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Where to Eat Next? Marea or Harbour? Bar at Scarpetta? Someplace Else?

financialdistrictresident Aug 5, 2009 12:32 PM

Will be in the city next week for a meeting then heading back to Saratoga with a friend. Want to get my NYC food fix while I'm in town. My favorite restaurant is Falai. Some recent dining experiences I have really enjoyed:

*Aldea
*Graffiti (except for the space)

Been to Corton, Degustation, Locanda Verde (lunch), EMP (lunch), Robuchon, etc.

I am looking for really good food. Food that surprises. Counter/bar seating would be great. Not interested in Greek this time. Not into Blue Hill, etc. Prefer midtown, downtown. Not into a scene or a challenging reservation process. Only caveat is I don't eat red meat (the Hearth pig roast on Tuesday won't work for me :)

Thanks in advance for your help. I will report back.

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    planetjess Aug 5, 2009 12:55 PM

    Was (maybe still will) going to post that--I just had a truly fantastic meal at SHO Shaun Hergatt downtown on Broad Street. $30/3 course prix fixe for lunch is now, to me, equal to JG for the best lunch deal in town. I just experienced JG/EMP level service and yes, surprising food. Not a lot of people sitting at the bar, but they do have one. They're on opentable. Ate no red meat while I was there. I did have a gazpacho, a barley risotto and a peach soup for dessert (with additional little treats). My dining companion had a bacon-wrapped poussin, with the same app/dessert as me. Everything was top of the line, delicate in flavor, composed and complex.

    I'm worried for this place, since I think concept/timing were not best matched for its launch, and I'd really like to see it succeed. It is, to me, currently matchless in terms of a fine-dining option in the neighborhood.

    p.s.--I am also one of Scarpetta's biggest fans, so I'd never pooh-pooh the idea of eating there (short rib/polenta/spaghetti/capretto/budino, or Simon has also posted his completely different perfect meal), but am thinking SHO may be more up your alley for this particular request based on Falai/Degustation/Robuchon/"surprising" axis.

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      financialdistrictresident Aug 5, 2009 01:34 PM

      Thanks planetjess. Sounds like it might be perfect. And I believe they are open for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Agree their timing and size may prove challenging. Nothing much on this Board so you might want to post a report based on your experience.

    2. goodhealthgourmet Aug 5, 2009 01:00 PM

      i vote for Marea, but that's because it's on my short list of places i *really* want to get to.

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        financialdistrictresident Aug 5, 2009 01:34 PM

        I need to do a search of this Board and look at Marea's menu.

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          goodhealthgourmet Aug 5, 2009 02:40 PM

          you can download the menu from their website:

          http://www.marea-nyc.com/home.html

          i was seriously salivating the first time i read it. everything sounded good to me!

          1. re: goodhealthgourmet
            financialdistrictresident Aug 5, 2009 02:43 PM

            Thanks. Didn't know Convivio was a sister restaurant.

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          beaulieu Aug 6, 2009 07:22 AM

          You can see that the only one recommending Marea is someone who hasn't been there yet.

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            goodhealthgourmet Aug 11, 2009 03:49 PM

            it wasn't a recommendation, it was a suggested option to consider - there's a difference.

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          kathryn Aug 5, 2009 03:12 PM

          Huh, TV had me convinced that pork is the other white meat. No red meat = no beef. And you don't eat pork, but chicken, fish, seafood are OK?

          This is kind of from left field, but what about the chef's counter at Kyo Ya?

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            iFat Aug 5, 2009 03:29 PM

            agree w/kathryn, kyo ya is ridiculous awesome. also, harbour got completely DESTROYED today in the Post: http://www.nypost.com/seven/08052009/entertainment/food/unsafe_harbour_183082.htm

            www.immaculateinfatuation.com

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              rrems Aug 5, 2009 08:16 PM

              I would not trust the Post for a restaurant review. I wasn't aware they even had a reviewer (what's his name? never heard of him) The review was completely idiotic. The only thing I could agree with was the complaint about the icky yogurt dip for the bread, which I remedied by simply asking for some butter. I don't get all the noise about the odd layout. So what if it is long and narrow and wraps around a parking lot (which you don't see from inside). The decor, including the chandelier, is really quite nice and the seating is comfortable. Seafood this creative at such reasonable prices is not easy to find.

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                squid kun Aug 6, 2009 02:28 AM

                Hadn't gotten around to Harbour yet, but I wonder how it's doing since the original chef left (something the Post reviewer mentions) ... http://eater.com/archives/2009/07/che...

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                  rrems Aug 6, 2009 08:50 PM

                  Last time we were there the chef apparently had already left, though we did not know it at the time. There was no deteriation in quality, and if you read the comments on that Eater posting, you will see that it continues to get raves from diners.

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              financialdistrictresident Aug 6, 2009 07:13 AM

              No pork. If it quacks, clucks or swims I usually eat it :) I probably won't try sea slugs again . . . Thanks, I'll look at Kyo Ya's menu.

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                financialdistrictresident Aug 17, 2009 11:39 AM

                kathryn, if pork is the other white meat than ostrich is the other red meat. SO and friend convinced me that an ostrich is poultry. . .it looked just like beef and they enjoyed the ostrich skewers. I tried a bite and couldn't eat it. See what 20 years of no red meat does to a person? Maybe I need to talk to steakrules :)

                What do you suggest at Kyo Ya? I'll be in the city next week and might need a place to eat . . .I'll also do a seach of this Board.

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                  goodhealthgourmet Aug 17, 2009 02:00 PM

                  "Maybe I need to talk to steakrules :)"
                  ~~~~~
                  or me! :)

                  i was a veg for over 20 years, and started eating meat again in '07. and yes, though it looks like beef, zoologically speaking, ostrich is poultry. i really like it, partly because it's so lean - i still can't stomach any type of fatty meat.

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                    kathryn Aug 17, 2009 06:47 PM

                    At Kyo Ya it's all about the daily specials. They often have unique raw fish flown in from Japan. You can get it as sashimi or as a box sushi roll. We always get the Hokkaido Lamb Chops, as my husband is addicted to those. I have also liked the oysters, whatever gratin they have on the menu, uni and yuba, fresh edamame on the branch (they serve you the entire branch), and beef tongue. The menu changes all the time based upon what they've flown in from Japan.

                    The service is very very nice even if their English isn't that great. We even had one server run and get a dictionary to help translate some obscure ice cream flavor I didn't understand.

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                      financialdistrictresident Aug 18, 2009 11:53 AM

                      Thanks so much, kathryn. I'll report back after I go.

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                        financialdistrictresident Oct 14, 2009 05:57 PM

                        Kathryn, we're going to Kyo Ya on Saturday. When I called (they're not on opentable.com) they advised no tasting menu, only ala carte.

                        PS I'm a very lucky girl - SHO, Falai and now Kyo Ya all in one week. I have a lot to be grateful for :)

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                          kathryn Oct 15, 2009 03:51 PM

                          Hooray! Be sure to report back. :)

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                            financialdistrictresident Oct 20, 2009 04:34 PM

                            Kathryn, we went to Kyo Ya. Will post a report soon (and my late Montreal trip report). Thanks again for the rec. We enjoyed it very much.

                2. financialdistrictresident Aug 11, 2009 02:59 PM

                  Thanks everyone. Ended up at Aldea last night for dinner and SHO for lunch today. Planetjess, SHO was an excellent suggestion. I'll post my reports on the Aldea and SHO threads. Maybe Kyo Ya next time . . .

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                    taboo Oct 16, 2009 06:02 AM

                    Scarpetta...YUM!!! Been there 2x and amazing both times. Other than that, Aldea would be my next choice....loved it. Marea did not do it for me, and have not been to Harbour yet. If you would consider Italian, I have heard wonderful things about Alto in midtown.

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                      a213b Oct 16, 2009 07:23 AM

                      Alto is very good, but I would choose Scarpetta (and in fact Convivio as well) over it ... it's a bit overpriced, the service on our visit was up-and-down (especially for a 2 rosette place) and I just don't know that the value is there when compared to Scarpetta.

                      Aldea is really good, though very different from Scarpetta. Have not been to Harbour nor Marea, so I cannot comment on those.

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                        financialdistrictresident Oct 20, 2009 04:35 PM

                        Been to Convivio. It was okay. Went to Aldea a few times. It's one of our favorites.

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