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Which Are Some of the Greatest German Cuisine Restaurants in Germany?

Chinon00 Jun 21, 2009 09:29 PM

I'll be in Berlin and Stuttgart for work next week. So which restaurants should I go to for an amazing, mind-blowing "German" meal?"

Thanks

  1. linguafood Jun 22, 2009 05:37 AM

    Can't say anything about Stuttgart, other than the city sucks. There are probably a number of Michelin-starred restos, since most of them are in BaWü (Baden-Württemberg), but those can be googled easily.

    For Berlin, I can recommend Margaux, Fischers Fritz, Reinstoff.

    Guten Hunger!

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    1. re: linguafood
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      makotot Jun 22, 2009 05:55 AM

      I had a wonderful meal at Vau (Jaegerstr. 54) last December. Margaux is also excellent if you like French. Guten Appetit!

    2. linguafood Jun 22, 2009 06:58 AM

      Vau won't blow your mind. Margaux will, even with its French influenced food.

      Fischers Fritz, too. It's the only 2* Michelin restaurant in Berlin.

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      1. re: linguafood
        hangrygirl Jun 23, 2009 08:37 AM

        I went to Margaux for the May 1st weekend, and I was personally blown away in the negative sense. All the dishes tasted like they were underseasoned or oversalted, and it all seemed to be a bit more pretentious that what the actual food warranted... But maybe I just had bad luck - we were a group of 35, so that might have impacted the menu, too I suppose.

        1. re: hangrygirl
          linguafood Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM

          It's a real shame you had such a bad experience. I've only been there once for my 5th wedding anniversary, on a pretty quiet evening, and the food was outstanding. I'm actually not a big fan of the interior, but the food was truly impressive.

          Still, a restaurant of this caliber should be able to not just accommodate, but equally blow away larger groups, as difficult as it may be.

      2. Chinon00 Jun 22, 2009 08:51 AM

        Thanks for the replies so far. I went to the websites and non seem to really specialize in German cuisine; which is what I looking for.

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        1. re: Chinon00
          linguafood Jun 22, 2009 09:28 AM

          Are you looking for real high-end restaurants serving German food, or a modern take on German food that is fabulously executed? There are a number of places which aren't nearly as swanky and expensive, but delicious anyway. Please elaborate.

          1. re: linguafood
            Chinon00 Jun 22, 2009 09:55 AM

            "Are you looking for real high-end restaurants serving German food, or a modern take on German food that is fabulously executed? "

            The former.

            1. re: Chinon00
              linguafood Jun 22, 2009 12:39 PM

              Well, a lot of the high-end places tend to be at least influenced by French or Alsatian cooking. The highest number of Michelin-starred places are in the south of Germany, which also tends to be influenced by its francophone neighbors.

              Do share whatever it is you end up finding that matches your criteria.

              1. re: linguafood
                Chinon00 Jun 22, 2009 04:25 PM

                "Well, a lot of the high-end places tend to be at least influenced by French or Alsatian cooking. The highest number of Michelin-starred places are in the south of Germany, which also tends to be influenced by its francophone neighbors."

                Why is this so in Germany and not say in France or Italy where "French" or "Italian" cuisine is all around you?

                Thanks

                1. re: Chinon00
                  linguafood Jun 22, 2009 05:12 PM

                  maybe you can search the web for the places that match your criteria of high-end German food in berlin and stutgart, and i might be able to give you a better answer. i'm frankly surprised that you would have such a hard time coming up with possible restaurants.

                  1. re: linguafood
                    Chinon00 Jun 22, 2009 05:44 PM

                    Just figured a few hounds would have had some places that they could clue me in on that were outstanding examples of German food.

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                      makotot Jun 23, 2009 06:16 AM

                      In my opinion, if you would like to experience authentic German good, you need to go more casual and authentic places in Bavaria, etc. A few high end places that I can think of near Blackforrest is Schwartwaldstudbe in Baiersbronn or Colombi in Freiburg but a little bit drive from Stuttgart.

                      1. re: makotot
                        linguafood Jun 23, 2009 08:33 AM

                        Well, if you read the thread, Schwarzwaldstube won't qualify for ch00's quest, since it's influenced by French tradition or rather, the chef uses French techniques -- like most high-end places in most countries, I might say.

                        Nevertheless, Schwarzwaldstube would qualify as high-end German food in Germany.

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          Marc Jun 23, 2009 09:42 PM

          For Stuttgart:
          www.ochsen-kernen.de – typical regional fare at it’s best. 10 km from Stuttgart, easy to reach by S-Bahn.

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          1. re: Marc
            linguafood Jun 24, 2009 04:23 AM

            Oh, but they offer a tomato-mozzarella appetizer -- Italian.
            And homecured salmon with herb & mustard sauce -- Scandinavian.
            And a chanterelle soup à la crème -- French.

            Probably not German enough '-D

            1. re: linguafood
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              Marc Jun 24, 2009 05:12 AM

              Swabians go there only for Geschmelzte Maultaschen,
              saure Kutteln, Kalbskopf gebacken, Zwiebel- and Rahmrostbraten and some glasses of Schiller. What you mentioned is just for the tourists and of lesser quality anyway, therefore Swabians go directly to the respecive country.

              1. re: Marc
                Chinon00 Jun 24, 2009 05:48 AM

                Thanks for the suggestion. That's exactly what I'm looking for (and what is "Schiller"?). Looks like a winner.

                1. re: Chinon00
                  linguafood Jun 24, 2009 06:23 AM

                  So no Michelin-star resto necessary, then. Sure hope regional Swabian food will blow your mind. It's good, but certainly not amazing.

                  Now that we seem to have found out what it is you're *really* looking for -- i.e. good regional German fare that is not "high-end" per se, try Hartmanns Restaurant in Berlin. Or Weinbar Rutz. Or E.T.A. Hoffmann. Or Horvath. Or Renger-Patzsch. No stars, good food. "Mind-blowing" is pretty subjective anyway.

                  1. re: linguafood
                    Chinon00 Jun 24, 2009 08:26 AM

                    German cuisine can't be "mind blowing" if it isn't French or otherwise "internationally" inspired to you?

                    1. re: Chinon00
                      linguafood Jun 25, 2009 09:50 AM

                      That's not what I said. You criticized some high-end German restaurants for the fact that they are influenced by French cooking techniques. Duh, as most high-end restos in the world are.

                      This whole 'argument' has become rather tiresome, so I'll leave it up to other CHers who perhaps understand your request better.

                      1. re: Chinon00
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                        tmso Jul 24, 2009 02:40 AM

                        You are asking a question that doesn't even make sense, and the repeated insistence on an ahistorical approach, despite the corrections you've gotten here, is pretty annoying and bull-headed. Fine dining was invented more than once in more than one place, but for a large area of Europe, and this includes the German-speaking parts, fine dining was a French import. The way fine dining changes the local cuisine looks like French influence when viewed from Germany. But in France, "high-end" French food is put through similar changes when compared to the regional bourgeois or country food it draws on.

                        That is why there is no 100% German fine dining. If you'll indulge me in considering Austria to be effectively Germany, Alfons Schuhbeck is a great example of this. Bavarian-Austrian food, in a fine dining setting means that despite his very regional approach, it's still by necessity internationalized.

                        And then there's the question of 100% German-ness. That's not going to be that popular of a concept in Germany, to be honest. One of the charms of contemporary Germany is exactly the fairly international outlook of its inhabitants, even in provincial cities. Where you'll have educated Parisians whose worldview can be too often limited to the hexagon, you just don't get that very often in Germany. And again, this is tied to history.

                        So where did you end out eating?

                        1. re: tmso
                          linguafood Jul 24, 2009 03:45 AM

                          Yah, that was my question, too! Ze suspense iz killing me...

                    2. re: Chinon00
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                      Marc Jun 24, 2009 11:20 AM

                      There are to types of local wines: Trollinger and Schiller. Both on the light-red side. They are not well known outside Wuerttemberg, because it is so good, that most of the pruduction is consumed locally and there is nothing left, to export to the rest of Germany or even abroad.

                      1. re: Marc
                        Chinon00 Jun 24, 2009 12:03 PM

                        Thanks. I enjoyed Spatburgunder and Limberger (sp?) while in Waiblingen in July 1999.

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                          Marc Jun 24, 2009 12:57 PM

                          Seems you get a second chance.

              2. Pata_Negra Jun 24, 2009 06:16 AM

                aim for regional food. eat Schwabisch food in Stuttgart of course. try Spätzle and Maultaschen [you might not like gnocchi and ravioli after this...].

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                  medorand Jul 1, 2009 04:42 AM

                  I wish I had seen your post sooner. I just went to Berlin last weekend and had the best German food of my life at Englebecken in Charlottenburg. Here's the menu: http://www.engelbecken.de/menu.pdf. I actually wound up eating there twice in 3 days after a disappointing dinner at Dikeman, so we tried most of the menu and could not fault it. My favorites were the white herring served with a really creamy potato/apple/pickle salad, and the wiener schnitzle (it's HUGE) with a totally different but equally as divine potato salad. The beer and wine lists are fantastic as well. Please go, EVERYONE! It's incredible.

                  1. IFS2008 Jul 13, 2009 01:05 PM

                    Most of the answers on the history of German High-End Dining can be found on my blog High-End Food (see my profile)

                    Berlin: Margaux is surely among the best places in Germany. It is at three star level - Michelin needs to catch up. Many knowledgable friends went in the last couple of months and were absolutely stunned. My experience is also on High-End Food.

                    Reinstoff is a new venture of former Amador staff - modern and with a witty take on regional products. Clearly a must!

                    Only a short train ride from Berlin we find Aqua in Wolfsburg where Sven Elverfeld does great things, inspiring modern interpretations of traditional German dishes. Simply wonderful.

                    Stuttgart - Wielandshöhe is maybe closest to German cuisine. Alos, thry Gasthaus zur Linde in Pliezhausen. Definetely worth a visit.

                    Enjoy!

                    1. linguafood Jul 23, 2009 03:20 AM

                      Still waiting with baited breath to hear about your final destiations! Need to know where all that high-end, 100% German, mind-blowing food can be found '-D

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                      1. re: linguafood
                        linguafood Jul 27, 2009 03:22 AM

                        Seriously, dude. No keeping secrets here! What's the scoop, or has your mind been blown entirely?

                        1. re: linguafood
                          linguafood Aug 20, 2009 08:12 AM

                          Really. Shouldn't you share your experiences with the rest of the CH crowd?

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                        eatingraoul Aug 25, 2009 11:33 AM

                        I had a nice meal at this place.....Although the food might be french influenced it tasted very german!

                        http://cgi.alpenstueck.de/user-cgi-bi...

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                        1. re: eatingraoul
                          linguafood Aug 25, 2009 12:44 PM

                          Looks decidedly German to me. Did they have an English menu?

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                          Nickyboy Aug 26, 2009 06:35 AM

                          I can't speak for Stuttgart proper but there is restaurant (can't remember the name) in nearby Ludwigsburg on the east side of main square where I had the best meal of my lifetime (rabbit with lingon berry sauce and hazelnut spaetzle!).

                          In Berlin for authentic try "Zur Letzer Instanz" near the Alexander Platz. It's the oldest restaurant in Berlin and about as authentic as it gets. You can also take the S-bahn out to the Nikolassee neighborhood and eat at the Blockhaus Nikolskoe for more German food served outdoors on the patio above the lake.

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