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Watched the premier tonight. Kinda.
Paused the DVR with about 10 minutes to go, and it crashed on re-entry. So, they were bringing up 2 from each team. Who got axed?
Oh, and having Robert back is a pretty lame attempt at adding some interest.
And the chicken looked pretty good to me.

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  1. Nobody got sent home- at the end one of the contestants flipped out and tried to take Ramsay out to the parking lot. It ended at a cliffhanger- SURPRISE!

    I feel so dirty watching this show.

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    1. re: nimeye

      lol
      Life is too serious not to take time off for mindless entertainment. If something makes me laugh, I'll return time and time again.

    2. The supposed military line cook, Joseph, went all wonky on GR - Ramsay asked him to name the two guys being put up; he named one and said "he and the other knows why they're up" or something like that. Essentially wouldn't answer GR; they had a face-to-face with GR saying he asks the questions and they answer them; Joseph ended up ripping off his chef's coat and practically chest bumping GR and challenging him to take it out into the parking lot.....and it ended with a black screen saying "TO BE CONTINUED..."

      And of course next week will be THE......MOST.....DRAMATIC!......EPISODE.......EVER!!!! ;-)

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      1. re: LindaWhit

        And will no doubt contain "Something that has never been done before in Hell's Kitchen".
        Freakin hilarious!
        I don't care. For an hour or two it takes my mind off all the important things.

        1. re: Bobfrmia

          Yea like the people who are guests in the restaurant next week are fire men so as usual it's likely just a bunch of fake drama.
          Ranks pretty high on my YAWWWWWWN scale.
          At least they gave them thermometers this season.
          Not that any one actually seems to know how to use one.
          I wish for one season they would lose the psychos and freaks. This really could be a great cooking show with out all of the staged drama.
          Some one mentioned "settlements". Any one want to place any wagers that since Heather got shorted after winning this is part of her "prize" ?

          1. re: Fritter

            How did Heather get shorted on her prize? Wasn't she working at that resort in NV for a year? That's all they're supposed to get.

            And again - unless Andy Husbands' character is not what I thought it was, I don't think they're ALL psychos and freaks. I am still very surprised that he chose to go on this show, however, based on the past history. Unless there was massive recruiting of real ECs instead of cooking school boobs like last season.

            1. re: LindaWhit

              IIR no they did not honor the agreement to employ Heather or there was some legal snafu. I believe she was promised the position of Executive Chef for RRC and they eventually negotiated a dumbed down title of "senior chef" (LOL) for a single restaurant in the casino. The winers of the first two seasons did not receive the prizes as promised either.
              I agree they are not "ALL" psychos and freaks but they sure do stack the deck with them. The point is if they stopped casting these people that are such obvious rejects the show could actually be fairly decent instead of a culinary joke.
              As usual GR could elimante 75% of them in a sigle show and be better off.

              1. re: Fritter

                Well, we never saw the contracts for any of the first 3 winners (Rock included). The HK website and GR said they'd be EC at whatever restaurant (I don't recall it being an EC for the entire resort). But anyone within their right minds (and viewers who also are in their right minds) would know they'd not get an EC position right off the bat with the type of lack of experience that the majority of them had.

                As to the casting - reality shows need their idiots and drama queens. So regardless of what show it is, we're going to get at least a bit of it - be it on Top Chef or Hell's Kitchen.

                1. re: LindaWhit

                  Yeeeeeeaaaaah.
                  HK and TC contestants are on the same culinary level.
                  That's not even close to reality.
                  Contracts aside we all know the wiinners are promised a job as Executive Chef and not some fabricated title of "senior chef".

                  "The HK website and GR said they'd be EC at whatever restaurant"

                  Well there you go. Some fabricated non- title is not the same as being "Executive Chef" of even a single restaurant. The casino had a EC and so did the restaurant she worked at.
                  Bottom line is that she did not receive the prize as promised and is now working as Gordo's SC.

                  1. re: Fritter

                    OK, if you've ever read ANY of my posts about TC and HK, you'd know I've never EVER believed that the contestants on HK are on or even NEAR the same playing field as those on TC! Not in any way, shape or form.

                    That is my biggest issue with HK - the fact that throughout most seasons, they've just seemed to be complete morons, whereas on TC, while having a moron or two, most have good to excellent cooking chops.

                    However, TC has had their idiots and drama queens. And that is all I was saying - regardless of WHAT reality show it is, there will be stupidity and drama.

                    As to your statement "we all know the wiinners are promised a job as Executive Chef " - no, we DON'T all know that. For all we know, the contract could state that they will get at minimum a senior sous chef position, but it will be called an EC online and on the show. Reality shows have a LOT of legalese in their contracts with the contestants that gives the producers all the power - witness "Survivor" and their ability to sue contestants for up to $1,000,000 (or something like that) should it be revealed that they let slip who wins before the show airs.

                    So again, without having seen the contract, we don't know that they've been promised an EC position. That's only what we've heard. These people want to be on the show; they sign their rights away - including, perhaps, what title they actually get if they win HK.

                    1. re: LindaWhit

                      Well I'm a simple guy. If it walks like a duck....
                      flies like a duck....
                      quacks like a duck....
                      I kinda figure it's probably a duck.
                      I don't care what the legal ease states but we all know they advertise the prize is a job as "executive Chef".
                      Period.
                      Not some fabricated title like "senior Chef" or executive sous chef.
                      It's perfectly clear the prize is to be HEAD chef.
                      While I suspect that any TV reality show contract makes every effort to CYA there is still a base premise that the prize will be as advertised.
                      If they don't deliver then the show is an ever bigger joke.
                      I will give you one thing as a comparison to TC. Last night all of the equipment had big tags like the dishwasher. The Robot Coupe was perfectly placed in one shot so you could see the name. A set of Wusthof knives was given to the contestants.
                      BTW What did the winner of season one get? Three days in London only to find out that he wouldn't actually be working with GR?
                      What a great prize.

                      1. re: Fritter

                        Yet again, without seeing the contract, we have no idea what they were promised. Regardless of what we hear being said on the show. And everyone knows we can always believe what we see and hear on TV, right? ;-) If people know what they're signing (that they're not going to be the EC of a major Las Vegas resort if they win) then they are the bigger fools, IMO.

                        1. re: LindaWhit

                          It's not that I dissagree with you Linda I just think it's wrong.
                          As far as seeing and believing I don't believe any thing I hear and only half of what I see. ;-)

                          1. re: Fritter

                            We definitely agree on the wrongness of it , Fritter - but I guess it's legal if they continue to get away with it.

                            Too bad the most trusted guy on TV is no longer around to tell us right from wrong. (Boy, those days are long gone, aren't they?)

              2. re: LindaWhit

                <<Unless there was massive recruiting of real ECs instead of cooking school boobs like last season.>>

                One of the contestants -- Tony, the male with the thick glasses -- manages a culinary supply store. He lists that and the fact that he went to Italy and learned to cook for a year as his credentials. So I don't think the producers have upped their standards.

        2. We watch this show together as a family. We all LOVE it. I have a 14,5,&4 year old. Chef Ramsey is great! My kids love when he gets wild. I wonder where some of these people come from? Have they ever cooked on a line before? There is nothing like that adrenelline rush in the kitchen. You either love it or hate it. That deer starring into the headlights look, I have seen it before, not a pretty site. I think Joseph just could not do it, and thats why he walked off.
          The other thing I love about this show is for 2 days after my kids watch it they respond to anything I say with "yes chef." priceless ;-)

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          1. re: gmyengel

            Love the "yes chef!" response from the kids. :-) And yes - some have done some extensive cooking - I just started another thread tonight after reading the bios at Fox's website, and seeing that contestant, Andy, had a restaurant in Boston - it's Andy Husbands, EC and owner of Tremont 647 in the South End. Rather surprised to see him there! I guess he had a first episode dinner party at the restaurant tonight with Jim (from Nashua) and Tek - and the three of them made some recipes from the HK menu for the special party.

          2. I love this show! These people are progressively more insane. How much botox has Melinda had - she looked like a "deer in headlights" the entire episode, not just when she got called on her copious cappalini binning. That Joseph guy is wacko! He's the poster child for better VA Hospital funding - or if he never got out of the kitchen during his service, for better mental health screening of our soldiers BEFORE they're in the military. He is MESSED up. Is Lovely our new Lacy? Only time and the number of absenteeisms will tell. And JP losing it on the Van who speaks Texan - priceless!

            1. ITA about that chicken! Where was it burnt? It looked pretty GBD to me.

              As usual, I must ask myself "where do they get these people? Are there not skilled cooks in the US who would be capable of cooking a piece of salmon??"

              And the second ep ending was an insult.

              1. You know, I am still wondering if this show is for real? (of course, it's reality TV). Was that diner chef a real guy? Or an actor? Seemed a little to perfect to coincidentally have Robert in the dining room and lose a contestant. I am sure it was all scripted, but seriously, would you put yourself through that torture and make some biscuits and gravy?

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                1. re: UptownKevin

                  I was thinking kind of the same thing -- I think he's a real chef (actually diner guy, but still a food professional) but Robert's presence and ability to step in -- have his health concerns been resolved? -- is just too much coincidence to swallow. If I were Louie (I think that's his name), I'd be looking for a nice cash settlement to go away quietly or else be shopping for a lawyer.

                  As for the Joe the Fightin' Chef, his bio says he's a former Marine. My brother was a Marine sergeant for many years; and based on his experience/stories I don't get why Joe can't follow Ramsey's orders about saying who's going and why. Oh, yeah -- "'it's"good TV." I hate myself for watching this show.

                  1. re: harrie

                    I have to agree with you. Was just to much of a coincidence that Robert and his wife were there.I haven't read the contestants bios, but you think a former Marine especially could follow orders. Maybe that's why he's a former Marine, cause even they wouldn't stand for his attitude.maybe cause he's a civilian now, he thinks he doesn't have to take orders anymore.

                    From what i saw, last night, they seem to be a group of losers.Not putting them down in their own work areas, but on the show, neither side seemed to pull it together. I hope it gets better.

                    1. re: HollyDolly

                      I think that Robert being there and asked to join was set up ahead. There's no way they would leave that to chance and he would have to be cleared in advance medically, I'm sure.

                      But I also think that the producers knew without a doubt that there would be someone in that merry band of idiots that would screw up badly enough and could be booted immediately. That, I don't think was set up (other than they knew they wanted to boot someone during service) and I don't think diner guy was a fake. Every first (and second and third) episode has someone that messes up really badly. How could it not? It's not like they cast the show based on talent. It's about getting the right combination of personalities.

                      As far as Louie looking for a settlement, I would bet a lot of money on the fact that his getting kicked off was well within the rules in his contract.

                      I wonder if J-P ever thinks, why can't I be on the F-Word with Jean Baptiste? No one has to pretend to get into a fight on his show.

                      and finally, that conversation between Joe and Ramsay was so surreal. parts of it were like listening to two different conversations at once. Even Ramsay looked kind of gobsmacked by it.

                      1. re: Sooeygun

                        But as someone pointed out on this thread or another, the guy named Louie isn't really named Louie -- which leads me to think he was part of a setup and that it was scripted that he get thrown off the show. So I'm willing to discard the settlement idea and go with Louie's being a willing participant for whatever reason (which might include a certain price tag).

                        1. re: harrie

                          I haven't read anyway about Louie not being Louie (and I read a lot of forums). Please, point me to the dirt...

                          1. re: Sooeygun

                            Here, the last post on this thread (by RandyL)
                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/631135

                            1. re: harrie

                              Thanks harrie. That's good dirt to post elsewhere. So it would seem he might have been a plant.

                              1. re: Sooeygun

                                Interesting - some more info:

                                http://bostonhospitalityindustry.blog...

                        2. re: Sooeygun

                          I'd still be worried about Robert's health. He does not appear to have gotten his weight issues resolved, and it's been long enough that we should have seen some positive changes.

                          I agree with the other posters. Of all of the "reality shows", HK is by far the least believable. Situations are obviously staged, the contestants are coming from further and further down the food chain (or are editied to appear that way), and it just not credible. The info about the lack of credibility on the trumpeted prize is the corker. I never could figure out how or why GR would EVER put one of those unseasoned winners in charge as an EC in a prime location -- it just didn't make sense.

                          It's almost as though the producers are making HK a satire of other cheftestant offerings.

                          1. re: PattiCakes

                            Robert looks worse than he did last season. I didn't however see him chain smoking with the rest of the chain smokers---yet.
                            Was that fight staged too? I hope this season doesn't get too gimmicky and scripted.
                            anyone have any idea what happened, really, to the other season's winners? Where are they now besides Heather, who stands there and just looks bored?

                            1. re: HabaneroJane

                              Gotta agree. Robert looks like he has gained weight. At the very least he is not in better shape. Big Boi needs to stop criticising other peoples looks and weight until he cleans up the junk in his own trunk.

                            2. re: PattiCakes

                              "I'd still be worried about Robert's health. He does not appear to have gotten his weight issues resolved, and it's been long enough that we should have seen some positive changes.

                              I heard they taped the two 'seasons' pretty much back to back.

                    2. OMG. it's on my DVR and I can't wait to watch! nimeye, me too! definately a guilty pleasure! :) lol

                      1. I missed the first hour, came in in the middle of shrimp deveining. This is the first time I've felt superior in my kitchen skills to the TV chefs (my knife skills are abyssmal, but I still have all my finger tips). I asked a friend how long they had, he said 10 minutes....did he remember that right?

                        Robert 2.0 doesn't look healthier than last time.
                        The Whoppi character does stand out, doesn't she?
                        Do any of the guys not have the deer in the headlights look?

                        Pink deep sea bass? I don't think so.

                        Definitely NOT about the food.

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                        1. re: shallots

                          Is Lovely the new Lacey??? Oooh, I was nauseous - needed to drink 4 bottles of water. I am sooooo good. Yeah. Uh huh.

                          Umm Robert, sweetie, you look heavier and unhealthier than last time. What gives?

                          Van and JP - gotta love it. Ladies first......

                          1. re: maisonbistro

                            Van and JP - gotta love it. Ladies first......

                            ________________

                            I didn't catch that the first time. My wife asked what was going on between the two of them and I re-wound. Then heard "Ladies first". And about fell out of my chair.

                            Not sure why Gordo didn't stick up for his guy JP.

                            1. re: chileheadmike

                              Cause JP is just another prop for the show. In real life, I'm sure Gordo does stick up for JP.

                        2. I look at this show as boot camp for would-be chefs and Gordon is the drill instructor. Perhaps, if any of you have experienced the abuse of military basic training, his treatment of them would be no big thing (and, for us, there was no "pot-of-gold" waiting for anyone at the end of it).

                          The editors have everything to do with our perceptions and these guys are the heart of the show. It's no different than other "reality" shows. Just as there are experts to choose a jury, the casting folks on these shows (hopefully) make sure the contestants are going to be interesting to the viewers. They may even be told the "role" the director/producer sees for them. One thing I'm pretty sure of though is that the "action" scenes aren't scripted because I doubt whether any of them could be that good an actor.

                          Personally, I watch all of the Hell's Kitchens, Nightmares, Bourdain shows, TNFNS, Iron Chef, and even the Bizarre Zimmern. I enjoy them all as I do Survivor, Amazing Race, and American Idol. The DVR makes it all possible and the fact that I don't get to as many car wrecks and bar fights as I used to makes it necessary. To each his own!

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                          1. re: grampart

                            "I look at this show as boot camp for would-be chefs and Gordon is the drill instructor."
                            ~~~~~
                            Even Robert said that to Joseph last night as Joseph was telling everyone to "F" off - he said "Hey - you came here to learn, to improve..." and Joseph/Marine guy cut him off with more beeps.

                          2. I don't remember Robert being that great last season. Now he's back to mess up some more. He should be familiar with most of these recipes, but still can't make the dishes!

                            Hopefully, show editing is better this year. Last year, "surprises" were teased but never shown or were a mere mentions in the follow-up episode.

                            Someone that needed the second chance was the lady that hurt her ankle last season. Maybe she declined the offer?

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                            1. re: dave_c

                              IIRC, Robert was improving greatly just before his health issue. There was one ep where he took leadership to get the Blues to work together, and I think was praised by GR for it.

                            2. I had no idea it had started or that there was even another season.

                              And it would seem that Gordo went and got his hair colored.

                              1. Holy crap! what an episode! lol. even my hubby got sucked in at the end and he hates the show. It's so ridiculous and over the top I can barely stand it. Yes, I think Lovely is the new Lacey. WTH was up with Melinda's face?!?!? she seriously DID look like a frightened animal when he was yelling at her! I'm glad Robert got another chance, but he started off acting like he was a shoo-in. get a grip dude! it's gonna be another fun season, I can't wait. :)

                                1. Don't you wonder where they find these people? Do they post on Craigslist? "Wanted: someone who is willing to be made to look foolish on national TV. Free trip to LA, expenses paid. Do all your friends tell you that you're a great cook? This is the job for you!" Or "Do you have anger issues? Come on down!"

                                  And then they give them a food-related test...which if they pass it they can't be on the show!

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                                  1. re: coney with everything

                                    or a casting call?

                                    1. re: ponyboy

                                      Last season, the woman from Tennessee was interviewed back home and said she had written to Gordon Ramsay Inc. about getting a job working in their kitchen in the restarant in NYC and they told/ possibly invited her to come to the cattle call where they announced the chosen chefs for the show.

                                    2. re: coney with everything

                                      "Do they post on Craigslist? "Wanted: someone who is willing to be made to look foolish on national TV. " You hit the nail on the head.

                                      Does anyone know any chef/cook with integrity, who currently has a decent job, who would even consider coming on this show?

                                      Is the British version of the show different? Please tell me it is.

                                      1. re: PattiCakes

                                        The British version featured/features celebrities duking it out in the show as opposed to the "professionals" in the American one. Honestly, some of these people remind me of some of the people I've worked with in the past.

                                        1. re: PattiCakes

                                          Current contestant Andy Husbands has his own pretty successful restaurant in Boston (10 years or so). Has a cookbook too. As far as chefs go, I'd say that probably counts as having a decent job. No idea why he would go on this show, though. Maybe for fun?

                                          1. re: purple bot

                                            Let's say he did it to give his restaurant more exposure. The question is, is it going to be positive or negative? If he flops in Hell's Ktichen, will that affect his restaurants' business?

                                            1. re: Ericandblueboy

                                              See, that's the cunundrum. I have a nephew who is very talented, charismatic guy who would do very well on something like Top Chef. The problem is that you have no control over how you will be portrayed once the producers start editing. Of course an A-hole is more than likely to show his/her true colors, but you can't guarantee that a good/talented person isn't going to be editied to appear silly, vacant, inept depending on the producers' agenda. And then you are stuck with a reputaion altered by the perception.

                                              Oh yeah, it could be a big risk. I'm not sure if would hurt you so much if you already have your own restaurant; it might even create a buzz because of the curiosity factor. On the other hand, if you are trying to work your way up in the business, it could be a killer. Now that you've seen some of these cheftestants in action (as edited), would YOU want to hire them?

                                            2. re: purple bot

                                              And that's the big question I've been asking in various threads as well - WHY would Andy Husbands have gone on this show, if he has any knowledge of the eye-dee-yots who've been on it before and the perception of the contestants on this show?

                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                He's either in financial trouble or off his meds. Even a win on this show makes you a bit of a loser.

                                                1. re: Fritter

                                                  " Even a win on this show makes you a bit of a loser."

                                                  well said.

                                                  1. re: Fritter

                                                    That's exactly what I thought (a win making you a loser). Haven't been to the restaurant and don't recall the general consensus on the Boston board, other than, at times, a "tired" menu. Mixed reviews on Yelp (seems people mostly like the Sunday pajama brunch, but food and service is spotty).

                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                      I don't know any thing about him Linda but I can honestly say that if he reached a point where he felt this was a good move as a fellow Chef I honestly feel for him.

                                          2. Hells Kitchen is on HULU so I generally watch the epis the next day at lunch.

                                            Yes, they do in fact solicit on Craig's List. And, I think they also use casting services. A friend sent me something from Boston casting regarding this season.

                                            Robert looks fatter and unhealthy. Let's hope he quit smoking. I am (for real) worried that he's gonna keel over during service.

                                            Even after just two episodes I am getting sick of the physical confrontations by the uber-alpha males.

                                            WTF did Andy Husbands sign up to be called a fucking donkey? And he slices his finger off in a future epi. Hope it was worth it to him.

                                            BTW Tremont 647 is a good place. Been there many times. If people call it tired, it may be becasue it's been around for so long. One of the first places to open in a nabe that now has a hundred

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                                            1. re: C. Hamster

                                              I think Andy was mostly called "bozo" vs. "donkey", according to an interview with him that I read a few days ago. ;-) And thanks for the info re: Tremont 647 - was wondering if it had stood the test of time. I do recall it was an early "adopter" of the neighborhood.

                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                He was in fact called a "donkey" in either epi 1 or 2. That's when I said WTF are you doing this for, Andy?

                                                But maybe it got better for him and he was upgraded to bozo.

                                                1. re: C. Hamster

                                                  "...and he was upgraded to bozo."

                                                  :-D

                                            2. Don't know when this filmed, but Robert and Seth are both executive chefs at Georgica Restaurant & Lounge in Wainscott, NY. Here's a link for a review:

                                              http://www.danshamptons.com/content/d...