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Authentic vs. Westernized ramen (split from Ontario board)

OnDaGo May 21, 2009 07:39 AM

Why does a place have to be "authentic" 99.9% of the people who will eat there probably have never been to Japan for Ramen nor Vietnam for Pho.. if it tastes good at a reasonable price point then you will may a sucessful business in a recession. If you start bringing over Noodle makers from Japan and importing strange ingredients that most people have never heard of you will loose money. If I want Authentic I go to the little hole in the wall places .. I do not complain that Ho Lee Chow is not Authentic because it should not be it is what it is...

At least they tell you here that they are not trying to be authentic they say they will serve a Westernised version.. so do not hold this against them..

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    acd123 May 21, 2009 07:46 AM

    I'm looking forward to seeing what westernized ramen will have in it. Goat cheese and prosciutto?

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      tjr May 21, 2009 07:59 AM

      I don't really care if they want to serve a westernized version or not, assuming it's good. Ho Lee Chow is not authentic, but it also isn't good. Most of the restaurants in the city that specifically focus on ramen didn't make a good bowl of ramen. I can hardly imagine a place more insistent upon laptop computers and how a bowl of ramen won't cost $20 (only $10!) and looks like Spring Rolls will be able to produce a decent bowl. I'm a bit skeptical, but I'll reserve judgment until I try the place.

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        acd123 May 21, 2009 08:02 AM


        1. re: tjr
          OnDaGo May 21, 2009 08:43 AM

          But my question is ... if you are a "ramen freak" why even try it? It is like my comment about Ho Lee Chow.. you know it is a westernised chain fast food (and it sucks).. if you love Chinese you should be smart enough to realise you will not like it.. (I only go when I want dayglow chicken balls!)

          If this place is not out to server authentic Ramen you SHOULD not go there if you will slag them based on your taste for the real thing..

          1. re: OnDaGo
            tjr May 21, 2009 06:48 PM

            Because we hope for decent ramen in a city lacking decent ramen?

            ... or if they say they serve ramen and it sucks, we should say it sucks. Sorry, but bad restaurants don't get a pass just because they're bad AND inauthentic.

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          jamesm May 21, 2009 09:20 AM

          Hey! This chocolate ice cream isn't vanilla!

          1. aser May 21, 2009 11:52 AM

            If something is called ramen, it triggers memories of taste/texutre that I associate with it. When it tastes nothing like it at all, it is a disappointment to say the least.

            There are lots of foods that fall into this category. You might not feel the same about ramen, but I'm sure you will feel the same level of sacrilege if one of your most beloved foods is bastardized into a pseudo wifi-coffee bar/lounge.

            Take a look at the level of debate authentic smoked meat, pizza, poutine, etc.... generates on here, that's how I feel about ramen too.

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              skylineR33 May 21, 2009 12:09 PM

              It said it will be serving "healthy and nutritious Japanese inspired food". It means that there will be no Tonkotsu (Pork Bone soupbase) ramen and fatty Japanese Cha Siu, why ? Because what make these things so delicious is the pork fat and lard ! Or they are going to tone down the fat to make it non-fat like the one we had on Izakaya ramen place (now closed) on Front.

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                Davedigger May 21, 2009 12:17 PM

                Oh please let them have Tonkotsu and fatty Japanese Cha Siu! I can't afford a trip to Japan!

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                  tjr May 21, 2009 12:22 PM

                  Healthy ramen is an oxymoron!

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                    skylineR33 May 21, 2009 12:52 PM

                    Exactly. If they want healthy noodle, why not consider the cantonese Wonton Noodle as the "next concept" ? We are lack of good one here. It is clear broth, no fatty stuff. Fit their healthy and nutritious criteria. But I guess it is hard to learn to make noodle with their leg and butt using the bamboo stick.

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                      Chester Eleganté May 21, 2009 01:41 PM

                      Have you guys had the ramen at Nota Bene? I don't think they have it at the moment, but when I went to try it, the bartender told me that they had moved it off the regular menu to a once-a-week special since it was so time consuming to make the broth and noodles. Sounds like it's worth checking out, eh?

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                        skylineR33 May 21, 2009 06:56 PM

                        Hi Chester Eleganté, I do not see it on the menu, can you give us more info ? Thanks.

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                          Chester Eleganté Jun 5, 2009 01:31 PM

                          Sorry, all I can recall was that there was some chicken in the description. When I asked recently if it'd make a reappearance, the chef just gave an open-ended answer of "Anything is possible...".

                2. re: aser
                  OnDaGo May 21, 2009 02:07 PM

                  I would agree IF they said they were opening up an authentic Ramen shop which they have not said.. if Pizza Pizza opens an new store in Liberty Village will you rant about it not being authentic Pizza? no because everyone knows they are fast food versions.. So if this place opens and makes it clear that they are not trying to open a traditional Ramen shop then I applaud them for not misleading you...

                  1. re: OnDaGo
                    tjr May 21, 2009 02:12 PM

                    I'm pretty sure no one thinks they're misleading anyone. We just want authentic ramen, not Spring Rolls (Ramen Edition).

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                      Tatai May 21, 2009 02:37 PM

                      Unfortunately, given the current economy, it makes better sense to cater to the masses than to those who want authenticity. Too bad for us, of course, but business is business.

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                        skylineR33 May 21, 2009 04:00 PM

                        Believe me, once you try the authentic ramen, you will like it !! It just a matter that they don't know how to make it ! All these ramen places in Toronto are taking short cut.

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                          Tatai May 21, 2009 05:36 PM

                          I'm positive we'd all adore it, skylineR33! And kicking myself that I didn't join my daughter and my sister as they're touring Japan right now. I've been getting reports of incredible food. Sigh...

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                            Tatai May 21, 2009 05:39 PM

                            skylineR33, any wonderful ramen places you can recommend in Kyoto? That's where they are now. (Or any other fantastic restaurants, for that matter?)

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                              skylineR33 May 21, 2009 06:55 PM

                              Just walk in to anyone, most of them have their own little twist. Probably your family knows about it, but "The path of Ramen" at the Kyoto station is a good choice to try different type of ramen and it is very convenient. There are 6 to 7 ramen shops in there !


                      2. re: OnDaGo
                        aser May 21, 2009 02:34 PM

                        It still doesn't mean I can't be disappointed by another poor imitation of ramen invading the city.

                        Pizza isn't an apt comparison as people know what pizza is. Most people have no idea what ramen even is, they think it's just the instant noodle stuff. Lots of people will walk away from eating at places like these thinking that's what ramen should be.

                        chester - No, I haven't had the ramen at Nota Bene. Surprised they would even attempt it as to your stated reasons (labour intensive).

                        1. re: aser
                          acd123 May 21, 2009 07:16 PM

                          HOw about we all just wait until the place opens up? Yeah, it will probably suck, but who know? Maybe they will surpise us.

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                            Davedigger May 22, 2009 08:21 AM

                            Here's to hoping for a fabulous surprise!

                            1. re: Davedigger
                              acd123 May 22, 2009 08:43 AM

                              Check out the post from the owner on the Toronto thread.

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