650544 Mon Sep 07 00:47:04 -0700 2009 19 57 Western Canada 0 5010371 I am going to start a search for Calgary's finest espresso; at least according to my tastes. I will be hitting up a few key cafés three times and blogging about which one has the most consistently delicious espresso. At this point I plan to go to The Roasterie, Artigiano, Phil & Sebastian, Kawa, DeVille, a few Italian markets and Starbucks. If there are any other cafés I need to check out let me know. Mon Sep 07 00:47:04 -0700 2009 1107263 mstudzinski 1 5010408 You can't leave out Bumpy's or Insomnia. And I would consider cutting down your Italian markets to one. Consider adding a beano or good earth (or both), and possibly higher grounds (popular cafe in kensington) to get a more comprehensive list. Mon Sep 07 03:00:08 -0700 2009 5010371 11206 yen 1 5010743 For reasons I can't figure out I find the espresso at the new Artigiano (Shell Centre) to be better than the first location (Centrium), but as they're only 2 short blocks apart you can check both out. Starbucks? Well if you do include Starbucks do try the places that have the new machines, the lower-profile ones that have the beans receptacle that looks like a flying saucer on top. But I'd skip Starbucks and would avoid Higher Ground (sorry Yen, and welcome back!) by many, many miles. It is HORRIBLE for espresso and for coffee in general. No skill, no care, no "espresso." Click on my name, there is a link to my blog on my profile and under my "places I like" are the area's third-wave coffeehouses. One just-opened and missing from my list is Caffe Crema in the deep south but I haven't been there yet or even seen pics so I can't suggest it, but I'd love to read somebody's review. Mon Sep 07 08:20:30 -0700 2009 5010371 12135 John Manzo 2 5011227 My preferences agree with yours on Higher Ground John (im not a fan either) but it looked to me like the OP was trying to do a wider range of coffee houses to get a more comprehensive view (thus the inclusion of Starbucks, and a few Italian markets), thus the recommendation. You have to admit, it's a popular place :) And it would give people a good reference point how each of the places stack up. OP - you will get huge variation in quality based on the barista themselves. For your own reference, you may want to try writing down who made your drink in each place. It may help you explain some of the variation from visit to visit.Obviously the roast itself will have a big impact as well, but that's usually out of your control :) Mon Sep 07 11:56:32 -0700 2009 5010743 11206 yen 3 5019291 Thank you very much for all your input - it all will be added to the list. I recently heard about Caffe Crema. I am interested to check it out but dread the 45 minute trek I will need to get there. I was considering having my survey be very specific in nature with the baristas' name, time of day, machine and other such aspects. For my own purposes however, I would like to get some different information, in particular who has the best training and consistently the best roast. I hope to visit each venue at different times of day (both peak and non peak), different days of the week and hopefully get different baristas each time but none of these factors are entirely necessary. I don't believe anyone wants to plan out when they go for espresso in order to get the best drink. Whenever you are in the mood, there should be a coffee shop that can create an equally delicious shot. Moreover, beyond the actual taste of the espresso I will be paying attention to the overall experience and environment. For me, it is very important where I drink my coffee. As a result Phil & Sebastian makes a fantastic coffee each time, but the battle to get a table amidst hundreds of families with young children kind of ruins the experience. Therefore I cannot wait for their standalone location. Yen, you are correct in the inclusion of Starbucks. I would like to get the most comprehensive list possible. I don't expect it to rate very highly but there are certain advantages of going to one; such as convenience. In the end I hope to compile a list of espresso in Calgary, highlighting my favorite place but also including the pros and cons of other cafés. Thu Sep 10 09:24:08 -0700 2009 5011227 1107263 mstudzinski 4 5019533 well I can tell you that as formal training goes nobody in town can touch P&S, though Artigiano is also very formalised. Other places do train of course but not with a "curriculum" as well spelled out as P&S. Thu Sep 10 10:31:48 -0700 2009 5019291 12135 John Manzo 4 5020562 As a former barista who has worked for some of the very shops you plan on visiting, I would be very hesitant about getting names from your baristas. If they offer them in small chat, that's probably not a problem, but I think even that should be kept to yourself. In terms of training in the city, P&S has by far the most involved regimen. They are consistently challenging themselves to be better. (Full disclosure, I did work there for 2 summer seasons.) Artigiano, as John points out, would likely come in second in terms of training. I would argue that consistency in best roast is not necessarily the key, but what you should be looking for is who pulls the best shot in terms of the coffee used. Higher end espresso can vary a lot as shops experiment with different beans that are better during certain seasons. With blends changing often, this can result in different tasting espressos, but if pulled with finesse, can all be fantastic. Ah, a tip with P&S and your espresso. Hang around the Clover side of the bar for your espresso until it comes up and drink it right there. If you're trying to find a table, you're losing all your flavorful volatile aromatics! Thu Sep 10 16:15:59 -0700 2009 5019291 87054 peter.v 5 5021325 A bit off topic but I seem to recall a rumour that P&S were going to open a cafe somewhere in Calgary, outside the FM. Is this still happening? Thu Sep 10 23:30:58 -0700 2009 5020562 108590 Major_9000 6 5022006 It was never a rumour. October in Marda Loop and in 2010 in the new part of Chinook Centre. Fri Sep 11 08:49:54 -0700 2009 5021325 12135 John Manzo 7 5022071 I think perhaps Major_9000 is recalling all the time spent waiting while P&S found the right space. It seemed like ages before they announced their plans for Marda Loop and really I don't remember a press release, you only find out from say you JM or Phil & Sebastian directly. P&S's website is under construction but they are updating their blog: http://philsebastian.com/blog/ Fri Sep 11 09:10:27 -0700 2009 5022006 138472 maplesugar 8 5022206 Yes you're right, and the news that P&S had purchased the site that ended up as DeVille a couple of years ago might have made it look like their expansion was a rumour but it never was; they had expansion plans from day 1. In any case we can look forward to Marda Loop opening next month! Fri Sep 11 09:55:14 -0700 2009 5022071 12135 John Manzo 7 5059387 If you find out exact dates please post or better yet start a new thread, I'd love to see these guys do well. Fri Sep 25 22:10:39 -0700 2009 5022006 108590 Major_9000 8 5060025 it'll be on their blog- links at their site www.philsebastian.com Sat Sep 26 10:14:07 -0700 2009 5059387 12135 John Manzo 5 5022075 All very fantastic, I really appreciate your input. I am looking at purchasing an espresso machine for my home (perhaps the Elektra Microcasa a Leva) to get a better feel for pulling a proper shot. I wish I could do this before I did this survey but certain expenses have to come first. It is interesting how much information there is to making a good espresso. This is becoming more complex then my wine obsession. Perhaps most importantly through all of this I will gain a better appreciation for a well skilled barista. Fri Sep 11 09:10:55 -0700 2009 5020562 1107263 mstudzinski 6 5022209 I have an EMCaL; it's my avatar. If you want some advice or just to talk about it, feel free to contact me via my blog or at jfmanzo at gmail dot com. Fri Sep 11 09:56:34 -0700 2009 5022075 12135 John Manzo 1 5020035 I totally defer to the other posters and I'd like to add one small note. Maintenance of the machine makes a noticeable difference even to my palate. I have no idea how you would factor that in though but some conversation about maintenance and cleaning with the not so busy baristas might be interesting. Thu Sep 10 13:00:38 -0700 2009 5010371 15832 sharonanne 1 5020816 This Saturday at Fratello Coffee Roaster is the Prairie part of the Barrista competition and I believe it is open to the public? Maybe a good way to spend an afternoon with some of those Barristas? They should be in top form that day. Thu Sep 10 18:19:08 -0700 2009 5010371 212077 worldwidestuff 1 5020984 I would also add Cafe Rossa in Inglewood / Ramsey and Lady bug Cafe up in the hills to your list! Thu Sep 10 19:37:09 -0700 2009 5010371 82247 CookieGal 2 5021139 That's Caffe Rosso :-) Thu Sep 10 20:58:18 -0700 2009 5020984 12135 John Manzo 3 5021162 ha ha... multitasking mom error! Cheers John! Thu Sep 10 21:24:32 -0700 2009 5021139 82247 CookieGal