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Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 02:22 PM

The Calgary Farmer's Market has tentatively found a new location...

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Life/Far...

...and it seems most people aren't happy about it (read the comments).

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  1. howlin RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 04:54 PM

    i like the new location,closer to me and it gets me out of the traffic circus that is curry barracks.too crazy.mabye with crossroads being close ,that will lower some off those stupidly high for no good reason prices that the cfm dares to subject people with.has my vote

    1. howlin RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 05:16 PM

      mbye i missed the comments you read ,but all the one that i seen in the artical were pro move.what gives ?

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        howlin RE: howlin Jun 7, 2009 05:24 PM

        oops premature ,my scroll down wasnt working didnt see the comments ,however i do disagree with some (someone complained that it would be in an industrial park and would not be a new grandville or something like that ,any one see that big ugly concrete truck infested eyesore in the middle of grandville?

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          Leibowitz RE: howlin Jun 7, 2009 05:31 PM

          I was hoping for something more central with decent transit access (I can drive there, but a lot of people can't), not that Currie was all that accessible to begin with. I was very pro-Victoria Park/Stampede, but Eau Claire would've been fine as well.

          I wonder what Wild Rose and J Webb will do with their Currie locations now. Think they'll follow?

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            howlin RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 05:42 PM

            transit would be nice

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              itwillmakeaturd RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 10:17 PM

              "I was very pro-Victoria Park/Stampede, but Eau Claire would've been fine as well."

              I am from Edmonton, not Calgary, but isn't parking a disaster in these areas? I agree a central/transit friendly location would be ideal, but I think the rent would be too high and they would deter some shoppers.

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                23skidoo RE: itwillmakeaturd Jun 8, 2009 08:46 AM

                Is parking a disaster in Eau Claire? I thought it was designed in the 80s specifically so people could park and shop at a market downtown. There's an underground garage, and a decent sized surface lot. (Unlike a suburban mall, you do have to pay to park there).

        2. worldwidestuff RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 05:34 PM

          Location is secondary.

          The farmers and vendors selling will be more important than anything.
          A good product mix at the new spot is key. Some businesses have been denied spots at the current location for fear of vendor duplication.
          Let's see what management will do at the new location.

          1. Jetgirly RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 06:48 PM

            It's really, really far from me. On a related note, does Northland Mall still have a farmer's market? I haven't been there in a few years (except for Cora's).

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              worldwidestuff RE: Jetgirly Jun 7, 2009 06:50 PM

              Tuesday afternoon in the parking lot.

            2. John Manzo RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 07:00 PM

              They gotta do what they gotta so.

              We've been rediscovering Crossroads lately since my partner has office space there now.

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                worldwidestuff RE: John Manzo Jun 7, 2009 07:21 PM

                There is a lady from Eastern Europe at Crossroads, her apple turnovers are fantastic.

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                  Leibowitz RE: John Manzo Jun 7, 2009 07:48 PM

                  John: How is the Crossroads these days? Haven't been there in years.

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                    John Manzo RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 08:37 PM

                    I haven't been there myself for maybe a year, but partner brings home tons of goodies- I am especially fond of Regina's sausages and those Turkish bureks (the potato ones). Business seems fine!

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                    nonlinear RE: John Manzo Jun 7, 2009 09:24 PM

                    yea, crossroads is awesome. IMO it's the only real "farmer's market" in the city. the barracks is nice too, but they are really two different concepts.

                    I'm happy the barracks market is moving to heritage and blackfoot, though. we live about a 3 minute drive from there. i'm expecting to see a lot more traffic in the area, but quick access to the market will more than make up for that :)

                  3. sarah galvin RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 08:23 PM

                    I like Crossroads, always have. It isn't all trendy or anything, but they remember you from week to week and that makes me feel good! Better case lots for canning and freezing, in season. Better prices, good selection, convenient for me. I like the indoor stuff - feels like another country with all its treasures.

                    1. maplesugar RE: Leibowitz Jun 7, 2009 09:45 PM

                      I heard about the tentative move this morning. Its just as far away from us as before... It'll be interesting to see what the vendor mix is like at the new location.

                      As for the negative comments... I don't think there's a location in Calgary that'd please everyone. Put it at the Stampede grounds and people will avoid it because they have to pay get in the gates and/or park (lets face it not everyone takes transit). Move it north and alienate those in the south and vice versa. For those in the north, AFAIK both Northlands and Hillhurst-Sunnyside markets are back up and running. http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/app21/rtw/...

                      In terms of CFM competing with Blackfoot and Crossroads - they already do really but each are unique in their own way. Blackfoot is seasonal and runs on a weeknight, Crossroads is part farmer's market, part flea market and offers unique vendors...

                      I'll be checking out all of the above this summer, and making use of my map and heading out to upicks and farms gate sales.

                      That's my $0.02 anyway.

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                        Leibowitz RE: maplesugar Jun 7, 2009 11:12 PM

                        Valid points all, maple. The transit thing is kind of a straw man anyway; as I mentioned, Currie wasn't practically accessible anyway. You're absolutely right about people being upset no matter where it wound up. I also felt the comments about the "atmosphere" on the Herald board were utterly useless and smacked of yuppie pomposity.

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                        Scary Bill RE: Leibowitz Jun 8, 2009 10:18 AM

                        Needed at the "New CFM"

                        1. Competition.
                        2. First hour free parking.
                        3. Competition.
                        4. Outside vendor stalls (REAL GROWERS ONLY) after Canadian harvests begin.
                        5. Competition.
                        6. Added transit on weekends.
                        7. Competition.
                        8. No franchises or national chains allowed.
                        9. Competition.
                        10. Outdoor Beer Gardens with local brews only allowed. (ok, somewhat anti-competitive, but I do believe in supporting the local effort)

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                          John Manzo RE: Scary Bill Jun 8, 2009 10:39 AM

                          What about competition?

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                            girlwithafork RE: Scary Bill Jun 8, 2009 11:11 AM

                            And bike lanes/racks.
                            And competition (aka better pricing)

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                              Scary Bill RE: girlwithafork Jun 8, 2009 12:11 PM

                              John and girl:

                              Yes, competition. Should have thought of it.

                              Should have thought of bike racks and better bike access too.

                              There also needs to be relatively less value-added product too. By that I mean less prepared food and more quite simply the best that the seasons permit and the hinterlands can offer. John I believe that you are familiar with Kensington, St Lawrence and perhaps even Downsview in Toronto. When I lived in Toronto, one of the things that always appealed to me about them was the relatively larger offering of meat, fish, and produce from several vendors of each, in addition to the necessary jam and jelly vendors.
                              Downsview is a really cheap rent market, so there were also a lot of inexpensive ethnic food take-outs in addition to the produce vendors and flea market vendors. I still have dreams about the home-made ginger beer. Not what the powers of the CFM are trying to create, it seems, but a bit more downscale and basic would round the place out for me.
                              My apologies for mentioning Toronto, but is is my only metric for comparison.

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                                Bagel Guy RE: Scary Bill Jun 8, 2009 04:43 PM

                                The current (and future) CFM management don't want to hear about competition (ie., consumer choice), so we can forget about that happening. Many current vendors won't be able to go to the new location because of "licensing" fees and infrastructure costs. Many won't be invited. Rents will increase (read the Herald article), so we can expect even higher prices. The remaining vendors, sadly, will not be the small independents. They won't be big chains, but they will have to make the same kind of investment as the big chains do just to get in. And, no, you won't see much in the way of competing products. Traffic will be a nightmare (do Google Earth and look around). I'm doing Crossroads with John and others. I suspect that's where the real Calgary market scene will develop.

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                                  23skidoo RE: Bagel Guy Jun 8, 2009 05:17 PM

                                  How is the Heritage Flea Market (I assume that's where the market is going) a traffic nightmare? There's access from Blackfoot (via 71 Ave SE) and Heritage (via 77 Ave SE). CFM has that problem where everyone tries to enter and exit via that inadequate interchange at Crowchild.

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                                    nonlinear RE: 23skidoo Jun 8, 2009 07:10 PM

                                    well, that area is already really congested. from blackfoot south, there is only a single left-turn lane entrance. to access from heritage, you must be driving west, which means you have to exit deerfoot to heritage, and drive through the deerfoot meadows mess (already a traffic nightmare). the additional traffic definitely isn't going to improve the already congested situation.

                                    EDIT: there is also VERY LITTLE parking, unless there is parking behind that i'm unaware of. maybe they plan to build a larger adjacent parking lot or something.

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                                      Bagel Guy RE: nonlinear Jun 9, 2009 11:12 AM

                                      With a feew changes, there will be space for parking behind the building, as well as the limited space in front. I'm told it could handle 600+ cars, which is what the current CFM does. Take a look at the satellite view from Mapquest or Google Earth.

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                            localeatscalgary RE: Leibowitz Jun 8, 2009 12:49 PM

                            The real question is whcih vendors are going to be invited to go to the new location. If you haven't read this article in FFWD weekly, take a look http://www.ffwdweekly.com/article/new... . There is a lot of politics at the CFM which I doubt can be overcome.

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                              Leibowitz RE: localeatscalgary Jun 8, 2009 02:24 PM

                              Wow, that's a pretty grim assessment of what's going on there right now. Sounds like an incredible amount of dysfunction.

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                                Bagel Guy RE: localeatscalgary Jun 12, 2009 11:20 AM

                                The Fast Forward Weekly article which reported on CFM and its many vendors was removed by CFM management shortly after the newspaper's arrival there on Friday. It appears they didn't want anyone reading about happenings at the Market.

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                                  worldwidestuff RE: Bagel Guy Jun 12, 2009 02:07 PM

                                  THAT is pathetic, if true.

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                                    Bagel Guy RE: worldwidestuff Jun 12, 2009 02:12 PM

                                    My sources are good - and here's the FFWD story: http://www.ffwdweekly.com/article/new...

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                                      localeatscalgary RE: Bagel Guy Jun 19, 2009 10:55 AM

                                      The board of directors is at it again. Take a look at this, the 3rd article regarding the directors of the Calgary Farmers Market http://www.ffwdweekly.com/article/new...

                                      It's a shame that such a good market has such poor leadership. Obviously the only way they can keep their mafia control is by being bullies.

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