624489 Tue Jun 02 10:04:25 -0700 2009 25 41 Cookware 0 4735806 Does anyone use a manual grinder for a press pot on a regular basis? I'm looking for a reliable way to coarse grind my coffee for under $50. I searched this board and Googled a little, but it seems like hand cranking has typically been too labor intensive for regular use. But I'm holding out hope that new technology has changed this. Yes/no? Tue Jun 02 10:04:25 -0700 2009 11577 Pei 1 4736595 you might have to expand your budget a bit to get a good quality hand grinder. These have been around for a long time and seem to have staying power. http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.zas.php#zassenhaus.faq Tue Jun 02 13:33:42 -0700 2009 4735806 74192 chuckl 1 4737032 While Sweet Marias is a good place to buy coffee, I think I could suggest an alternative link to find a grinder. www.orphanespresso.com These guys refurb and repair all the grinders, but what's morel, they actually can tell you about how they are in practice. What I mean is that they will tell you the grind variety available, the difficulty in grinding (ie. the strength required) and even how many turns of the crank it takes to grind 7 grams (one cup) of coffee. You will not find a more knowledgeable, respectable, or FAIR dealer in these products. /not affiliated, just a fan. Tue Jun 02 15:58:32 -0700 2009 4735806 202467 Zedeff 2 4737684 thanks, Zedeff, always good to have more resources. You might also check home barista and coffee geek and chris's coffee Tue Jun 02 20:20:02 -0700 2009 4737032 74192 chuckl 1 4742603 I have one. It's not labor intensive at all. I'm a weak, 105 lb woman with skinny arms. Thu Jun 04 11:54:32 -0700 2009 4735806 74905 jaykayen 2 4743213 Which one do you have? Thu Jun 04 15:24:03 -0700 2009 4742603 11577 Pei 3 4743681 I have a Zassenhaus. Thu Jun 04 18:28:22 -0700 2009 4743213 74905 jaykayen 1 4743454 Here's one that's gotten pretty good reviews: www.camanocoffeemills.com up in Washington - right in your price range too! Or you could try your luck on ebay or your local flea markets for an old, west-german Zassenhaus grinder. Thu Jun 04 16:57:09 -0700 2009 4735806 160840 can_i_try_some 2 4767630 I have had the small Camano mill for a few years. I bought a much more decorative one for my brother as a gift, but I don't think they make it anymore. The little mill with a pint jar is just perfect. Fri Jun 12 13:41:26 -0700 2009 4743454 16407 Jane917 3 4782847 I just purchased the Camano mill after learning about it on this board. I'm pleasantly surprised at how well it works - consistent grind, solid construction, an overall great buy! Wed Jun 17 17:58:51 -0700 2009 4767630 11434 FlyerFan 1 4761052 I bit the bullet and bought a Hario Skerton manual grinder. It's made in Japan, $50 (I probably paid a premium buying it at a Blue Bottle retail location instead of shopping around on line), and works fine. Pretty even grind for a French press. Caveat: I like my French press coffee a little finer than most people do. http://shop.browncoffeeco.com/product.sc;jsessionid=58A68E45EA6A0412F182716F8FD7C5B9.qscstrfrnt03?productId=110 PROS: -very easy to use and ergonomic. No difficultly grinding at all, even at its finest setting -the conical burr grinders are 100% ceramic -the entire thing is dishwasher safe, which seems crazy to me -very sturdy glass construction -rubber base stays on counter while I grind. It almost creates a suction cup effect, actually -no noise and no mess. I used to have an electric burr grinder. It was not only noisy, it sprayed a fine dust of coffee around its base whenever used. CONS -definitely doesn't grind fine enough for espresso -there aren't even numbers to denote how fine or coarse the grind will be, so there's no way to know what's going to come out of your grinder without putting some beans in. Two problems: you'll waste beans, and unless you use the same brewing method every single day you'd soon drive yourself crazy turning the little nuts and bolts trying to change between grinds. There aren't any numbers so you can't even memorize "my drip machine is 5 and my French press is 2," for example Wed Jun 10 14:46:58 -0700 2009 4735806 11577 Pei 2 4762051 I had the same experience with a Zassenhaus. Great for drip grinds, but for finer grinds you need to crank a hell of a lot more per spoonful, and you can't get very close to espresso at all. Wed Jun 10 20:28:11 -0700 2009 4761052 53530 Zeldog 1 4765290 There is no advance in technology over the high quality Peugeot or Zassenhaus burr grinders. They are labor intensive, especially on morning wake up. If you want less labor, an old flywheel grinder will work. There are many appearing on eBay, but few being made now. They were developed for small grocers, who would grind you a half pound , a century ago. Thu Jun 11 19:36:31 -0700 2009 4735806 56131 jayt90 1 4776670 Here's old technology working really well for my morning coffee: stone Quern. http://www.cwtrades.com/page/1450g/Stone_Grinding.html It doesn't take much muscle to grind, and can have different coarse levels, but all in the technique of the person grinding - how much to feed at first, the speed of the rotation, how often to feed. Tue Jun 16 00:25:49 -0700 2009 4735806 10422 HLing 2 4776813 Interesting. I wonder if these grinders show up in Asian markets or Chinatown? Worth looking for. Tue Jun 16 04:29:02 -0700 2009 4776670 56131 jayt90 3 4777852 I've not seen it anywhere in NYC's Asian markets. The initial learning curve is steep (though the grinders themselves are inexpensive) as i tried to muscle my way and turn it the wrong way, and wonder if that stone smell will ever go away...etc. Now i have a large, medium and small, each for different things to grind. They are great for wet grinding as well, which opens up a brand new world in cooking. But yes, definitely worth looking for. Tue Jun 16 09:55:04 -0700 2009 4776813 10422 HLing 1 4789349 This is a link to the grind I'm achieving with my $50 Hario hand cranked conical burr grinder. Is this considered an even grind? http://www.chezpei.com/uploaded_images/DSCN9821-703112.JPG Fri Jun 19 22:48:01 -0700 2009 4735806 11577 Pei 2 4789402 no Fri Jun 19 23:56:22 -0700 2009 4789349 11003 chipman 2 4789861 Your beans may be too brittle, from a slow roast. I had a batch like that, roasted in a wok over charcoal for about 12 minutes. The grind comes out very uneven, whether by Zass or KA burr. Sat Jun 20 07:37:10 -0700 2009 4789349 56131 jayt90 3 4789908 You might be making this more complicated then it really is. I don't believe Pei is roasting her own beans. Manual grinders are not all equal. The original Zass's are better then the current ones and some of the other brands have their own issues. The Photo showed a grind that was far to coarse for any kind of brewing. Maybe Pei could tighten up the grind a bit and post another photo. By the way, that photo was quite excellent. Sat Jun 20 07:58:21 -0700 2009 4789861 11003 chipman 4 4789954 My Zass is mid 20th century, and these brittle beans are the only ones it can't handle. The coffee is still quite good, but 20% more has to be used. By Monday it will be gone. Sat Jun 20 08:19:19 -0700 2009 4789908 56131 jayt90 5 4791496 I think I enlarged the photo so much that it's completely unrealistic...will try for a better shot. Sat Jun 20 22:16:23 -0700 2009 4789954 11577 Pei 6 4792491 It doesn't really have anything to do with the resizing of the image. The grinds are clearly uneven. Attached is an example of an even espresso grind. Then again, you use a French press for brewing, so you get a lot more leeway when it comes to the grind. If you were making espresso, then grind consistency would be critical. Bottom line: If you like the taste of your coffee, then you're fine. I would suggest that you play a bit with the adjustments to see if you can tell the difference in taste. Sun Jun 21 12:34:00 -0700 2009 4791496 160840 can_i_try_some 7 4794561 Oh, I definitely would not use the Hario to attempt espresso. I have tinkered with its various settings and had success with a cone filter machine and the French Press. At best I think I could use a Vietnamese filter or stovetope mokka pot. But I only use the FP on a daily basis, so this works for me. I've noticed that grinding more slowly results in a more even grind, and that as I set the grind finer I get a more even grind as well. It's perfectly serviceable for me, it's more intellectual curiosity at this point. I think next time I'm at a coffee shop I'll ask to see their FP grind. Mon Jun 22 08:30:23 -0700 2009 4792491 11577 Pei 2 4790395 It seems that I've neglected my other manual grinder when I got the stone grinder. I got this first one online a while back and had planned to travel with it since obviously the stone grinder would be too heavy to bring with me. This disc grinder is well-designed both for carrying and for grinding. You rotate the discs, which have 3 parts (or 4 if you add the filter) with a magnet in the center keeping it together while rotating. It has an optional filter to filter out grounds that are too fine, though that adds an inch to the body of the grinder, which without the 4th ring is about 2 inches tall. I'll let the pictures talk for themselves. Also included one picture of the grounds from the Stone Quern, which is capable of much finer grounds. Sat Jun 20 12:04:11 -0700 2009 4789349 10422 HLing 1 4792537 I have a Toastmaster hand grinder which was cheap, but not the slightest bit consistent. It also has no setting so I have to time my grinding by verbally counting. I saw an electric burr grinder (which Alton Brown says is better for an even grind than the blade grinders) for $50 at Bed, Bath, &Beyond, and I have a 20% off coupon, so that's my next payday purchase. Sun Jun 21 13:00:45 -0700 2009 4735806 322300 Michelly