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dimsumgirl Sep 21, 2009 07:35 AM

We are planning a Chinese dinner banquet at a restaurant with a limited selection of wine and beer. The management has agreed to let us bring in our own beer. We have planned a menu that includes lobster with ginger and scallions, peking duck, scallops, asparagus and a variety of other dishes. Any suggestions for a beer that would pair well? TIA.

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    chuckl Sep 28, 2009 10:33 AM

    Congratulations on your successful banquet. For future reference, check out Garrett Oliver's book "The Brewmaster's Table," which discusses which beers go best with what food. Oliver is the beermaster at Brooklyn Brewing Company

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      dimsumgirl Sep 26, 2009 09:24 PM

      Thanks all for your suggestions. We bought lots of wine and sodas. We bought a 12 pack of Sapporo japanese beer in case we had guests who wanted beer. It all went over really well. All of the beer was consumed except for one can. the wine also went (the pinot noir, chardonnay and sauvignon blanc all went over well), I am grateful to the chowhound community for the recos for the wine and the beer, The family party was hugely successful. I should probably report on another thread.

      1. Flaco Sep 26, 2009 07:00 PM

        It might be a tad sweeter than a decade ago but Tsingtao is the obvious choice. Never skunky at least in the three NYC Chinatowns I regularly call home. I like nearly all Asian beers except the ones now made in Canada. Shame on you Japan.

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          MVNYC Sep 30, 2009 10:37 AM

          Why would brewing an industrial lager in Canada over Japan make it any worse? This seems to be one of those beer myths out there.

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            Jim Dorsch Sep 30, 2009 11:17 AM

            I think people just expect a 'Japanese' beer to be made in Japan. Certainly you're right that the beer can be made just as well in Canada. I wonder what Flaco thinks of Kirin, which is brewed in the US for our market.

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              The Professor Oct 2, 2009 11:11 AM

              Interesting thing is that probably 95% of the package stores I've been in still put the Kirin, Fosters, Kingfisher and other "brewed in the USA under license" beers in the 'import' section of the cooler case. Some of them sell for 'import' prices too!

              I would agree that most of these beers are none the worse for being brewed here, although we do have to admit that Miller's handling of Lowenbrau was a real fiasco that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the original.

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              Flaco Oct 1, 2009 12:05 PM

              I'm no exalted beer taster but I definitely noticed a difference when I bought some Sapporo a year or so ago and just went ugh. So much so that I examined the packaging and went aha. I then tried Asahi with similar results, just not that super crisp and clean taste of old, skunky even. Okay, maybe I just got unlucky but I can't pull the trigger again, even when eating udon in the East Village. That said, I've had no problem with Canadian Guiness like some on this board but I usually make black and tans with it so who knows? Like I say, not a super-refined beer guy but I know what I like. Finally, is it me or have the major Canadian players like Molson not deteriorated as well in the last decade or so? I used to like Canadian beer...

          2. moto Sep 24, 2009 12:44 PM

            there's a balanced, crisp pale ale made by Anderson Brewing in Boonville, originally developed by an asian guy working a Sierra Nevada, called Con Rong Chau Tian. It's a dark bottle with gold lettering and design that depicts an angel/spirit figure with a dragon's tail (the creator of the beer conceived it as the union of an angel and mountain dragon). It's very good with a range of asian foods. generally, i prefer ales with their crisp hoppiness relative to lagers with foods that are stir-fried, fried,rich like duck, or somewhat complex in their seasoning because they refresh the palate. the lighter belgian style or real belgian ales also do this nicely of course. cheers

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              chimay5 Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM

              Like Saison with most spicy Asian dishes Thai, Szechuan etc. Matches well with the spice. Agree that Guezes also fit.
              Singha is also good, much lighter flavor profile, course it is a lager, all malt as I understand it.

              1. Josh Sep 23, 2009 01:22 PM

                Funny coincidence, some friends and I just put together a menu of Szechuan fare paired with different beers for a beer dinner.

                The beers in our sampling that worked best were: Belgian witbier, hoppy extra pale ale, ESB, and rauchbier (lager made from smoked malt).

                You'll probably want a couple of different ones, because some of the dishes (for example, stuff with hoisin sauce) will probably pair differently than something spicy and lightly fried.

                You might also want to consider a tart Belgian gueuze like Cantillon or Cuvee Rene.

                1. JohnE O Sep 23, 2009 12:45 PM

                  If you can find it, Harbin is better (IMO) than any other Chinese beer.

                  1. BarmyFotheringayPhipps Sep 21, 2009 03:23 PM

                    I strongly agree with the general consensus that you want to keep it light: a good Chinese banquet is all about the interplay of flavors and you don't want your beer to compete with that.

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                      chuckl Sep 21, 2009 10:49 AM

                      I've been to more Chinese banquets than I can count, and the choices are usually limited to American lagers, Heineken and Tsingtao. I'd go for Trumer Pils (or Victory if you can get it and it fits in your budget) or even a wit beer. You get palate fatigue after all those courses, and I'd go with a light but flavorful session beer to keep your palate fresh. Another option would be a Belgian, but they tend to be pretty high in alcohol.

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                        brentk Sep 21, 2009 09:42 AM

                        I am a big fan of pairing Saisons with Asian cuisine. Hennepin is a particular favorite of mine, if you are looking for a specific recommendation.

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                          Jim Dorsch Sep 21, 2009 12:04 PM

                          Wow, a saison should be just dandy! Saison Dupont would probably work nicely, too.

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                            burntwater Sep 21, 2009 02:27 PM

                            Avril is another great table beer from Brasserie Dupont with a lighter ABV then Saison. It's great for those long dinners.

                            Hitachino makes a ginger beer that would be interesting to try with your lobster course.

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                            Kenji Sep 21, 2009 02:29 PM

                            Hennepin with Chinese food sounds really good. I'll have to try it.

                          3. Naguere Sep 21, 2009 08:26 AM

                            Tsingtao always hits the spot for me.. Elegant and chilly with a German parentage you cannot go wrong.

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                              Jim Dorsch Sep 21, 2009 09:00 AM

                              I haven't had this beer in a long time, but recall it was prone to skunkiness. I would consider Singha or any good pilsner.

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                                LStaff Sep 24, 2009 10:01 AM

                                I recently ordered a Tsingtao by mistake when I really wanted a Singha. I was dissapointed.

                                Singha is one of the better ones in this catagory IMO.

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                                  Insidious Rex Sep 24, 2009 10:44 AM

                                  Lest we forget Beerlao, a standard clean beer from Laos with the inexplicably cult like following...

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                                    MVNYC Sep 30, 2009 10:39 AM

                                    I think Beer Lao has a cult like following because of the obscurity of the country to most Westerners. It is pretty standard(though the dark one is a bit better than avg) for an Asian lager. What seems to give it its cultlike following is the sense of fascination with the exotic, and if you have traveled in the area gives you a sort of attachment to something others have not heard of.

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                                      Kenji Oct 1, 2009 08:40 AM

                                      I definitely prefer the Beer Lao "dark" (actually, it's amber-colored at best). It's got somewhere around 6.5% ABV and tastes pleasant enough, sort of like liquid Rice Chex. If you want malt & or hops, though, you'll have to look elsewhere.

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                                        Jim Dorsch Oct 1, 2009 09:12 AM

                                        Deep amber seems to be typical of 'dark' beers, certainly many Bavarian Dunkels, for example.

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                                    The Professor Sep 30, 2009 05:57 AM

                                    I'm with you on the Singha...a truly under rated gem of a beer.

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                                      Jim Dorsch Sep 30, 2009 06:43 AM

                                      I haven't had Singha in a long time. I notice that they reduced the alcohol, which used to be probably around 6-6.5 IIRC. I don't know how this has affected the flavor. I do recall getting a bit of a buzz drinking it while waiting for a meal.

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                                        Kenji Oct 1, 2009 08:36 AM

                                        Yeah, Singha went from 6 to 5% ABV, and it also went all-malt -- although the beer was sufficiently malty in its 80s incarnation for Jackson to suggest that it probably evolved from a pale bock.

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                                          Jim Dorsch Oct 1, 2009 09:12 AM

                                          Interesting. I recall they used to add cane sugar.

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