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Is there any high quality fine dining in Albany NY ??? [moved from The Best]

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nyperr Aug 2, 2009 06:02 PM

I've lived in NYC for decades and travel to Europe and SF frequently but am going to Albany for the first time. I'm looking for fine dining - restaurants using high quality fresh ingredients but not necessarily formal dining - just creative cuisine. Does anyone have any recommendations?

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    gerchak198 RE: nyperr Aug 2, 2009 06:05 PM

    McGuires, Angelo's Prime 677 (not sure if that's exact). Others?

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      financialdistrictresident RE: gerchak198 Aug 3, 2009 07:27 AM

      gerchak198, still have not been to McGuires. How is it these days since chef left for Creo' ?

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        jaylhorner RE: financialdistrictresident Aug 3, 2009 10:07 AM

        Still pretty good.

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          financialdistrictresident RE: jaylhorner Aug 3, 2009 05:32 PM

          Thanks.

    2. PSZaas RE: nyperr Aug 2, 2009 06:18 PM

      Many good restaurants. Cafe Madison. Cafe Capriccio. La Canard Enchaine, Jack's, Marche, Milano, Provence, Hollywood Brown Derby, Karavalli, Dale Miller, Creo, New World Bistro Bar, Beff's. You might consider checking out som of the several posts on the subject on the Tristate board.

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        financialdistrictresident RE: PSZaas Aug 3, 2009 06:43 AM

        Agree, many good restaurants. Very different then when I grew up in the Capital Region. Second many of PSZaas' recs. We have enjoyed Cafe Capriccio (Italian), Marche, NWBB. Yono's (more formal and casual dining options). Tosca in Troy. We have been to Cafe Capriccio and Tosca most often.

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          gerchak198 RE: PSZaas Aug 3, 2009 06:51 AM

          But are these really "fine dining" as nyperr wants? Of course, it depends on what their dfinition of fine dining is. For example, I love Karavalli but it is certainly not "fine dining."

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            financialdistrictresident RE: gerchak198 Aug 3, 2009 07:00 AM

            gerchak198, you raise an interesting point. Especially for a frequent SF diner. The only "fine dining" experience I have had is at Yono's (service was reminiscent of EMP, GR, The Modern Dining Room, Robuchon experiences in NYC) in their formal restaurant. Jack's and Cafe Capriccio also draw the business and elected official crowd. At least the recent Albany political fiasco supported some local businesses. Nyperr's request for high quality fresh ingredients is easier. Creative cuisine is more challenging (The Wine Bar, Marche, NWBB). IMHO Saratoga Springs has the best dining options. Albany is probably second. Tosca in Troy.

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              financialdistrictresident RE: financialdistrictresident Oct 3, 2010 04:25 PM

              Tosca is closed.

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                financialdistrictresident RE: financialdistrictresident Oct 3, 2010 04:50 PM

                The main dining room at Dale Miller might also be considered "fine dining." At least Yono's and Dale Miller served an amuse-bouche and their bread service was formal as well. Don't remember if mignardise (includes petits fours) were served.

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                PSZaas RE: gerchak198 Aug 3, 2009 08:10 PM

                Poster said fresh ingredients, not necessarily formal. The poster was a little vague, so I threw in a bunch of stuff. The poster could read the board, and learn a lot. I put in Beff's in case he wanted a good burger.

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                financialdistrictresident RE: PSZaas Oct 3, 2010 04:26 PM

                La Canard Enchaine closed their Albany location.

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                  financialdistrictresident RE: PSZaas Jun 18, 2011 11:34 AM

                  Dale Miller is now Taste and Chef Miller is at Sperry's in Saratoga. . .

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                    Roger K RE: PSZaas Aug 22, 2012 07:39 PM

                    For those who may not have seen the recent announcement, the Hollywood Brown Derby will be closing August, 25, 2012.

                    http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehoppi...

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                    DRD RE: nyperr Sep 12, 2009 01:06 PM

                    I dined at McGuires in mid-August, and the food and service were both outstanding. Best dinner I have had in a long time, and I have had some very good ones recently. Both appetizer (fig salad) and main (huge veal chop) were specials. If the regular menu items are of similar caliber, it might be a good thing the previous chef went to Creo.

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                      LouanneT RE: nyperr Sep 19, 2010 04:52 PM

                      The Sitar if you are a fan of Indian Cuisine. I lived in England and experienced wonderful Indian food, have not found anything in the Albany area that compares except the Sitar, it is amazing.

                      1. eclecticsynergy RE: nyperr Oct 3, 2010 04:19 PM

                        I recommend Grappa 72 quite strongly. It's on Central Ave, hidden in a little strip mall near the Hannaford plaza- this location used to be occupied by Carmine's, which mercifully closed after a long decline.

                        I knew before I even walked in for my first visit, when my companion and I saw fresh herbs growing among the flowers in windowboxes out front, that I could expect a memorable meal. We were not disappointed.

                        Menu is high quality Italian, in both modern and traditional varieties, the selections diverse without overwhelming one with dozens of choices.

                        We found the ambience elegant but not overly formal and the service was flawless- friendly and efficient, attentive without being intrusive, and pleasantly receptive to custom orders & off-menu requests. Crumbs were collected between courses and our water glasses never approached empty. Well-chosen music played softly; while quite audible, it never discouraged conversation nor did it elicit loud voices from the other diners.

                        And the food... ahhh, just delectable. (My mouth waters at the memory.) Our main courses were excellent- both the fish and the chicken cooked just right, well-seasoned and perfectly sauced, accompanied by sides that complemented the central flavors admirably. The sage reduction with my chicken Saltimbocca was a particular delight. Desserts also were wonderful, a decadent peach crumble with shortbread crust, almond whipped cream & hot buttered rum, and a perfect, classic creme bruleé garnished with fresh strawberry.

                        Although it's been open for some time now, Grappa 72 was a new discovery for me.
                        I intend to become a regular.

                        Very highly recommended.

                        I also second the recommendation of the Sitar- as I've posted elsewhere, the best Indian food I've found in the Capital District. They serve a most excellent version of chicken with cashews & cream, and the best palak paneer I've had anywhere. Also a very good Sunday buffet until 3PM.

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                          financialdistrictresident RE: eclecticsynergy Oct 3, 2010 04:24 PM

                          Grappa 72 is very good. It's casual dining. Our experience:

                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/736135

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                            financialdistrictresident RE: financialdistrictresident Jun 18, 2011 11:36 AM

                            We went to Grappa'72 again recently. Almost as good as the first time. Different chef. Wouldn't consider it "fine dining."

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                              PamelaS RE: financialdistrictresident Jan 22, 2012 02:39 PM

                              Grappa &2 has lost its edge. Food ranges from pretty good to so-so and management doesn't seem to care about poor service or customer care.

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                                financialdistrictresident RE: PamelaS Jan 22, 2012 03:13 PM

                                PamelaS, what did you have and when did you go? We haven't been for dinner in some time (once since the chef change). Went for cocktails and service was fine. That said we were the only people at the bar because it was early on a Sunday afternoon :)

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                                  PamelaS RE: financialdistrictresident Jan 22, 2012 03:43 PM

                                  I was there twice in the spring. I had been a few times before and had been very pleased. But these two times the service was unbearably slow and the management showed "attitude" rather than offering any type of apologies. My food was fine, but others in my party each time had undercooked food, blandly seasoned food, and dishes missing ingredients specified on the menu.

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                                    financialdistrictresident RE: PamelaS Jan 23, 2012 04:53 AM

                                    Did you tell them so they could correct the undercooked food, pacing of your meal, etc.?

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                                      PamelaS RE: financialdistrictresident Jan 23, 2012 06:25 AM

                                      Yes, and while our server at one of the meals was responsive, the one at the second meal was not. And at both meals the management was rude to our friends and indifferent to the problems.

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                                        financialdistrictresident RE: PamelaS Jan 23, 2012 08:11 AM

                                        Thanks, Pamela S. Sorry your experiences were not good. Luckily we've only had good experiences (except for a dessert). To be fair, we've only been a few times and the most recent was last summer.

                        2. financialdistrictresident RE: nyperr Oct 3, 2010 04:53 PM

                          nyperr, it has been a year since your OP.

                          Did you go to Albany? Where did you end up?

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