652856 Wed Sep 16 15:16:16 -0700 2009 28 37 Australia/New Zealand 0 5035155 We are San Francisco Chowhounds who will be visiting Sydney in a few months for just a couple of days and are looking for help selecting one great dinner. Friends have recommended the following: Quay, Tetsuyas, Aria. Which of these three do you recommend or are there others we should consider. We will be staying at The Four Seasons Hotel. Thanks for any help you can be. Wed Sep 16 15:16:16 -0700 2009 183782 bobpantzer 1 5035230 Fellow SF'er. Tets is supposed to be ridiculous. i was in sydney a couple years ago and mistakenly double booked there and Rockpool. I wound up going to Rockpool and, while a great meal, have regretted it ever since. Wed Sep 16 15:50:47 -0700 2009 5035155 247808 pseudokiwi 1 5035249 Its a difficult question because they are all very good but slightly different. Its a bit like saying which 3* should I go to in Paris. Your starting list is the universally agreed top handful in Sydney (a couple slide in and out of this list, but its good for starters) - which are Marque, Tetsuyas, Quay, Pier and est. Aria is realistically in the second tier but it has a fabulous view. Guillaume at Bennelong used to be top tier but has slipped, probably because the chef is fluffing around opening bistors in casinos. First question: how important is the location and view to your experience? Quay and Pier are very nice views, Marque and Tetsuya are nondescript and you wouldn't know you were in Sydney. Foodwise, Tetsuya and Marque are technically more elaborate but not confronting in a spanish gastro kind of way. I suspect your friends factored in a view as important, hence their shortlist. Wed Sep 16 15:57:57 -0700 2009 5035155 236726 mr_gimlet 2 5036763 Thanks, I always put the food first, but my wife is high on ambience and views so that is important. We're only going to be in Sydney for a short time, so I think we do want a place that feels like Sydney. So, it sounds like our friend's suggestions are good ones. Thu Sep 17 08:49:25 -0700 2009 5035249 183782 bobpantzer 1 5036026 I havent eaten at Quay or Aria, but I thought Tetsuyas was pretty uninspiring when I went there in May. The produce is first-rate, but the dishes aren't as daring or tasty as I'd have expected. If I were going upscale Japanese in Sydney, I'd eat at Yoshii rather than Tetsuyas - http://www.yoshii.com.au/main.html It's also walking distance from the Four Seasons Of the other 'first tier' places in Sydney I've eaten, I also thought Pier was good, but not sensational Seems to me that the moderate level eateries are often a better option Two of the best meals I've had this year were at Bronte Rd Bistro http://www.bronteroadbistro.com Dave Pegrum is formerly of Tetsuyas, BTW Or if you're adamant about a view, North Bondi Italian is pretty amazing too (though they don't take bookings) http://www.idrb.com/northbondi/ Pilu is the other place I've had amazing food with great views - http://www.piluatfreshwater.com.au/index.html I just suspect this whole "Top 50 restaurants" list stuff is political, and a bit of a wank. My eating experiences certainly don't concur with the judges decisions Oh,....and if you're going somewhere with a view, I'd suggest lunch not dinner Wed Sep 16 22:24:37 -0700 2009 5035155 1083902 Onara 2 5036121 You're not the first person I've heard say that about Tetsuya. Certainly the menu doesn't seem to be refreshed very often. Thu Sep 17 00:55:17 -0700 2009 5036026 236726 mr_gimlet 3 5037779 Tetsuya's signature dish of trout is still amazing, as were the Crystal Bay Prawns. The rest of the courses weren't especially memorable however Interestingly, last time I had lunch at Pilu, Tetsuya was at the adjoining table Thu Sep 17 14:11:05 -0700 2009 5036121 1083902 Onara 2 5036124 I agree with the Top 50 comment, eaten in lots of them and had as good at other places. However Mr G's recommendations do tie in with the SMH GFG and Gourmet Traveller recs which are good for Sydney and represent the top end well. Yet to try NBI (back in Sydney now so will) but what about "Icebergs" for the view and good food? Looks like I need to also get to Bronte Road Bistro, I enjoyed Dave's food a lot when he was at Forbes & Burton, and hadn't realised he had moved on. Thu Sep 17 01:05:48 -0700 2009 5036026 64584 PhilD 3 5037771 Icebergs and NBI are owned by the same people I think, though I've not eaten at Icebergs Co-incidentally, I was in San Francisco last month and ate at the following... Zuni - something of an institution from what I can gather. Food was very good, perhaps not hugely memorable Nopa - this place reminded me of Bronte St Bistro, just in terms of value, service, attitude & approach to food. I was impressed Coi - bit of a disappointment. A degustation that was more miss than hit (many seem to be), and staff that seemed to busy to discuss the dishes (except for the female server - who was brilliant) Thu Sep 17 14:07:52 -0700 2009 5036124 1083902 Onara 4 5037917 Glad you liked Zuni and Nopa. Zuni just celebrated it's 20th (maybe 30th) anniversary and is sort of an institution. Their roast chicken with bread salad is the signature dish. Nopa is great but very noisy--excellent pork chop. Haven't been to Coi yet--keep reading about it but reports seem to conflict. Some think it's the greatest thing in San Francisco, others are disappointed. Thu Sep 17 14:55:42 -0700 2009 5037771 183782 bobpantzer 3 5136027 Icebergs is great, much better than you'd expect with such a stunning view Tue Oct 27 18:22:17 -0700 2009 5036124 1118241 MattC 1 5036595 If memorable doesn't necessarily mean extravagant, then I must say the last meal I ate at Chat Thai in downtown Sydney was memorable, wonderful, huge, educational - and surprisingly cheap. Thu Sep 17 07:54:08 -0700 2009 5035155 1110016 kennoath 1 5036767 Thanks, all, you have been very helpful. Appreciate it. Thu Sep 17 08:50:04 -0700 2009 5035155 183782 bobpantzer 1 5038103 I've just been emailed John Lethlean's "50 Great Australian Restaurants" from the Weekend Oz earlier this month He has some interesting things to say, and compiles an eclectic list The basic gyst of it is here... http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26016034-5012694,00.html Email me if you'd like the full article - pb@realsurf.com Thu Sep 17 16:17:31 -0700 2009 5035155 1083902 Onara 2 5038387 ...or click here http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26016271-5012694,00.html#BEROWRA%20WATERS%20INN Thu Sep 17 18:29:10 -0700 2009 5038103 1083902 Onara 3 5038616 Thanks - interesting reading. Good Thai fix at Spice I am last - it is so good to be back...! Thu Sep 17 20:29:28 -0700 2009 5038387 64584 PhilD 4 5038626 oh, are you back in Australia at the moment? let me know if you're visiting Melbourne Thu Sep 17 20:34:07 -0700 2009 5038616 236726 mr_gimlet 5 5042737 Yes, possibly back for good. Looks like I need trip to Melbourne as lots of good food stuff seems available. I will let you know when. Sat Sep 19 16:45:56 -0700 2009 5038626 64584 PhilD 6 5049542 Phil, You have always been very helpful whenever I have posted on here, so I hope this tip comes up trumps. If you visit Melbourne try out Gigibaba, when I was in Perth this guys Lebanese was something of an epiphany, it started off in my top ten eats of all time, but everytime I think back it slowly creeps up the list, helped by an awesome Wyse's 2005 Single Vineyard Donnybrook Chardonnay too! http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24636502-5010800,00.html Tue Sep 22 11:51:59 -0700 2009 5042737 136635 stanleyk 7 5050320 Having been to Eminem in the old days, Gigibaba is a big letdown. It is very expensive nibbles combined with the kind of restaurant arrogance that reminds you all the time of the waitstaffs view that it should be a privilege to be even permitted to enter their doors. The seating is cramped and uncomfortable, and lots of reminders that there are people waiting for your spot. Plus its no reservations, my current Melbourne pet hate. I thought the food was very good, but the rest of it (and the large bill - I've had cheaper tapas meals in Barcelona) doesn't do it for me. I wouldn't recommend it to visitors. Tue Sep 22 15:37:53 -0700 2009 5049542 236726 mr_gimlet 1 5045258 For something definately memorable, see if Berowra Waters Inn suits your needs Fly in and out via Seaplane, starting from Sydney Harbour.... Get some nive views, and some pretty good food Cheers Mon Sep 21 01:25:25 -0700 2009 5035155 126119 Blacken 1 5078883 I'll put a vote in for Tetsuya's. Ate there earlier this year and the evening was seamless and the food wonderful. Sun Oct 04 17:51:37 -0700 2009 5035155 191497 higgy 1 5101221 If you are looking for something a bit cutting edge, then Marque would be quite memorable. For the views, you can't beat Aria or Quay. But the best meal I have had in a very long time is actually at Bistro Ortolan in Leichardt. It is about 15 mins away from the Sydney CBD. I blogged about it on my blog so check it out! http://www.eatshowandtell.com/2009/08/31/bistro-ortolan-leichhardt/ Tue Oct 13 19:00:12 -0700 2009 5035155 1116148 howardt 2 5101669 we weren't so happy with Bistro Ortolan: http://blog.edgeplay.org/2009/10/bistro-ortolan.html If I only had one meal I'd go to Tetsuya or Quay. Tue Oct 13 23:58:35 -0700 2009 5101221 17626 debbieann 3 5103620 Nice review, each to their own but in hindsight I agree with a lot of your comments. There is probably a reason why they have only kept their 1 hat after all. Wed Oct 14 16:25:06 -0700 2009 5101669 1116148 howardt 4 5133734 Certainly a good review, although I must demur from your opinion. A fantastic meal, and great value. Not sure what you mean, Howard, about only keeping one hat. They have had two hats for two years and actually improved their score (up to 16.5 in the SMH 2010 Guide from 16 in 2009) in the last edition. Tue Oct 27 01:10:36 -0700 2009 5103620 1119523 edhawk 1 5110538 We were a party of 4 at Tetsuyers. During the dinner red wine was spilled all over the table & all down the front of my husband's shirt . We were sent to the bar while the table was reset. My husband was offered a replacement shirt..[which he liked better than his own]. At the end of the evening his shirt was returned laundered and pressed. Now that was service. The meal by the way was sensational. It's not cheap but a great experience. Sat Oct 17 12:17:09 -0700 2009 5035155 1117045 oinkinkc 1 5111162 Sydney really specialises in casual dining, especially for lunch. Try The Wharf restaurant at the Sydney Theatre Company on the Harbour in Hickson Rd. Tim Pak Poy is one of our finest chef's and has moved from his fine dining glory days at Claude's (which I also MUST recommend, yet for an intimate evening) to entertaining in a relaxed open space with the water lapping below and the Bridge close enough to touch. It's also only a scenic fifteen minute stroll from The Four Seasons. Sat Oct 17 17:38:02 -0700 2009 5035155 1117138 Timfm 2 5144646 If you are here from SF, you should eat as much laksa as possible and wonder why there is almost no laksa in SF. Sat Oct 31 02:09:09 -0700 2009 5111162 17626 debbieann