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May 31, 2009 05:18 PM

Dress Code and Prices

Hi my name is Henrique, I'm from Brazil and I have a little of doubts... I'll travel to Manhattan in june. So I'd like to know if just a jacket is enough to have a dinner in Daniel or Per Se, or it needs to wear a tie too?

My last question is how much must I expect to spend in Daniel or Per Se, for a couple, ordering a bottle of wine?



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  1. Henrique, first thing you might want to do is make reservations via

    Per jackets are required and ties are suggested for gentlemen. Six course tasting is $175pp/+$95pp for wine pairings and eight course is $195/pp/+$110pp for wine pairings. notes reservations are accepted 2 months in advance and indicates lunch $175pp, dinner $275 pp.

    Tax and tips would be additional (not sure if Per Se prices include gratuity).


    1. Henrique,

      I see this is your first post on Chowhound. Welcome!

      Following up on the information financialdistrictresident gave you....

      per se serves the 9-course menu both at lunch and at dinner. In both instances, it is $275pp, and the gratuity *is included*. The 5-course menu for $175pp (gratuity included) is served at lunch only. How much wine will cost depends on what you select. Jacket are required but not ties. Dinner is served 7 days a week, lunch only on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

      The basic menu at Daniel is a 3-course prix fixe for $105pp, with wine pairing for $60pp. The gratutity (an appropriate amount would be 20%) is *not* included. When it comes to wine by the bottle, again, the cost will depend on what is selected. Daniel serves dinner only, Monday - Saturday.

      NYC tax @ nearly 9% is always additional.

      I hope you have a wonderful visit to NYC and Bon Appetit!

      17 Replies
      1. re: RGR

        Thank you RGR and financialdistrictresident,
        I'll try to book tomorrow, but I think that the PerSe will be diffiult... 2 months in advance, and my travel will be in two weeks,

        Let me ask you one thing: beyond Per Se and Daniel would you recommend any other restaurant? Any umissable?
        Thanks again.


        1. re: hctupper

          My personal upscale/fine dining favorites are Robuchon and Falai (a tiny place on the LES so the atmosphere is not the same as uptown fine dining restaurants). If you do a search of this Board you can find reports. While I have not been in awhile, The Modern Dining Room was one of my best dining experiences ever. I believe RGR went recently and had a very good experience. I went to Eleven Madison Park (EMP) for lunch yesterday and enjoyed it a great deal. I would pass on Corton, one of the newer, trendy restaurants (call for reservations vs. Some threads that may help you decide follow below.


          Corton (& The Modern Dining Room):

          L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon (there are many more threads if you want to search the Board. The best advice we got from a hound was to order ala carte vs. the tasting menu):

          Went to Gordon Ramsay dining room earlier this year and we had a good experience. I have not been to Chanterelle in a long time but remember the food being excellent (dining room is a bit formal for me).

          The following restaurants are rated exceptional/4 stars by the NY Times: Per Se, Masa, Le Bernardin, Daniel, JG.

          It has been a long time since I've had the pleasure of travelling to Brazil for business.

          Welcome to NYC and enjoy!


          1. re: financialdistrictresident

            thank you again. By the way if you come back again to Brazil you can ask wich are the best here, okay.


          2. re: hctupper

            Henrique - why don't you try Jean-Georges at lunchtime - they have a wonderful prix fixe lunch special. Also, Bouley would be a lovely choice in Tribeca.

            1. re: LBNJNY

              LBNJNY, that's a great idea. Let me add Eleven Madison Park for lunch as a nother possibility. Went yesterday and it was lovely.

            2. re: hctupper


              One of the problems with using OpenTable for reserving at per se is that, while you can find reservations for 4 people (checked, and there are several two weeks from now), you will rarely find a reservation for just 2 people because the restaurant does not usually give those to OpenTable. So, if there will be only two of you, when you get to NYC, call the restaurant directly, and you may find that they have an opening. Also, it's generally easiest to get a reservation for dinner on Mon., Tues., and Wed., and lunch on Sunday.

              I definitely agree with fdr's recommendation of Eleven Madison Park. It is our favorite NYC restaurant. The cuisine is sensational cuisine; the wine list is superb; service is cordial and polished; and the space is gorgeous!


              I also highly recommend Veritas. The cuisine is stellar, the wine list is one of the most extraoridary in the city, service is excellent. and the intimate space has very appealing minimalist decor.


              1. re: RGR

                Per Se also serves dinner in the Salon 7 nights a week, if I understand correctly - if you can't secure a reservation, you can at least drop in and order a la carte.

                1. re: pizzajunkie

                  True. But I, for one, will not eat in the salon unless they install tables and chairs. Prices aren't exactly inexpensive, and sitting on a couch eating my food hunched over a coffee table isn't my idea of comfortable fine dining.

                  1. re: RGR

                    The Salon at Per Se is also open for lunch friday, saturday, and sunday. I do agree with RGR it is not the most comfortable environment, but it is more comfortable than some of the bars I have eaten at in the city. The Salon is also a nice, relaxing, place for drinks as well.

                    1. re: sethd

                      I didn't know the Salon was open for lunch on Friday, Saturday and Sunday too! Thanks for that information!! As for comfort, if that's the only way I can enjoy the privilege of dining at Per Se, I will gladly hunch over a coffee table to do it, LOL!

                      1. re: pizzajunkie

                        I'm not sure if the salon is open for lunch or just during dinner service on the weekend. Best to call and ask.

                        1. re: RGR

                          RGR, The Salon is definitely open for lunch on the weekend. I have had lunch there on various fridays, saturdays, and sundays and was not dining alone either.

                          1. re: sethd

                            I'm not at all surprised that people are taking advantage of the a la carte menu as opposed to the set menu(s) at a set price in the salon. The idea of having more control of how much you order is appealing. The problem, as I see it, is that since the portions are rather small, unless you are there for a snack and not a meal -- or eat like the proverbial bird -- it will take quite a few dishes to fill you up. Thus, you can end up with a pretty hefty check.

                            1. re: RGR

                              thanks for the info, sethd and RGR!! good point, RGR.

                2. re: RGR

                  . . .and was impossible for Corton. Luckily a hound suggested I call.

                  1. re: financialdistrictresident

                    Actually, it's now easier to reserve Corton via OpenTable, although getting prime time may still be difficult. I agree, though, that calling directly is the best way to go.

            3. Jus go to Eleven Madison Park. I no joke had one of the best EXPERIENCES of my life there. Read my review....


              12 Replies
                1. re: steakrules85

                  By the way, I write a blog about good restaurants in Brazil. If you want, after I have my expeiences in Manhattan, I can write what I eat and take some picutes of my dishes.
                  What do you think?

                  1. re: hctupper

                    Please let us know where you end up and report back on your experience.

                    1. re: hctupper

                      Please do post your experiences and photos here in this thread, or in another thread that you might wish to start on this board, Everyone reading along would greatly appreciate your perspective on our local dining scene.

                      1. re: The Chowhound Team

                        Hi my friends I have just come back to Brazil and I would say that I had an outstanding gastronomic experience in Manhattan.
                        Per Se at the lunch is amazing. The view and the food were terrific.
                        Eleven Madison Park's Duck is unbeatable. I'll repeat: unbeatable.
                        Old Homestead's Porterhouse is Marvelous. And very interesting that in this house they respect the order... If you order your steak well done is well done. There are some places that you order well done and the steak come almost raw.
                        I also went to Spice Market and Buddakhan... Both very good. I prefered the Spice Market.
                        Lately I'd like to say about Charles restaurant. Very good, although I have heard that one newspaper had written bad things about the Charles.
                        I'll try write some things in my Blog in english about my experiences.
                        Thanks everyone for all tips. Sorry by my terrible english.
                        Unfortunately I could not go to Daniel neither go to the Brooklin's Pizzaria (I forgot its name but it is located on the corner between Carrol street and Henry street).
                        In my next trip I will. bye.

                        1. re: hctupper

                          Thanks for reporting back. Glad to hear that you enjoyed Eleven Madison Park. Yes, that duck is unmatchable and memorable!

                          Note that most steak aficionados here don't order their steaks well done. Rare or medium rare is the decided preference.

                          Btw, no need to apologize for you English. You do a very good job of making yourself understood.

                          1. re: RGR

                            Hey R
                            Just curious what is dress like at EMP for lunch. We are going this friday, our first time and we're very excited.

                            1. re: AC Captain

                              Hey, AC Captain,

                              There are some "suits", i.e., business folks, but you can dress casually. I've even seen guys in jeans.

                              You're in for a treat! Enjoy and Bon Appetit!

                              1. re: AC Captain

                                Jeans and a button down are perfectly fine.

                              2. re: RGR

                                Just to note: I love the steaks rare or medium rare, but unfortunately my girlfriend loves well done... Unfortunetely cause I have to share with her! LOL.

                                1. re: hctupper

                                  Hi my friends

                                  I have just read the S.Pellegrino's 50 best restaurants in the world list 2010. I could see that the Eleven Madison Park joined in the list - wonderful duck.
                                  One Brazilian restaurant is in the lis as well: D.O.M. It is São Paulo (I live in another state, in Rio de Janeiro) and unfortunately I d'ont know it.
                                  I could see anothers NY restaus in the 50 awarded list: Per Se (I had tha opportunity to have a wonderful luch there), Daniel, Le Bernardin, L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon.
                                  Well there are many new restaurants to know when I come back to NYC again. LOL
                                  I'll let the link

                                  Per Se
                                  10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                                  Eleven Madison Park
                                  11 Madison Ave., New York, NY 10010

                                  Le Bernardin
                                  155 W. 51st St., New York, NY 10019

                                  L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon
                                  57 E 57th St, New York, NY 10022

                              3. re: hctupper

                                Your english just fine!! it's very endearing! glad you had a great time