628709 Wed Jun 17 07:39:01 -0700 2009 17 42 U.K./Ireland 0 4780820 Hi all, My first post here but I have been lurking for a while reading lots of good foodie posts...I have been tearing my hair out trying to find a Zojirushi water boiler/heater for sale in the UK. I've recently come back from some travelling in Asia and one of the hostels I stayed in had one for the residents and it was great. I love the idea of having hot water all the time but when I looked in the shops out there I couldn't find a Zojirushi one anywhere. I really hope someone can help me and point me to a retailer which sells them - I drink so much tea/hot water I'm fed up of boiling a kettle and I didn't even know these boilers exist until my trip away! I think they would probably be good for saving money too, my dad always says that boiling a kettle too much will cost electricity? Thank you to anyone who can help Amie x Wed Jun 17 07:39:02 -0700 2009 1084517 amielou 1 4781073 How much electricity can it cost to use an electric kettle that boils in about 1 minute for a cup of tea? Is this like the taps in America that produce hot water or is the Zojirushi some sort of kettle? I've never seen one. Wed Jun 17 08:53:11 -0700 2009 4780820 11939 zuriga1 2 4781137 No it's not a tap, I have attached a photo from Zojirushi's website so you can see what I mean. Boiling a kettle every time you use it does use a lot of electricity if you do it enough times. What I am looking for is a kettle type which once boiled keeps the water hot (just below boiling) and you just press a button to dispense...there is a vaccuum that keeps it hot. Wed Jun 17 09:12:13 -0700 2009 4781073 1084517 amielou 3 4781272 Hi Amie Is this the sort of thing you are looking for? www.yumasia.co.uk/csq22.html There are 2 different sizes. I bought a rice cooker from this company a while ago and thought I remembered seeing something like the photo you posted. I think this is the closest to what you want? Hope this helps Dan Wed Jun 17 09:53:54 -0700 2009 4781137 226057 danbry 4 4781348 YES!!!! That's it...I'm so happy now I know where to get one from. Wow, I never thought someone would actually be able to help, I did think it was a lost cause. Thank you sooooo much, Dan for the link Amie xx Wed Jun 17 10:18:54 -0700 2009 4781272 1084517 amielou 3 4782193 Ah, now I understand having seen the website. I asked my husband about it as he lived in Japan for many years, and he said it was like a thermos. I'm glad someone knew where you can get one! I'm an American so an electric kettle is a big step up for me. :-) Wed Jun 17 14:05:27 -0700 2009 4781137 11939 zuriga1 1 4781577 What a coincidence, another request for Zojirushi product availability in the UK, in such a short space of time....! I wonder if it is really more efficient than a kettle in which you boil what you need, or is it simply efficient compared to other "hot water urns"...? (and yes i do understand the physics of boiling water in a vacuum) Wed Jun 17 11:26:54 -0700 2009 4780820 64584 PhilD 2 4783535 It's a how you use it kind of question. When I've worked in Asia, its used for perpetually refilling green tea as and when required. Thu Jun 18 00:28:30 -0700 2009 4781577 236726 mr_gimlet 3 4783537 In an office I agree. But at home...? Thu Jun 18 00:33:40 -0700 2009 4783535 64584 PhilD 2 4783540 Because of the insulating properties of a vacuum the asian water heaters I think they would be more energy efficient than a standard kettle. According to the specs, the Zojirushi kettles use about 27W of power per day on standby to keep it warm compared to around 2400W per standard kettle boil....see this link for information http://www.infomania.co.uk/archives/tag/cost .I guess that with ordinary kettles we boil too much water for what we need and they are not insulated so this wastes electric compared to the vacuum style of water heater? I can see the logic in having one. Let us know what you think of it amie. Thu Jun 18 00:38:26 -0700 2009 4781577 226057 danbry 3 4783568 I don't agree. The Zojirushi uses 27 w per hour (not per day - see page 16 of the instructions). According to my calcs that is 0.65 kwh per day, add to that it takes 25 minutes to boil the water to start with (2 litres only), assume the whole 785 watts of power is used in doing that, so that adds a further 0.33 kwh based on one boiling cycle a day. So in total it is approx. 1 kwh (or one unit of electricity) a day to run the Zojirushi. According to Danbry's link my kettle (also a 2400 watt model) uses 0.09 kwh per use. So if you boil a kettle more than 10 times a day the water heater beats the kettle, but if you are a regular domestic user you probably use it less than this, and obviously if you don't overfill the kettle it will be cheaper. The kettle stats are for 1.5 litres of water a time whilst the Zojirushi figures are only for 2 litres a day, refill the Zojirushi and the price will escalate quite quickly; unplug the Zojirushi overnight and you will save a little, but remember it will need 25 mins to boil water for a morning coffee or tea. Thu Jun 18 01:47:59 -0700 2009 4783540 64584 PhilD 4 4783577 Not only the above, but the Zojirushi is probably three times the cost of a kettle. Does one really save that much if you factor that in? They might be OK for office use but at home, I rarely use my kettle more than twice a day or maybe three times. Thu Jun 18 02:06:59 -0700 2009 4783568 11939 zuriga1 4 4783640 To have the hot water 'on demand' is a real bonus or me. I work from home and to have the hot water ready is a real plus. From what you say if I boil my ordinary kettle regularly (around 10 times per day) then the Zojirushi water heater would be a good buy for me and is more energy efficient. I often overfill my kettle and dont use the water I heat. I like a few cups of tea /coffee per day. I can see I would save money using the Zojirushi so Im going to purchase today. Will report back on how I find it in a little while. Thx all for the advice. Thu Jun 18 04:21:23 -0700 2009 4783568 1084517 amielou 2 4783548 I thought that too. Thu Jun 18 00:50:50 -0700 2009 4781577 247185 batfink23 1 4797567 How about acquiring a Quooker boiling water tap? http://www.quooker.com/ Tue Jun 23 07:04:17 -0700 2009 4780820 28263 oonth 2 4800798 Thx for the tip. I'd never seen Quooker before but £700+ is way out of my price range. Anyway, to report back I got the Zojirushi CSQ22 water heater and its really good. I have very hot water whenever I need it for my tea and coffee and use it for instant soups and noodles. I've booted my old cordless kettle into the bin. Hot water at the touch of button makes perfect sense and maybe it will save on my electric bills also. The water heater boils only once a day and the vacuum insulation does the rest to keep the water hot so I feel like I may be energy saving as well. I like it! Wed Jun 24 00:18:00 -0700 2009 4797567 1084517 amielou 3 4800858 funnily enough i was never in doubt that you would buy this brand, and that you would love it. Wed Jun 24 02:22:57 -0700 2009 4800798 247185 batfink23 4 4800915 ....however whether it saves money or not is a moot point, you bought it because you liked it. Nothing wrong with that. Wed Jun 24 03:26:51 -0700 2009 4800858 64584 PhilD