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ipse dixit Aug 26, 2004 12:31 AM

I was reading article somewhere (forget where though) about 100+ year old restaurants in NYC.

Are there any such places in LA? Relatedly, what's the oldest, longest running establishment? Just curious.

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    Ernie RE: ipse dixit Aug 26, 2004 01:35 AM

    Musso & Frank Grill opened in 1919

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      Ernie RE: Ernie Aug 26, 2004 01:43 AM

      And almost forgot, Cole's opened in 1908

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        Jack Flash RE: Ernie Aug 26, 2004 02:01 AM

        As did the other famous French Dip emporium, Philippe's.

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      Dorothy RE: ipse dixit Aug 26, 2004 10:11 AM

      That relative youngster, Taix, opened in 1926.

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        slowrider RE: Dorothy Aug 26, 2004 10:54 AM

        Lanza Bros. (deli/sandwiches) in Lincoln Heights - 1926 as well.

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        PayOrPlay RE: ipse dixit Aug 26, 2004 12:18 PM

        This question gets asked a lot and has always interested me, so I thought I would try to start something of a definitive list. (I was awake early this morning.)

        As the other responses indicate, there are apparently NO bona fide centenarian restaurants in LA (with the one possible exception of the Saugus Cafe, see below), and there won't be until the anniversaries of Philippe's and Cole's in 2008. La Golondrina's building is older--built in 1855, I believe--but the source linked below says the restaurant opened in 1924, which still makes it the oldest Mexican restaurant in town.

        This might seem odd because Los Angeles is actually older than most American cities (outside the original 13 colonies and New Mexico) but of course we are famous for our transience.

        The below list is close to definitive as to restaurants within the City of Los Angeles, but the documentation for other areas is less certain. After a lot of searches I stumbled across some references to the Saugus Cafe having been open since 1887 or 1888 or 1890, but it isn't clear to me (yet) if its operations were really continuous through the 19th century. Still, if this claim is true, it is distinctly older than anywhere else I've identified so far. The Mission Inn started being built in 1902, but I'm not sure how old the current restaurant space is (although LA Library has a menu from 1908), and there has certainly not been any continuity of ownership there, in any event; not to mention that Riverside has been officially excluded from L.A. in the official Chowhound Geography.

        Anywhere, here is a first draft of a list of places founded before 1930 that are still open:

        1887? Saugus Cafe
        1902-08? Mission Inn (Riverside)
        1908 Philippe, Cole's
        1918 White House (Laguna Beach)
        1919 Musso & Frank
        1920 Mijares (Pasadena), Barney's Beanery (W Hollywood)
        1921 Pacific Dining Car
        1922 The Arches (Newport Beach)
        1924 Original Pantry, La Golondrina
        1926 Cook's Corner (Trabuco Canyon--but not the same building that is there today)
        1927 El Cholo, Les Freres Taix

        A few places from the '30s (there are probably others):
        1931 Canter's (in Boyle Heights)
        1935 Clifton's
        1938 Lawry's, Tail O' the Pup

        By the way, the oldest Los Angeles menu at the wonderful LA Library website menu collection appears to be for the "First Annual Vintage Feast and Ball" at "Don Mateo Keller's, Alameda Street," November 29, 1875. (It's my understanding that Don Mateo Keller was the first winery owner in LA, and that he owned Malibu before the Rindge family bought it.) There's another one from Christmas 1886 for "The Stevenson House" at 1st & Los Angeles Streets. More menus and ads start showing up in the 1890s and 1900s, including my favorite, an 1897 ad for a place called "Al Levy's Oyster House"(!) at 111-113 West Third.

        And I noted menus for the Jonathan and California clubs from the early 1900s so if one wanted to include private club dining rooms they'd have to be added.

        Additions and emendations are solicited.

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          ipse dixit RE: PayOrPlay Aug 26, 2004 01:35 PM

          Very impressive list!

          Let me add one that just popped into my head.

          1936 Bob's Big Boy (Glendale)

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            Steve Doggie-Dogg RE: ipse dixit Aug 26, 2004 05:07 PM

            Unfortunately, Bobs is no longer on Colorado in Glendale. It's a mini mall now. Bobs number 2 on Broadway is a Chinese restaurant now, and Bobs number 3 in Eagle Rock is a Thai Restaurant. The oldest existing Bobs is in Toluca Lake, which I think was number 4. I believe it was built in the 40s.

            See ya
            Steve

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            Jerome RE: PayOrPlay Aug 26, 2004 06:10 PM

            There is also a banquet menu at the site from the Alexandria Hotel which still exists downtown, so would you include the "palm court" or the kitchen at the Alexandria?

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              PayOrPlay RE: Jerome Aug 27, 2004 03:45 PM

              Can you still get food at the Hotel Alexandria? Forgive my westsider ignorance. I have to admit I have never wandered in there during a downtown foray, and the only internet reports I can find about the place refer to the occasional felonies committed therein.

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                Jerome RE: PayOrPlay Aug 27, 2004 04:28 PM

                When I was in film school, I shot a project at the Alexandria. It's still a great location and was THE hotel in town at the turn of the (last) century. It's a hotel, they must serve food, but you're not going to see the banquets at the lapl website.
                The palm court is monument #80 on the cultural affairs dept list
                http://tinyurl.com/439jl
                then and now photos
                http://tinyurl.com/533rz
                and
                http://tinyurl.com/6mzxa
                for the menu (see? la food related)

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              ks RE: PayOrPlay Aug 26, 2004 11:14 PM

              Great detective work!

              If you extended the list beyond formal restaurants (some of my info could be sketchy, but...)

              1903 Fugetsudo Confectionery (Little Tokyo)
              1910 Mikawaya Confectionery (Little Tokyo)
              1917 San Antonio Winery
              1917 Grand Central Market (Downtown)
              1934 Original Farmers Market
              1938 Phoenix Bakery (Chinatown)

              See's opened their first store in LA in 1921 on Western, but I'm not sure where their oldest continually operating store is.

              Also Olvera St. opened in 1930, Golondrina moved there from somewhere else (not sure where!); El Paseo Inn has also been there since the beginning in 1930.

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                ks RE: ks Aug 26, 2004 11:32 PM

                another restaurant addition

                1934 the Galley (Santa Monica)

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                Gina RE: PayOrPlay Aug 29, 2004 07:11 AM

                Watson's in Orange - 1899 - started as a drugstore and later expanded to include a restaurant

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                Steve Doggie-Dogg RE: ipse dixit Aug 26, 2004 05:09 PM

                Greenblatt's Deli on Sunset?

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