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rspencer1220 Jun 4, 2009 11:05 PM

Small Home Bar

I'm sure that this topic has already been posted, but I was unable to find it. I want to start a solid home bar (vodka, tequila, rum, whiskey, gin) and I was wondering what specific brands everyone would recommend in the medium grade range ($15 - $25).

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    Canadian Tuxedo Jul 21, 2009 05:21 PM

    A lot of great suggestions so far. But in terms of your price range, if it is a hard ceiling than it might depend where you live.

    In the Boston area Plymouth originally sold for $20 or just below (in the Beefeater category). Now it is hard to find for less than $27--I've seen it for $25 at only one liquor store (though I am without car--so that limits my options).

    In any case, I personally like the juniper forward taste of Beefeater over Plymouth, which I feel is best used for cocktails where you want a subtle gin flavor. Not a huge fan of the Plymouth martini, especially with a lot of other interesting gins at the same (at least Boston-area) price range.

    1. jerryc123 Jul 15, 2009 10:17 PM

      The bar trade often uses terms like "well", "call", or "Top Shelf" to describe intangibles like quality, and price of spirits. Obviously, you don't want to use a Top Shelf spirit if you are mixing rum-and-cokes. It sounds like you are looking for something that you can make good quality cocktails with, occasionally drink staight, and not cry out loud if a guest pours half a bottle into a glass with Red Bull.

      Here are my (very opinionated) suggestions, based on my personal experience.

      Good (Well):
      Vodka: Smirnoff or Absolut or Ketel One
      Gin: Beefeater or Tanqueray
      Tequila: Jose Cuervo
      Scotch: Ballantine
      Bourbon: Jim Beam
      Rye: Old Overholt
      Brandy: E&J XO Vintage Reserve

      Better (Call):
      Vodka: Sobieski or Stolichnaya
      Gin: Gordons or Bombay Sapphire
      Tequila: Sauza
      Rum: Appleton Estates or Goslings
      Scotch: Ballantine
      Bourbon: Makers Mark
      Rye: Old Overholt
      Brandy: Hennessy

      Best (Top Shelf):
      Vodka: Zyr or Hangar One
      Gin: Plymouth
      Tequila: Herradura or Patron
      Rum: El Dorado Demera
      Scotch: Cragganmore or Balvenie
      Bourbon: Woodford Reserve or Buffalo Trace
      Rye: Old Overholt or Sazerac
      Brandy: Remy Martin

      On my blog, you can peek at what is in stock in my home bar.
      http://jerryc123.blogspot.com

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        emmaroseeats Jul 17, 2009 09:02 AM

        Love this 3 tiered break out and agree with most. (Except Bombay Sapphire - ugh! I hate that stuff. If I need a more floral gin for a martini I go with Hendricks...) I've got quite a collection but most of my spirits are of the clear variety with a heavy lean on gin. I will check out the Ryes and Bourbons recommended above. I am a new fan of unaged corn wiskey and have never really liked oaky tasting libations but I'm always open for broadening horizons.

        Also - I agree with JohnEO that the regular Tanqueray is better than the Tanqueray 10 but I use my Tanqueray mostly in G&Ts.

        I love Goslings Black Seal Rum for Dark and Stormies. Mmmmmm.

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          invinotheresverde Jul 21, 2009 08:16 AM

          There's never a reason to recommend Cuervo (or any other non 100% agave tequila). You can get 750ML of Cazadores for $20, which is just far superior.

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            JonParker Jul 21, 2009 11:36 AM

            The only problem I see is that you've broken some of them out by perceived quality rather than price. Gordon's costs less than Bombay Sapphire or Tanqueray at my liquor store, and Plymouth is in the same price range as the latter two. I use the less expensive Beefeater for mixed drinks and Plymouth for martinis. Boodles is also good. I tend to agree with having Old Overholt in all three though. I generally buy Wild Turkey ryr when I can't find the Old Overholt.

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              ac106 Jul 23, 2009 09:24 PM

              It’s funny how tastes are different. When I first read your list I wanted to challenge you to a duel. But now that I have cooled off, I will respond in a civil and respectful manner….

              Tequila: There is no discernable different between base Cuervo Gold and base Sauza Gold. If you are, for instance, comparing Sauza Hornitos to Cuervo Gold then I would agree but since you did not specify, I cannot assume this. Additionally I cannot find any reason to recommend a mixto when for a comparable price you can get 100% agave tequilas like Cazadores or Lunazul.

              As for your top shelf selection: Herradura or Patron…. Herradura is good stuff but not top shelf; it’s “Call” tequila at best.

              Patron. Ah Patron. The gateway drug of tequila. Look, I do not hate it the way the tequila snobs do but for the price there are an infinite amount of better choices.

              Vodka: Your choices are interesting. The New York Times would certainly disagree over Smiroff but I guess you are going on price with this. Absolut, Ketel One, Stoli etc. Aren’t they just interchangeable? I am unsure how you can really break them down the way you did.

              Gin: I like Plymouth but don’t see a big difference between Tanqueray & Sapphire. I guess this is more personable preference so again it’s hard to argue one is Well vs Call.

              Overall, you definitely made some great suggestions but it is hard for me to understand your pattern. It is partly by price but partly by preference. Either way is fine but your “well” suggestions aren’t all cheap and your Top Shelf suggestions aren’t all “top shelf”

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              onionhound Jul 13, 2009 09:54 PM

              A lot of great recommendations. I like:

              Vodka: Tito's (I love this stuff)
              Gin: Plymouth
              Tequila: Hornitos Reposado
              Whisky: Evan Williams 1783 or Rebel Yell
              Rum: Really depends on your preference
              Brandy: Korbel VSOP (By far the best for the price I've had)

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                Soybomb Jun 9, 2009 03:19 PM

                I think it depends on what you want to do with it and your palate. Personally I notice very little difference in vodkas and the cheap handle of burnetts will do just fine for the mixed vodka drinks I enjoy like the cape cod. If you like vodka martinis perhaps you'd want a higher end vodka.

                I love Plymouth gin and make gibsons with it, but its expense is wasted in a gin and tonic. In fact I might even prefer a little more traditional in your face juniper flavor for my gin and tonic than the plymouth gives. I personally stock both a cheap bottom shelf gin for such mixing and the plymouth for gibsons and martinis.

                Whiskey again is going to be a bit of a personal use thing. I don't see any reason to spend the money on knob creek, wild turkey, or makers mark just to have a guest pour it in a glass of coke. Again it might be preferable to have some favorite sipping spirits and a bottle of cheap mixer stuff for the appropriate drinks. I've not yet found a really good scotch for under $25 and I'm still experimenting with ryes.

                The short of it fancy packaging, known names, and high prices aren't always a necessity to make a quality cocktail. Don't be afraid to experiment, buy the bottom and middle shelf products, maybe try to do a blind test, honestly evaluate what differences in drinks you can taste. You may be surprised at how often you don't really have to use the top shelf product. I think a lot of people don't trust their taste and buy into a lot more brand hype than is necessarily true.

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                  wsj2day Jun 14, 2009 08:34 AM

                  Second the Plymouth for gin, as well as the thought of serving Makers Mark and/or Knob Creek to guests who will not be impressed by the label or the taste and waste it in a glass of coke. Personally, I tend to have a bottle of Jim Beam (white label) for 'drinkers' and Bakers/Bookers or Makers Mark for true imbibers. I wouldn't stock your home bar with inexpensive liquors however, primarily because you will be drinking it as well as your guests (and more since it is YOUR bar) and would you really enjoy the drink if you felt the ingredients were in someway inferior? Just a thought

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                  JonParker Jun 6, 2009 04:34 PM

                  I do not drink all spirits, but I agree that the Smirnoff is a perfectly acceptable and affordable vodka. I'd go with Plymouth gin -- it fits in your price range and is to my mind absolutely perfect.

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                    phantomdoc Jun 6, 2009 04:47 PM

                    I second the Plymouth Gin. Wins many taste tests as well as my home taste test against Tanq 10 which cost about twice as much.
                    I would also recommend Ron Del Barilito 3 star Rum from Puerto Rico. Very low priced and when on a cruise to P.R. they had a "hospitality house" ( a free bar that had every rum on the island). After tasting 25 rums the RDB was the standout. It has a fine whiskey complexity and still maintains that true rum base. At $11 a bottle I bought 3 bottles in the Duty Free store adjacent to the ship dock.

                    If you want to go a little higher I would try Woodford Reserve for you bourbon. Holds its own with many bourbons at double the price.

                    Getting thirsty?

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                      BarmyFotheringayPhipps Jun 6, 2009 09:01 PM

                      Third Plymouth gin and would adds Luksusowa vodka: it regularly beats out expensive super-premium vodkas in blind taste tests.

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                        JohnE O Jun 7, 2009 07:51 AM

                        I think that regular Tanqueray is better than the 10.

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                          Coconuts Jun 7, 2009 07:37 PM

                          Ron del Barrilitos Three Star is really good stuff, but it's really hard to find in the continental US, and considerably higher priced. The cheapest I've seen is around $25, plus shipping (DH and I are rummies, and we've been hunting for it). It's still worth it for that, but it's not the screaming deal that we got in PR. It was our introduction to really good rum.

                          Do you want a mixing rum, or a sipping rum? Are you thinking of mixing with Coke, or making mojitos?

                          Angostura 1919 is a decent all-around rum- it's good enough to sip, but not so good that it's a waste to mix it.

                          I've heard good things about the Ron Diplomatico Reserva, which is in your price range, but I don't remember it. Their Reserva Exclusiva is my favorite sipping rum- drinkupny.com carries it for $29.

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                            rspencer1220 Jun 7, 2009 11:10 PM

                            Mostly mixing, I just want to build a good knowledge of mixed drinks in general, that' brings up another good question though. Is there a point where it becomes wasteful to use certain liquors in mixed drinks and instead they should only be sipped?

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                              ed1066 Jun 8, 2009 02:31 PM

                              I think this depends on what type of cocktails you are making. For ones that really feature the flavor of the primary spirit (such as a whisky sour, old fashioned, gimlet, mint julep, etc.) I don't think you can get away with a cheap liquor. If the cocktail has more flavors from other ingredients (such as margaritas, pina coladas, mojitos, etc.) then you can probably go with a lower end spirit. I would not use a top of the line booze for anything other than drinking neat or on the rocks, but that's just my opinion.

                              Here's an example from my own mixing habits:

                              1) I'm drinking a bourbon neat - Booker's, Elijah Craig 18, Hirsch 16
                              2) I'm making a manhattan, sour or on the rocks with water - Basil Hayden, Wild Turkey 101, Elijah Craig 12, Maker's Mark
                              3) I'm mixing bourbon into lemonade - Jim Beam, Jack Daniels (I know it's not a bourbon), Rebel Yell, etc.

                              Get it?

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                                phantomdoc Jun 9, 2009 06:50 AM

                                I take exception with the Margarita comment. Using a 100% blue agave and Cointreau and fresh lime juice makes a noticeably better Margarita.

                                A great classic rum flavor for mixing and cooking for me is Goslings from Bermuda. Also not expensive. I usually will not mix the Ron Del Barrilito 3 star.

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                                  ed1066 Jul 23, 2009 07:28 PM

                                  Agree on your margarita comment, I meant lower end but still 100% agave (like a Cazadores or El Jimador). I absolutely will not drink tequila if it isn't 100% agave. The mixto stuff is just garbage, and makes me feel ill if I drink it.

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                        ac106 Jun 5, 2009 05:03 AM

                        My Recs for the budget bar:

                        Vodka: Smirnoff
                        Gin: Beefeater
                        Tequila: Cazadores Reposado
                        Rum: Ron Abuelo Anejo
                        Scotch: JW Black
                        Bourbon: Buffalo Trace
                        Brandy E&J XO Vintage Reserve

                        Thats a start anyway. :)

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                          JohnE O Jun 5, 2009 05:18 AM

                          I'd switch out Tito's for Smirnoff and Elijah Craig or Bulleit for Buffalo Trace. Other than that I'd be happy with ac106's suggestions. You could even go cheaper on the gin and use Barnett's.

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                            rspencer1220 Jun 6, 2009 04:16 PM

                            Awesome, Thanks!

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