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General wine question. I should know this but give me a break I'm 19

dps Aug 18, 2009 06:58 PM

I was cleaning out my car today to load up for college, and found a bottle of white wine (Estancia Monterey Chardonnay 2005) under my seat. It was in a shopping bag, and my mother obviously bought it at the grocery. problem is, I have no idea when. I live in southern Louisiana where the summer heat can get over 100 degrees every day. It could have been there all summer for all I know.

I really hope its ok to drink, because when I found it, it felt like my birthday! What do you think?

  1. goodhealthgourmet Aug 18, 2009 07:33 PM

    doesn't matter if it's been a week or a month - if that wine has been sitting in a closed up car in the Louisiana summer heat, there's no way it's drinkable. toss it.

    besides, isn't the legal drinking age there 21? ;)

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    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
      dps Aug 18, 2009 07:44 PM

      POO. Im still going to open it to make sure.

      and I aint herd nuthin bout no legal drinkin age.

      1. re: dps
        Bill Hunt Sep 29, 2009 09:11 PM

        Back when I was your age, things were different. On the MS Gulf Coast, there were three laws, regarding any alcohol: one could not sell, consume, or purchase any alcohold. Next law read: if one is going to sell, buy or consume any alcohol, they had to be 18 years of age. Last law read: if one is going to sell, buy or consume any alcohol, then a "black market tax" had to be paid to the sheriff, who was the county tax collector. Now, this translated to: if you can walk to the bar, you can buy and drink it.

        Give it a go, but DO have a backup plan, as this one is likely dead. What ever you do, do not judge this wine by this one example.



    2. lynnlato Aug 18, 2009 08:04 PM

      It's probably fried, but hell, it wasn't good wine to begin with so... since you're off to culinary school, perhaps you could cook with it. <wink>

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      1. re: lynnlato
        dps Aug 18, 2009 08:15 PM

        if its spoiled I dont want to cook with it....which it probably is. Oh, well.

        1. re: dps
          lynnlato Aug 20, 2009 07:20 AM

          It was said tongue in cheek.

      2. g
        grantham Aug 19, 2009 11:37 PM


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        1. re: grantham
          invinotheresverde Aug 20, 2009 08:57 PM

          That's a pretty broad statement. I bet the Corton Charlemagne, Montrachet, Puligny Montrachet, Chablis, etc. drinkers would strooooooongly disagree with you.

          1. re: grantham
            pheasantplucker1 Sep 29, 2009 09:06 AM

            Oh please - read this, I can't be bothered to explain (ditto any other Chardonnay bashers)


            dps, I say take a punt!

            1. re: pheasantplucker1
              Politeness Sep 29, 2009 08:11 PM

              pheasantplucker1, we assume that you are disagreeing with grantham on the basis of your perception that grantham is advocating a different variety of white wine. And indeed, that may be the case.

              But there always is the possibility that grantham may be carrying the banner of a more noble and higher cause, a cause that we (too?) espouse.

              The first duty of -any- wine is to be red. (rimshot)

              1. re: Politeness
                Bill Hunt Sep 29, 2009 09:20 PM

                You are as misinformed as is Grantham. It is a pity, but then there are many of your ilk. Fine. That means more Meursault, Corton (white) and Montrachets for me. Seek out your reds, and I love many of them too, but do leave the whites to those, who appreciate them.



                1. re: Politeness
                  carswell Sep 30, 2009 05:52 AM

                  «The first duty of -any- wine is to be red. (rimshot)»

                  We are not amused.

                  1. re: carswell
                    Politeness Sep 30, 2009 10:32 AM

                    Queen Victoria, is that you? (A Grantham was involved in that dialogue, also.)

              2. re: grantham
                Bill Hunt Sep 29, 2009 09:17 PM

                I am not at all certain what you mean by your statement, but I would first surmise that you have never had a good Chardonnay. That is criminal. Considering that it is one of the “noble grapes,” you have missed much in your life.

                Now, it’s been considered to be “in the know” to voice “ABC,.” anything but Chardonnay, or Cabernet - meaning Cabernet Sauvignon. To me, this indicates one, who does not know wines, and only falls easily for pop-culture and writings. These people have never experienced wines, but have read ramblings of others, who have also not experienced wines.

                I disagree with you 100%. You have much to learn, but you must first open your mind to it.


              3. Gussie Finknottle Aug 20, 2009 04:51 AM

                If the cork isn't pushed up out the neck of the bottle it may be OK

                You'll lose nothing by opening it and drinking it. If it tastes good, then carry on, if it doesn't ...

                Wine is a lot more robust than people think, and experiments with leaving wine in very hot cars have shown no noticeable damage.

                But... its your mother's wine so you should return it to her.

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                1. re: Gussie Finknottle
                  maria lorraine Aug 20, 2009 10:03 PM

                  <<You'll lose nothing by opening it and drinking it. If it tastes good, then carry on, if it doesn't ...>>


                2. Bill Hunt Sep 29, 2009 09:06 PM

                  It will not kill you, but is probaly long since gone. I grew up in those environs, so I know what a Deep South Summer is like.

                  I now live in AZ, and I know heat, though with less humidity. I bring styro-shippers about 6 mos. a year, when I go to buy/pickup any wines.

                  Look at the capsule, that metallic foil cover over the top of the bottle. Is it pushed up? Is the cork above the top of the lip of the bottel? These are quick signs of possible heat damage. Is there any sticky substance oozing from beneath the capsule? Again, a sign of heat damage.

                  As I said, it will not kill you, but is most probably "maderized," "cooked." Chill it to about 50F and open it. Have a backup wine, as this will most likely be long gone.

                  General guess, is that this wine has been there for at least two years +/-. While a nice Chard, in its youth, it would probably not be that great, even if cellared properly. Some whites do age well, but this one might not be one of those, under the best of conditions.

                  Besides, the LA mosquitos have probably tapped the wine... [Grin]

                  Try it, but DO have a backup handy.



                  1. andytee Sep 30, 2009 11:18 AM

                    Poor kid, stop beating yourself up with the "I should know this" crap. Last I checked the high schools weren't offering advanced classes in Wine Esoterica so I don't think you missed the lecture.

                    Dispensing with the obvious about what is legal (drinking age) and right (your Mother's purchase), the wine in that bottle is not very likely to kill you or make you sick, and probably still contains enough alcohol to get you drunk, but there is very little chance that it will taste good, or even decent, and very little chance it will further your appreciation of wine.

                    Best of luck. Thanks for the reminder to always look under the seats!

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