Sep 30, 2009 08:22 PM

              I am a libra and I'd pick Toro! Although, to be fair, I would be happy at any of them.

              My second pick would likely be Orinoco, but the restaurants are so different it is hard to make the call even if we knew all of SaraASR's likes and dislikes.

          2. cassoulady Sep 30, 2009 01:38 PM

            I love Toro, though it can get pretty pricey especially if yoy are drinking a lot. I would opt for Franklin personally. Orinoco does not seem likely enough to me for a group of young women.

            1. Snoop37 Sep 30, 2009 02:18 PM

              I went to Toro with 4 of my roommates for my birthday and we had a great time. Although, I would suggest getting there between 6 and 6:30 if you want to be seated promptly. It gets really crowded.

              1. SaraASR Sep 30, 2009 08:03 PM

                This is HARD! I'm thinking Franklin Cafe. Luckily, my birthday is coming up, so maybe someone will take ME to Toro :)

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