Cooktop, wall ovens
I'm new here, so forgive me if this is the wrong place to post, and please direct me to the right place.
I'm looking for advice on a gas cooktop. I've been pointed to Viking and Dacor (30"). Consumer Reports rates them highly, but also repairs for both are quite high. Does anyone absolutely love or hate either? I've never cooked with gas before, and I understand cleanup is a problem. I'm not sure what that means exactly.
Also, double wall ovens. Kitchen Aid or Bosch? I can get a Bosch for about $100 more than the KA, but it has a lot of stuff, ie. Pie, Dehydrate, Pizza, that I'm wondering if it just means more stuff to go wrong. I have a 50 year old Moffat that works wonderful, so I'm after something durable, reliable, with a low repair record - a workhorse in other words.
One last question, Miele or Bosch dishwasher?
Thanks, and I'll try to be more succinct next time!
Welcome to Chowhound, casey30. The COOKWARE board is indeed the place to ask your specific question.
Before any really helpful, good information is offered, tell us a bit more about your situation, location? budget? experience? etc.
You write: "..... and I understand cleanup is a problem..." (with gas cooktops). Huh? Could you help me here, please? I have cooked on a Viking six burner gas cooktop-cum-griddle for the past seven years and love the fact that I can disassemble the entire thing and clean it thoroughly. That does not happen with all cooktops and when I was forced to use electricity (only) the clean-up was nightmare-ish. What is the downside to taking something apart and cleaning all the bits and pieces?
You say you want a workhorse appliance. What commercial gear is available where you live (Canada, I assume)? That may be the best bet for you, although it will depend on numerous factors.
(Crossing my fingers as I write this) I have not had to call the repairman for either my wall ovens or cooktop so I cannot comment on cost, although I'll hazard a guess and say that it will be pricey.
There is another board, gardenweb.com with an appliance forum (kitchen) that you might consider as well as asking your question on CH.
Edit: I forgot to add that once you cook on a gas cooktop, you'll be spoiled for life. There is a valid reason it is used in commercial kitchens although many swear by the induction cooktops. I have used one (commercial induction) and loved it! What I didn't love was the idea of replacing much of my cookware. That was the deal-breaker for me. I own too much lovely old French copper to discard it.
2nd! I absolutely love my Miele gas cooktop (ss surface)...perfect, very flexible heat, easy to clean, no problems. The highest quality & from me the highest praise. I love my Miele elec oven, too. The cooktop & oven replaced a Dacor cooktop & oven...the cooktop was OK but the oven drove me nuts...took forever to preheat & the temp was never reliable...I switched from Dacor to Miele because of how pleased I was with my Miele dw......1st one lasted over twenty years...2nd one looks like it will go that long, too...totally silent, cleans perfectly, zero problems...
cannot praise Miele quality enough...
Yes, I do live in Canada, in Toronto. The Viking is about $1990, and the Dacor $2100. I've been on the gardenweb site, and that's where I first heard about cleanup difficulties - I don't actually know what it means. Can you go over the cooktop with stainless to clean up? My old electric I take out the rings, soak and scrub with steel wool. Can you do that with the Viking? or any gas cooktop?
Is the KitchenAid cooktop worth a look? Thermador my appliance guy showed me had star shaped burners which he said some people didn't like.
Any thoughts on KA or Bosch double wall ovens?
I don't want to overthink the whole thing, but am getting more confused. Prices for the KA ovens are $3280 and the Bosch $3400.
We're redoing the whole kitchen and I feel like a lamb being led to the slaughter - every store tells me something different!!
After much research when we were totally re-doing our kitchen 4 years ago, I chose DCS. My cooktop is gas with 4 burners and a grddle. Each burner has 17,500 BTU with a simmer of 500 BTU. It is easy to clean, reliable and looks great.
I chose DCS electric wall ovens with convection. The broiler in the top oven is concealed as are the bake elements on the floor of both ovens. This sold me! So easy to clean in between "self Cleaning". Also, the internal capacity was bigger than other brands that took up the same amount of space.
We chose a Bosch dishwasher for the water use efficiency, style and noise level. Half the time I don't evn know it's on.
Good luck, take your time and enjoy the process.
Just a suggestion:
If you are going to get a stainless cooktop, you might wanna look into the KA with the scratch resistant coating.
In the end, you are going to have to make your own decision. Sounds like you've narrowed down the hundreds of choices to only a few for whatever your reasons might be. If you dig a little deeper into each decision you have to make, you might find another reason to lean towards one thing over another. Since you are asking Bosch or Miele for the dishwasher, you might also want to include the models you are thinking about to get specific responses. I'd assume that you are considering very specific models since there are many more options for makers of Euro brand dishwashers at a myriad of price points. Definitely same for your wall ovens - you've narrowed it down to KA or Bosch out of the many other choices for whatever reason. When I was searching a few months ago, I crossed them both off of my list, and went with the Electrolux Icon Pro for the price range.
My cooktop decision was a little easier. A gas cooktop, to me, is basically a few tubes that carry gas to keep a flame lit. Some of them have an outrageous amt of btus, and some of them have a wide range of btus (simmer to 18,000 btu on one burner.) So, I narrowed it down to range + appearance + continuous grates. My final options were the Electrolux regular (NOT icon,) the GE monogram, and the kitchenaid - all in 36 inch 5 burner configurations. These three all looked nice, had knob configurations that did not interfere with usage, continuous grates, and knobs that felt substantial and not flimsy. In the end, the KA was a no brainer because they offered a scratch resistant coating which actually worked ( we were getting stainless)
Keep digging for info, and I bet some reason to go with one instead of the other will pop out at you. If you are only trying to decide between two ovens, cooktops, and dishwashers out of the many other brands/models, you're 99% done.
We renovated our kitchen just over a year ago. We decided on an Electrolux gas cooktop (30 inch) and a Bosch dishwasher. Love them both. For walloven, we were somewhat 'price sensitive' and ended up getting a Frigidaire, which I quite like but we're not huge oven users. We ended up getting all of our appliances, including fridge and microwave at Tasco.