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<topic>
  <id>649658</id>
  <title>Pronounciation help-sable</title>
  <published_at>Wed Sep 02 20:04:36 -0700 2009</published_at>
  <post_count>20</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>29</id>
    <name>Not About Food</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>5000858</id>
        <content>As in the crumbly French cookie. And what about pate sablee? I know how to make it,  I just don't know how to say it.</content>
        <published_at>Wed Sep 02 20:04:36 -0700 2009</published_at>
        <parent_id></parent_id>
        <user>
          <id>34801</id>
          <name>shannoninstlouis</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5000969</id>
      <content>Sah-bleh.</content>
      <published_at>Wed Sep 02 21:03:33 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5000858</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>46952</id>
        <name>ChrisL</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5002655</id>
      <content>Yep. Sable = sand in French, which describes the texture of the cookie perfectly.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 12:03:12 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5000969</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>29811</id>
        <name>Buckethead</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5003123</id>
      <content>Sabl&#233; = Sah-blay

P&#226;te sabl&#233;e = Pawt Sah-blay</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 14:22:48 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5000858</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18488</id>
        <name>SnackHappy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5003660</id>
      <content>not agreeing here. Americans change the pronunciation. It is not sah-blay but sa blay the first consonent sounds like tab not tahb.

and pate is pat tay.
both words have the emphasis on the FIRST part of the word not the second</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 18:15:50 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003123</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>22559</id>
        <name>smartie</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5003753</id>
      <content>disagree - p&#226;te should be pat - not pat tay . . . but I do agree about the "a" sound: it's sa not sah.  </content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 19:07:28 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003660</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1093156</id>
        <name>cinnamon girl</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>5003858</id>
      <content>ah didnt realise it was pate not patee in this instance so it's not a liver pate then?

of course it's a cookie - I should read the original post properly next time</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 20:15:00 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003753</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>22559</id>
        <name>smartie</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>5006033</id>
      <content>Yup - you got it smartie. There's so much to read on these boards that we all miss stuff b/c we're just so keen to see it all!  lol

P&#226;te besides being French for pastry of all types (e.g. bris&#233;e, sucr&#233;e, feuteille&#233;), is also the word for pasta. Also p&#226;te - being pastry or pasta or cookies (generally meaning dough), is feminine so there will always be 2 "e"s at the end of the adjective.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Sep 04 16:30:58 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003858</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>1093156</id>
        <name>cinnamon girl</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5003819</id>
      <content>It's not p&#226;t&#233; it's p&#226;te. P&#226;te sabl&#233;e is a shortcrust dough. P&#226;t&#233; is a forcemeat. I have no idea what p&#226;t&#233; sabl&#233; would be.

I'll agree about the first syllable of sabl&#233; being shorter. Sa-blay makes sense. I wasn't emphasizing the first syllable with that spelling, just trying to illustrate the vowel sound. Anyway in French you don't stress one syllable more than another like in English. There is often a slight emphasis on the last syllable, but you never emphasize other parts of words.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 19:49:51 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003660</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18488</id>
        <name>SnackHappy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5003159</id>
      <content>Go to one of these websites, choose a French voice, and type in "sabl&#233;" and "p&#226;te sabl&#233;e". Works pretty well, and for several other languages, too.
http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php
http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 14:37:39 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5000858</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>149250</id>
        <name>DeppityDawg</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5003446</id>
      <content>Oh, that works like a charm!

I'll favourite those for future reference.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 16:43:25 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003159</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18488</id>
        <name>SnackHappy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5003557</id>
      <content>The acapela group has sabl&#233;e as sableee.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 17:28:01 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003159</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>39874</id>
        <name>chowser</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5003822</id>
      <content>I just listened to all the French voices on acapela and they all pronounce it properly.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 19:52:35 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003557</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>18488</id>
        <name>SnackHappy</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>5004308</id>
      <content>The last syllable on sablee isn't pronounced with the ay or even eh, sound, it's eeee on the acapela group's.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Sep 04 05:34:01 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003822</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>39874</id>
        <name>chowser</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>5</level>
      <id>5004904</id>
      <content>This is how my French chef says it.  Sa-blee.</content>
      <published_at>Fri Sep 04 09:37:45 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5004308</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>13150</id>
        <name>babette feasts</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>5005633</id>
      <content>I think the recording is correct, but it may sound like "sablee" because the "ay" sound is not a long drawn-out "bray" ay but a sharper and shorter sound. If you make a face like you're going to say "eee" but then say a quick "ay" instead you should approximate it. The IPA symbol is [e].</content>
      <published_at>Fri Sep 04 13:33:23 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003822</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>165663</id>
        <name>Manybears</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>5003513</id>
      <content>I was hoping I would learn more about smoked fish....</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 17:10:47 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5000858</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>57170</id>
        <name>Veggo</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5003708</id>
      <content>I thought the same dang thing!</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 18:42:37 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003513</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>131001</id>
        <name>c oliver</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>5003747</id>
      <content>a bagel, a shmear and some say-bul est tres magnifique.</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 19:04:50 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003513</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>11290</id>
        <name>jfood</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>5003755</id>
      <content>especially when served with aujus sauce ( in the spirit of proper French) :-)</content>
      <published_at>Thu Sep 03 19:10:11 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003747</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>10668</id>
        <name>johnb</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>5004317</id>
      <content>hey johnb, if it has any jus, i'm not eating it (smoked sable, i mean).  ;-)).</content>
      <published_at>Fri Sep 04 05:44:40 -0700 2009</published_at>
      <parent_id>5003755</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>105717</id>
        <name>alkapal</name>
      </user>
    </post>
  </posts>
</topic>
