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mrotmd May 24, 2009 12:28 PM

With Shavuot this year falling on Shabbat, who is making a meat and who is making a dairy dinner. If you want to add a comment or recipe to the tally, even better :)

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    MartyB RE: mrotmd May 24, 2009 01:04 PM

    Dairy all the way!! Not for religious reasons, but because I like dairy much better than meat in general. We are talking about 4 meals (I am not counting breakfast). One of then will be an elaborate kiddush at the shul that I daven - cheese blintzes, cheese cakes, baked ziti, eggplant parmesan, fish, sushi, salads, fruits, donuts, ice cream - I can't wait! Another meal will be fish, salmon or flounder, another meal blintzes and another one noodles & cheese, tuna salad and salads. There is plenty of opportunity for meat thought the year (in fact today I will be grilling rib steaks), but Shavous is special! I am not such a carnivour that I can't get by two days without meat.

    1. queenscook RE: mrotmd May 24, 2009 01:19 PM

      Probably chalavi for the first day and bisari for shabbat. On a non-shabbat Shavout, we usually do chalavi for daytime meals and bisari for the evening meals, but my husband , though not the traditional carnivore, does tend to prefer meat for shabbat. Occasionally we'll have a parve meal for a Friday night (usually a stir-fry made with soy meat), but I can't remember ever having actual chalavi on a shabbat.

      1. bagelman01 RE: mrotmd May 24, 2009 01:39 PM

        Friday night meat
        Shabbos kiddush-dairy
        Shabbos lunch-meat
        Motzei Shabbos-Dairy-as a concession to my wife

        I don't care for dairy, as a single many years ago, I had an all fleishige apartment, I drink my coffee black and don't miss dairy

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          Dovid RE: bagelman01 May 24, 2009 04:21 PM

          Since so many adults are lactose-intolerant, it pays to make sure that not every dish is loaded with cheese. I always appreciate it when there are parve alternatives.

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            queenscook RE: Dovid May 24, 2009 06:08 PM

            Whenever I invite for chalavi meals, I inform my invitees, so they can tell me if they are lactose intolerant or just prefer to not come/come for a different meal, if I still have space. I generally try to remember to ask if there are any food issues (allergies, etc.), but can't say I always do. I figure if someone is deathly allergic to something, they will let me know rather than risk a major complication. Reminds me of an interesting situation a few months ago when a guest tasted his chicken, said, "this is interesting, what is it?" I answered, "Chicken Satay . . . you're not allergic to peanuts or anything, right?" I can't quite describe his face, or how quickly I ran to take apart the medicine chest to find some antihistamines. In the end, he was OK, but I can't imagine that if I were allergic to something I might be served, that I wouldn't say something beforehand.

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          vallevin RE: mrotmd May 24, 2009 06:16 PM

          Both dinners will be celebration to meat. Lunch day one is dairy, and since my DH and my sister's DH MUST have their cholent on Shabbat -- that's a meat meal too.

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            cappucino RE: mrotmd May 24, 2009 09:05 PM

            Husband likes dairy on the first night because he needs his coffee and cheesecake as he stays up all night learning. I would do the learning thing too, but the kids...
            Lunch: dairy, hubby sleeps in
            Shabbos meals both meat and I'm annoyed. I like to squeeze in another dairy one on Shavuos, but Shabbos is Shabbos in my home and that means meat.
            For the cheese adverse, I do a roasted fish (this year walnut-crusted halibut) and vegies, of course a 4-cheese mac & cheese, and--in addition to the cheesecake--I just saw a heavenly buttermilk and raspberry cake in this month's Gourmet that I am excited to make. Lunch: baked tilapia fingers (parmesan/panko crust) and zucchini fritata. Veal stew instead of the regular cholent, don't like cholent in a pot/won't put it in the crockpot for two days.

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              ganeden RE: mrotmd May 25, 2009 06:44 AM


              While some people do Shavuos totally milchig, I believe the majority just hold to having 1 milchig meal, with the others being fleishig. In any case, we gave up on all dairy all the time long ago, and the main evening meal is now typically fleishig. When we had all of the kids home, we used to have a cheese course before the meat course for the morning meals, but with the kids all over the place, we find ourselves having all dairy for the 1st day morning meal.

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                MartyB RE: ganeden May 25, 2009 08:31 AM

                I guess in that case Shavous is no different than any other yom tov. I never have all four meals fleishigs when I am presented with a 2 or 3 day yom tov. I always have one meal dairy; much too much to have 2 meals per day meat for two straight days.

              2. berel RE: mrotmd May 25, 2009 08:57 AM

                Ain simcha ella B'Basar! ;-)

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                  MartyB RE: berel May 25, 2009 10:29 AM

                  So I assume this trumps Minhag Yisroel Kedin Hu. In my house and in my father's house we ate exclusively dairy on Shevous. I wasn't aware that this was an optional choice rather than one driven by one's parent's minhag.

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                    MartyB RE: MartyB May 25, 2009 01:22 PM

                    I must retract what I said before. I got today an email from "Chabad.org" that states as follows ->

                    Eating Dairy Foods

                    It is customary to eat dairy foods on the first day of Shavuot. There are a number of reasons for this custom; here are a few: ...

                    In light of this new info I may have a meat meal either Friday night or Shabbos lunch. Not both since I already psyched myself out for a two day dairy event.


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                      vallevin RE: MartyB May 25, 2009 07:08 PM

                      Marty if you REALLY want to do it Chabad style...serve cheesecake as your appetizer and then do Vodka shots, and then serve a meat meal (at least that's what my sister's family does).

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                        MartyB RE: vallevin May 25, 2009 08:59 PM

                        It is not the issue of Chabad style. I at first thought tha one had to eat dairy for the entire Shavoth. This email alerted me that the tradition is only for the first day. It is also clear from the posters here that nobody appears to hold that one must eat dairy for the entire Shavouth so I assumed that I was incorrect and might as well join the herd and have at least one meat meal to be mekaim "Ain simcha ella B'Basar". I picked up a real nice brisket at Pik-N-Pay and might as well put it to good use ;)

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                          cappucino RE: MartyB May 26, 2009 04:39 AM

                          Some eat Meat the entire holiday just as they do on all other holidays (including the three-day ones) because it is their Minhag. As told to me by my Rabbi. Bottom line, cheesecake as appetizer doesn't compete with cheesecake and coffee for dessert.

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                      berel RE: MartyB May 26, 2009 05:35 AM

                      my parents weren't observant, therefore no family minhag, unless you want to consider shellfish as the family minhag

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                        DeisCane RE: berel May 26, 2009 06:50 AM

                        We usually go all-dairy. I welcome the chance to make a nice meal for shabbos that is dairy so this year should be no different. Risotto, balsamic-glazed sea bass or tilapia, caprese salad, stuff like that is on my mind for an Italian-themed (and gluten-free, as our guests have two kids with celiac) meal.

                  2. serenarobin RE: mrotmd May 26, 2009 06:47 AM

                    I grew up eating meat on shavuos but have been making dairy since I was married in deference to DH. Also, a part meat part dairy yom tov creates too much "gridlock" for me in terms of kitchen function- dishes, pots, pans, desserts, fridge space- how do others deal with that?
                    Still working on the menu, but thinking salad, borekas, asparagus quiche, egglant, defintely cheesecake.

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                      berel RE: serenarobin May 26, 2009 06:50 AM

                      I'm forced into a dairy meal on Shavous due to SB

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                        vallevin RE: serenarobin May 26, 2009 06:57 AM

                        I never cook on Yom Tov, so all my dishes (except for veggie salads) are prepped ahead of time.

                        Dishes? I don't have enough dairy dishes anyway so I serve on paper, and with all the family coming in...It's paper & plastic for the whole Yom Tov anyway.

                        Fridge space? It would be be taken up by a meat meal anyway.

                        I'm making my lasagna today and freezing it. I will double wrap it and rewarm in my meat oven on YT

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