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ASKING TO ADD 10 PERCENT TIP TO MEAL [moved from Ontario]

allanc May 22, 2009 10:33 AM

Last night we tried a new (for us) Vietnamese restaurant here in Toronto.
It is a mom and pop type establishment.
At the end of the meal the 'pop' asked me (with a smile) if it was OK to add a 10% tip to the meal.
No mention of an automatic 10% was mentioned anywhere in the restaurant or the menu.

  1. lyndak May 22, 2009 10:39 AM

    Well, I guess if they add 10% you don't need to worry about giving more than that!

    Personally, initially I would probably be offended but when you think about it, the normal tipping policy is 15% so by adding 10% does that mean they don't expect anymore than that?

    Interesting tactic.

    7 Replies
    1. re: lyndak
      quovadis May 22, 2009 10:48 AM

      Did they speak English very well or only minimally?

      This actually makes a difference because on some credit cards machines
      there isn't a spot for a gratuity... basically the kind of machine a convenience store would have.

      If they don't speak very good English their merchant services saleperson may have conned them into taking a machine that doesn't print out the tip form the way a restaurant slip does.

      I own a restaurant and had some salespeople try to unload these on me (older models they wanted to get rid of but still make money off of). This could well be the issue...

      1. re: quovadis
        allanc May 22, 2009 11:29 AM

        He was perfectly fluent and very polite.

        1. re: quovadis
          allanc May 22, 2009 11:37 AM

          The 'bill' itself is handwritten.
          The items are listed, then a subtotal, then taxes.
          There is a caption that says 'tip'.
          Beside that he wrote '10%'.
          Then he wrote in the total which does not include the tip.
          The credit card chit only has the total amount (in terms of $).

          1. re: allanc
            KTinNYC May 22, 2009 11:53 AM

            If the service was adequate then you're getting off cheap at 10%.

        2. re: lyndak
          allanc May 22, 2009 11:01 AM

          I thought that you are not supposed to tip the owner anyway.

          1. re: allanc
            Midlife May 22, 2009 01:38 PM

            I think quovadis has the probably answer for why he asked, though 10% is very low.

            As to tipping the owner: In a small, family run restaurant, with full table service, I would tip whoever serves me. Especially in these times I don't see any reason to presume that the owner doesn't need the money as much as anyone who might be working for him. In fact, at 10%, he may be taking care of tipping out others there as much as himself.

            1. re: Midlife
              allanc May 25, 2009 04:48 PM

              In general, I tip regardless of whether it is a mom and pop or not and regardless of who served.
              That is assuming that I think that it is justified, of course.
              My son is in the industry and I know that he is hurting for the tips recently so I tend to more be understanding and liberal.
              The main thrust of the my original post is that someone (anyone) actually *asked me if it was OK to add the tip*.
              The fact that it was the owner was secondary.

        3. k
          KTinNYC May 22, 2009 10:54 AM

          I don't think we have enough information to give a very good answer. Was this meant to be a tip or was he implying the prices on the menu were no longer accurate so he wanted to increase the cost of the meal? What did you say and what was his reaction?

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          1. re: KTinNYC
            allanc May 22, 2009 11:32 AM

            When I put my credit card on top of the bill, he pointed at the total and said something like 'May I add 10% as a tip'.
            I was quite surprised as was my companion but said 'Yes, sure'.
            I am not sure if he said thank you because I was caught totally off guard.

          2. m
            Maximilien May 22, 2009 11:35 AM

            Well, he asked; and that's the polite thing to do.

            It's now up to you to decide if they deserve more or less.

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            1. re: Maximilien
              quovadis May 22, 2009 11:42 AM

              Regarding tipping an owner... if they are your server you do.

              1. re: quovadis
                allanc May 22, 2009 01:29 PM

                I always have when it was warranted and without being asked, of course.
                The only reason I said 'I thought you are not supposed to' is because he actually *asked* which threw me off.

            2. alwayscooking May 25, 2009 06:01 PM

              Since the credit card slip only has the total amount, he doesn't want to report the tips as income if the tax rules are the same in Canada as in the US. At 10% no one will balk, some may leave more in cash or suggest a higher percent, and the amount he saves from taxes could offset the potentially higher lost tip income.

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              1. re: alwayscooking
                Just Visiting Jan 6, 2014 11:47 AM

                I think you are exactly right. If it is recorded separately as a tip, income tax is due. If it is just part of the charge for the meal, there is no record of taxable income.

                And clearly, it was not "automatic." You were asked for permission.

              2. h
                hungryungry May 25, 2009 07:45 PM

                hmm... strange.
                Maybe his last ten customer didn;t tip and he thought he should ask?

                1. s
                  salsailsa May 27, 2009 02:33 AM

                  It could be because the merchant actually has the enter the amount with the tip for approval. I've experienced that at places that don't have an allocation for tips.

                  It's strange, I know. It could be possible that his english wasn't up to snuff to explain the question.

                  On a separate note, I've been to Salons where the don't allow you to put a tip on you credit card but you could pay for services via credit. I actually had to go to a bank machine and return to give the girl a tip.

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                  1. re: salsailsa
                    Big Eater Jan 3, 2014 07:17 PM

                    For us Americans, what is a Salon?

                    1. re: Big Eater
                      jlbwendt Jan 3, 2014 08:21 PM

                      Hair salon?

                      1. re: Big Eater
                        Midlife Jan 3, 2014 11:48 PM

                        BE, you do realize the post you're questioning is getting close to being four years old?

                        1. re: Midlife
                          Harters Jan 4, 2014 07:58 AM

                          Which may mean that poster is no longer on the board.

                          But, for BE, I suspect the poster was referring to hairdressing salons. "Salon" would often be used in British English to describe such a place and I know that, often, Canadian English is closer to ours than to American English.

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