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2sleepy Aug 15, 2009 10:22 AM

I have a 2 year old Kenmore Elite range that I have been very happy with, it has the bridge burner & a warming drawer. The model has been discontinued. A service tech came to my house and physically damaged the range, so Sears is giving me a credit for a new range, I can get any range that Sears sells & pay the $$ difference over $2400. I have looked at both the GE Cafe & the Electrolux. I need to let Sears know which range I want within a fairly short time frame, so any comments would be appreciated.

I love the Electrolux oven racks, the oven racks on the GE Cafe I looked at didn't pull out or push back in very easily, but it might have been the way it was assembled.

The features I really need are- a high power burner 17btu or more, a large range top that will accommodate at least a 13" pan and a large stockpot at the same time. I don't care much for using a griddle on the range, I have a separate electric grill, but the 5th burner on the GE Cafe seems that it might be useful for making gravy from drippings in a roasting pan. I need a warming drawer of some type (variable temperature preferred) and a good gas oven that will cook evenly. I bake at least twice a week, and cook all meals from scratch, so whatever range I get will get a serious workout.

The other concern that I have is that the only place I have for a microwave is over the range, and if possible I would like to replace my old one with one of the same brand as the range I get, I heard that the Electrolux microwave sucks really bad, but I know nothing about the GE Cafe over range microwave.

Thanks in advance.

  1. flourgirl Aug 16, 2009 07:44 AM

    I can't help with the Electrolux range or the GE microwave but I've owned & used a GE Cafe Gas Range for about a year now.

    Yes, you can put a 13" pan and a large stockpot on the range at the same time. It has the BTUs you're looking for. I haven't had any problems with the oven racks. They're not on ball bearings but I find that mine, at least, slide out and back in very easily.

    I don't really use the middle burner very often - I just liked the continuous grates. But the griddle is a nice option (although I tend to use my cast iron pans or electric griddles more than the griddle that comes with the range) and it does work for making gravy like you said. But only if you weren't really planning on having any other pans on the range at the same time.

    The warming drawer is a nice extra. I even use it to cook stuff once in a while - but it IS 110V, takes a long time to heat up and has difficulty holding it's temp when the drawer is opened to put pans in. (I try not to use it for very temp sensitive baked goods etc.)

    As far as the main oven goes, it works great for all cooking applications like roasting, braising etc. It's pretty roomy inside too, which was very important to me. I've been a little less happy with the results on my baked goods. I had a cheapo maytag before this, also all gas, and I feel like I got better baking results with that range than this one. But I've been using the convection feature more and playing around with different temps and baking times and things are improving - but I just didn't have to do this much work to get better results with the old range. (I had to dump the old range because the burners got all rusted out and it was enamel and just a bear to keep clean besides.)

    I would have gone for the duel fuel if I could have but there were several things stopping me - the additional cost of the range itself, the need to add a 220V outlet behind the range (additional cost) and the fact that it would have almost certainly forced the upgrade to our circuit board that we know we need to do but just couldn't swing yet - too many other necessary renovations had to be done first - which we are just finally getting done now.)

    One more thing - if you choose this range I highly recommend buying the optional accessory that goes on the back of the range. It really stops stuff from falling behind the range yet doesn't interfere at all with the use of the back burners.

    Good luck!

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      2sleepy Aug 16, 2009 08:06 PM

      thanks for the comprehensive review, that helps alot

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      ferret Aug 16, 2009 10:39 AM

      All I know about Electrolux is that my relatives in Sweden avoid it like the plague.

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        Allice98 Aug 19, 2009 05:27 AM

        I have the gas Electrolux - the one with the two ovens and I have to tell you that I love it. I haven't had as much success using three racks to bake cookies but aside from that it has been wonderful (cookies on bottom rack bake WAY to quickly so I just use two racks for such quick timed things). If you get the one with two ovens vs one oven and warming drawer make sure that you check out the bottom drawer. You can only use shallow pans in the bottom oven. I have only used it once or twice but it is nice to have the feature available to you. I also wanted that range because compared against the other gas model this one had a few more features that I wanted as well. Stove top in pretty roomy for my personal needs and i have been happy with it.

        I do not however have the microwave to go over it. We bought the range in December and used it for ~6 months before deciding to redo the kitchen and are now in the middle of kitchen remodel. I just bought a GE Convection oven for above the range (our first over range model) http://products.geappliances.com/Appl...

        We HAVE seen this microwave over our exact range in a store and they go nicely together in our humble opinions from this house. It was my husband that doesn't cook that was worried about what it would look like over the range - I was personally more worried about how it would function than look! It should be installed next week and I can't tell you how excited I am! It will be the only appliance in the kitchen currently since all other appliances are in other rooms awaiting the arrival of a counter top.

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          Allice98 Aug 19, 2009 01:22 PM

          BTW I should mention that this oven makes THE BEST convection roasted vegetables ever. I have gotten my husband to eat a few things he would never eat prior due to the oven - he now adores roasted butternut squash - something he wouldn't touch with a pole before.

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            2sleepy Aug 19, 2009 07:03 PM

            thanks for the comprehensive review, we are getting the Electrolux, it will be here Monday. We are getting the the dual fuel with the bottom oven/warmer. It looks like a quality appliance and I simply fell in love with the oven racks. I was torn between the all gas and the dual fuel, but the dual fuel was the only model that had the bottom drawer that will function as an oven as well as a warming drawer. I didn't get the Electrolux over the range microwave, it doesn't have a turntable and I can't fathom how it can work well without one, we are getting a panasonic microwave, we decided on that because it has a 420 CFM fan rather than the typical 300 CFM.

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              JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Aug 19, 2009 08:24 PM

              If it's anything like the Electrolux electric range I recently got, you are going to fall in LOVE with it. The Wave-Touch control panel still makes me smile every time I turn it on. I could have gone with gas, but I found out the electric gets hotter than any gas stove I've ever used, and it doesn't throw nearly as much heat into the room (which when you live in Phoenix is a prime concern). When I move, that stove is coming with me.

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                Allice98 Aug 20, 2009 02:55 AM

                Really confused - the IS an ALL gas model wih bottom oven/arming drawer. The Dual fuel is not the only model. If you want all gas you should get it. I can send you a link if you haven't found what you want. It is what I have though.

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                  2sleepy Aug 20, 2009 03:36 PM

                  I wonder if it was discontinued? I went to 3 stores, and all of the gas models only had a warming drawer, I even looked at the manual and for the gas mode & the dual fuel, the gas range manual had instructions on how to turn on/off the 'warmer drawer', while for the dual fuel it referred to it as the lower oven and had directions for using it

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                    Allice98 Aug 20, 2009 03:57 PM

                    I think that if you want the gas you should just cancel the order right away and order what you want. The model number is EW3LGF65GS

                    Website link it: http://www.electroluxappliances.com/n...

                    absolutly no point in pay THAT much for an appliance that you aren't fully happy with. That would be nuts! This was a HUGE splurge for me but I do a lot of baking and I really wanted to get the oven that I wanted.

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                      2sleepy Aug 20, 2009 05:18 PM

                      thanks! I am not sure if I can still cancel but the store gave me 30 days to return it if I'm not happy.

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                        EWSflash Oct 22, 2010 07:21 AM

                        When we were looking for a wall oven to replace the old gas one, we hardly saw gas ovens at all. I asked why, and the salesman said "because to be honest, the electic ovens work far better than gas ones". We were in the process of moving and I never did get to try the new gas one, but when we got a new range we got the gas cooktop with the electric oven, and I overcooked the oven stuff for a good six months because I just couldn't believe how much less time everything needed in the new one! It took the same amount of time specified in recipes! Of course the old oven was nearly fifty years old and falling apart, but wow- I'm a believer in gas cooktops and electric ovens, whatever the brand. Ours is a Kenmore, BTW.

          2. flourgirl Aug 20, 2009 03:18 PM

            Hi there 2sleepy! I'm glad we were able to help.

            I know this is probably a little late for you - and probably wouldn't make any difference to you, anyway but maybe it will to someone else who reads this thread - but I forgot to add one important reason why I didn't go for duel fuel - I HATE electric broilers. And even though I'm a serious home baker, I'm also a fairly serious cook and I use my broiler a lot. (Which I did last night which is what reminded me about this...) So in the end I couldn't justify all the extra cost etc., for something that I wasn't even going to be 100% happy with (that being an electric oven.)

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              2sleepy Aug 20, 2009 03:40 PM

              I considered that and the lack of a gas broiler might end up giving me heartburn..I guess I will find out lol

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                Afar Jan 9, 2010 10:23 AM

                I was told yesterday by a Sears sales associate that the GE Cafe is made by Electrolux. I wonder just how desirable dual fuel is over all gas?

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                  KaimukiMan Jan 9, 2010 06:47 PM

                  dual fuel is much much better than all gas. gas is not nearly as stable for oven temperature.

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                    Afar Jan 10, 2010 08:26 AM

                    Oh my, had a brain cramp yesterday. I meant to say Electrolux is making the premium Kenmore range. Thank you Kman, so if I'm replacing a JenAir electric stove with a gas top, the best cooking options will be with the duel fuel because my electric service is in place.

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              dmd_kc Jan 10, 2010 09:12 PM

              Probably too late for you, but I went with the Electrolux in this same choice, and I couldn't be happier.

              I'm sure the GE is a wonderful range, as I had one a couple years ago that was a dream. But in this instance, the Electrolux's oven racks on ball-bearings are a HUGE HUGE advantage.

              But perhaps the most important is having the fifth, center burner be a regular circular one instead of the oval is also many times more useful than I'd ever had expected.

              Those big oblong burners are great when you want a griddle or when you're making gravy in a roasting pan -- but they're literally useless for any other vessel.

              For example, you can keep your small pot of stock for risotto simmering as close as possible to your risotto pan to minimize spillage. On the GE, you can't put it on the center burner.

              I love my Electrolux. Wouldn't trade it for any other brand at this point.

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                flourgirl Jan 13, 2010 09:52 AM

                What I don't like about the Electrolux (and almost ALL free-standing ranges for that matter) is the overhanging panel on the back. I HATED that on my last range because I found that it really interfered with my use of the back burners. That's one of the things I love about the GE Cafe. No overhanging back panel. There is NO panel in the back - unless you choose to purchase the optional accessory - which is very low profile, doesn't overhang at all and really just serves to help contain messes from getting behind the stove.

                And p.s.? I've been baking up a storm lately and haven't had any problems with baking in the gas oven. Everything has come out just fine. And the gas broiler works great.

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                  Afar Jan 13, 2010 04:45 PM

                  We have a couple of months before we commit. We're told in February and March all new model ranges will hit the display floors. Our focus now is on the Wolf (not convinced its advantages are worth the extra price), GE Cafe and GE Profile - 30". The new choice will replace a twenty year old JenAir (we hate it) so the wiring is in place if there are indeed big advantages to an electric oven over gas. Thanks, flourgirl.

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                    dmd_kc Jun 14, 2010 07:48 AM

                    You mean the back panel that sticks up at the back with your controls? Why don't you check out the built-in models, such as this one?

                    http://www.electroluxappliances.com/k...

                    They're not really that custom an install job. I love my Electrolux pretty much without reservation.

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                      DeborahJ Aug 24, 2012 06:36 AM

                      This was really helpful to us as we are choosing a range for our island and so far we were both leaning towards the Electrolux. That it wouldn't be flat because of the back, thanks so much for taking the time!

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                    rangecrazy Jun 13, 2010 06:32 PM

                    I was reading all your comments, do you have an Electrolux dual fuel?? i'm considering it and would like some input,
                    Help, Help, help......

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                      Afar Jun 13, 2010 06:47 PM

                      We never pulled the trigger. Our plans for the kitchen re-do hit limbo.

                  3. Mawrter Jan 19, 2010 07:09 AM

                    Really appreciate the info in this thread as I'm trying to decide on a stove now too. Thanks, all!

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                      redgirl Jun 13, 2010 07:14 PM

                      to bump this up, we're in the process of picking our appliances for a kitchen gut - i have an old 4 burner gas range that is spread out on a 36" top (with a teeny tiny oven and a side for holiding pots). i'm stuck between a wolf - but it's so much $ - and an electrolux and a capital - all 30" all gas. my husband wants me to low-end it with the bosch free standing 30" gas range but i don't think it will give me the features i want. any new thoughts?

                    2. jenscats5 Jul 25, 2010 12:59 PM

                      Glad to see this bumped up.....we're looking at ranges as well and I'm very interested in the GE Cafe all-gas range.....any other thoughts on the product?

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                        flourgirl Jul 26, 2010 05:53 AM

                        I'm almost two years into my GE Cafe range and I'm still very happy with it. The only problem I had (which I posted about on another thread) was that the collar around the knobs has sort of melted. The knobs are metal, but the collars are metalllic tape and don't hold up at all to the heat from the oven. Of course, this also implies that the knobs themselves can get pretty hot - and they do. This is definitely a design flaw. I haven't had the knobs heat to the point where I was close to burning myself, but I have read that other people have claimed to.

                        If you do decide on the GE Cafe, I would look into the knob issue and see if they have taken any steps to address the issue. At the very least, I would insist on the dealer giving you an extra set of the knob collars as part of the deal. I got an extra set for free from my dealer after I told him aobut the melting collars. The range was just out of warranty (of course) but the dealer is a local business and he was willing to help me out.

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                          jenscats5 Jul 27, 2010 09:56 AM

                          Thanks for the tip on the knobs....I'm definitely going back to the dealer (they are local as well) to check that the knobs aren't plastic (which I've heard they used to be & have melted) and i will ask about the collars as well.

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                            tall sarah Oct 21, 2010 02:21 PM

                            I've been using my GE Cafe for just over 2 years now & haven't experienced any issues with the knobs or collars. I use the oven at 550 deg several times a month & use the stove top at the same time & the knobs are fine.

                            One thing I don't love is when the oven reaches 425 deg. the fan starts blowing. Sometimes it's a really noisy rattling fan sound, other times it's just a fan. And that fan blows across the stove top, altering the flames. I have to do a bit of pan shuffling if I don't plan ahead for the fan & it's a bit annoying. Esp. if I'm doing a high heat sear or using the wok.

                            The convection bake doesn't do much for me either. It's been a disappointing feature. I was hoping my baking times would be reduced by a bit, but I've found that all it does is mean I don't need to rotate cookie sheets. My pound cake still takes 1 hour & 20-25 minutes to get fully baked. Oh well.

                            For the stove top, the high heat is great- made canning much faster this summer when I didn't have to wait for forever for the water to boil. And the low simmer makes chicken stock really easy & excellent. I get a good sear on meat & the wok fits nicely. The center griddle stays on almost all the time for me. My kiddos love pancakes (and so do I!)

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                              flourgirl Oct 22, 2010 06:55 AM

                              I've been thinking about this - and I think the melting may have occurred when I was using the broiler - because I have a habit of leaving the door open so I don't forget the broiler is on and creamate whatever it is I'm broiling. But I do know that I'm not the only one who has experienced this - there are lots of complaints of melting collars on this oven on the internet.

                              As for the convection, I have found, especially when baking, that I absolutely cannot reduce the temperature. Things don't bake right. But the time is usually reduced, just not by much, say 10-15 minutes off of a recipe that would normally take an hour.

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                                EWSflash Oct 22, 2010 07:29 AM

                                we got the GE Profile (not the kenmore like I said above- brain cramp. Sorry. Anyway, yes, the overhang on the back really bugs the hell out of me- if it was higher up or not there it would be much much better.

                                I don't care for the griddle. It's funny-shaped, the burner doesn't heat evenly all the way around, and it's aluminum, which is just goofy since the rest of the range top grill work is cast iron.

                                It still beats every other range i've ever had, especially the oven!

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                                  JohnOort Dec 3, 2010 10:26 AM

                                  We have had nothing but success with the convection on our Cafe gas oven. You type in the temperature you normally use then it sets it down to the proper temp for convection. The time you cook is therefore the same as for normal bake.

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                                    flourgirl Dec 4, 2010 05:17 AM

                                    In my experience, the reduced temperature often adversely affects my baked goods. I use the convection (although not for everything) and I set the convection temp for the same temp as the recipe suggests and it generally gets done faster.

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                              surfermom Aug 5, 2010 08:00 PM

                              I'm in the same boat. Here are my pros and cons for the 2 (slide in/built in):
                              Cons for ge cafe:
                              food can slide between counter and cook top (actually a freestanding range)
                              possible hot or melting knobs/ tape around knobs
                              Cons for Electrolux built in:
                              less space in oven
                              warmer drawer is clunky and not a 2nd oven like GE Cafe
                              groovy ball bearing racks are hard to adjust when hot and in the middle of cooking
                              have to remove said racks to self-clean
                              Pros for GE Cafe:
                              Large oven space
                              2nd oven/warmning drawer is sturdy
                              racks can stay in for self cleaning
                              Pros for Electrolux Built in:
                              Beautiful blue inside
                              Beautiful ramp up Halogen interior lights
                              Awesome wave touch control panel
                              Aaaah, it really is 6 of one and half dozen of the other. If Electrolux would only make that warming drawer a 2nd oven in the slide in model, then I'd be sold.

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                                shoshi24 Oct 19, 2010 05:54 PM

                                Electrolux does make the slide in model dual fuel with second oven! It's the one I really want, but may have some installation issues because its specs call for extra clearance between side of the oven and cabinet doors/drawers. So I am now considering the GE Cafe as an alternative, as well as the freestanding Electrolux. Anybody have the freestanding Electrolux, and an opinion about the oven controls being on the back panel?

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                                  wigglesandmax Dec 3, 2010 05:31 AM

                                  My husband and I just went range shopping yesterday and ended up with the same two choice, the GE Cafe gas, or the Electrolux dual fuel (to get the second oven). We went to a second store where a salesman told us that the Electrolux ranges are poor quality, just a fancy version of a Fridgedaire and not to purchase one. I'm not sure how much of that is truth and how much is because that particular store does not carry Electrolux.

                                  For those of you that have the GE Cafe, does anyone have the dual fuel model? I'm wondering if that has the same fan issues when the oven reaches a certain temp.

                                  I'm also torn because the Electrolux dual fuel model that I looked at did not have the 5th burner. Then again, I don't know how often I could actually fit 5 pots on the stove at one time, if I had the 5th burner.

                                  I appreciate all of your comments!

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                                  VivaLaFrance Dec 29, 2010 02:10 AM

                                  Hello all!
                                  Have just purchased a GE Cafe Gas Range, but delivery won't be for some time. Am hearing from some comments on the 'net, that the lower oven is only good as a warming drawer. According to the specs, a 110V power source is required. Salesperson said it was for the convection fan only. Now am hearing that it also runs the lower oven. Please, could you let me know if you have had good success baking in the lower oven. I would like to know if I can use it to prepare an actual meal, as that is the intended purpose for buying a double oven range. I am confused as some are saying that the lower oven is not gas at all, but electric. We are a small family, and want to use the bottom to bake pies and lasagna, etc, not just warm stuff up.
                                  HELP!

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                                    flourgirl Dec 29, 2010 04:58 AM

                                    Yes, the lower oven is electric, not gas. I've used it to bake stuff like buns etc. There isn't a lot of clearance but it should be OK for things like lasagne. Not so sure about pie - you may be disappointed with the results. I think the main issue is that because it's 110V with a relatively large interior (as opposed to a counter top oven) it has trouble holding it's temperature so for example, if you have something baking in there and you open the door it will lose a lot of heat & it takes a long time to recover. I have a counter top Breville that I use much more often as a second oven.

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                                      JohnOort Dec 29, 2010 10:43 AM

                                      Also important to know is that that heating element takes a lot of current, more than a regular gas oven does just for the electronics and fan. You'll want to check what else you have on that household circuit to make sure you don't trip it while using the oven.

                                      Now, the good news: On Christmas day, we had the gas oven running, and rewarmed baked mac-n-cheese in the lower oven. I set it to 350 and it warmed up the dish just fine, making the cheese nice and bubbly. We also had a wall oven running, making dinner rolls so we had three ovens going at once!!!! Well, anyway. I have found the Cafe to be the best cooking thing I have ever owned and love it to death. You won't be disappointed, if you remember that that lower oven may lose a lot of heat everytime you open it, so time your cooking well, and I'd keep pastry cooking to the big oven. Lasagna should be fine in the lower, as irregular heating won't affect it.

                                      Don't let the naysayers affect you. I have a blast cooking on this stove, with the griddle, the burners, the oven both in bake and convection, and the lower oven too. I'm 100% glad I bought it.

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                                          jenscats5 Dec 30, 2010 02:06 PM

                                          I'm also really liking it so far.......I did read a good amount of negative reviews which made me nervous, but so far I haven't had any problems with it....and they've changed the knobs since as well....

                                          Used the griddle for the first time over the holiday and didn't seem to have the problems with it I've read on other reviews elsewhere with it not cooking or heating things....

                                  2. jenscats5 Dec 4, 2010 08:47 AM

                                    I finally made up my mind & ordered the all-gas GE Cafe range. It will be delivered next Friday so I'll post up a report when I get it!

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