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phoenikia May 16, 2009 08:55 AM

I thought Strawberry might be a safe bet at Summer's but it was way too sweet, with ice crystals.

What flavours have stood out for you? I'm mostly interested in independent shops, not national/international brands.

My favourites lately are:
Il Gelatiere: Cioccolato, Cioccolato peperoncino, tartufo, menta, fondente, maria, lemon - haven't really liked their non-lemon fruit flavours that much

Soma: Dark Chocolate, lemon, raspberry

Xococava: mango- haven't tried anything else

La Paloma: lemon

Hollywood: Their Valrhona chocolate is ok. Which flavours do you like?

Have no clue what to order at these places:

Ed's
Greg's - lots of press about the Roasted Marshmallow- but what else does he do well?
Dutch Dreams
Summer's- haven't enjoyed anything I've tried here- what do they do best?
La Bamboche
Dolce on College
Sicilian Ice Cream Factory- have found their products too sweet- but is there a specific flavour they do well?
Sweet Escape Patisserie in the Distilery

And if I head up north, what flavours should I try at Kawartha Dairy?

Where else do you like to go for a scoop or 2?

Here's a recent thread on the best chocolate gelatos: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/614783

And a general thread on Gelato in Toronto: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/607957

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  1. TorontoJo RE: phoenikia May 16, 2009 09:13 AM

    Love the creme caramel flavour at Hollywood -- essentially vanilla ice cream with that wonderful burnt sugar flavour you get in a real creme caramel. I also have a weakness for the peanut butter cup flavour, mostly because it tastes like eating frozen peanut butter cookie dough to me.

    At Il Gelatiere, my two favourites are the maria and the grapefruit. But not together.

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      goldendelicious RE: phoenikia May 16, 2009 10:04 AM

      I lovelovelove the peanut butter ice cream from Hollywood Gelato. It has oreo chunks in it! Mmmmm...
      I also really like the chocolate-peanut butter from Baskin Robbins. I've had the chocolate-PB from Dutch Dreams but it wasn't nearly as good (plus it cost way more!).

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        pearlD RE: goldendelicious Jun 11, 2009 03:47 PM

        I love the chocolate peanut butter from Baskin Robins as well...My quest in Gelato is always for a 'real tasting' Banana! Anyone know where to get the 'authentic, fresh & real taste of Banana Gelato?

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        halugii RE: phoenikia May 16, 2009 11:57 AM

        the other day i got ontario blueberry and basil sorbet from soma and it was amazing!!

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          Full tummy RE: halugii Jun 2, 2009 01:00 PM

          My favourite from Soma is the lemon-sour cream gelato, or is it ice cream? Don't remember, but it is tart, sour, creamy, and lemony. Very refreshing.

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            dannyboy RE: Full tummy Jun 12, 2009 08:22 AM

            yeah it is gelato-
            I love Soma as well, the other week i had Strawberry and Fresh Mint and it was killer, kinda tasted like a strawberry mohito,
            & the wife loves their Dark Chocolate

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          lightbulb RE: phoenikia May 16, 2009 12:03 PM

          Thrilled that Ed's has opened up at Queen & Logan, 5 minutes from my workplace. He makes a killer Green Apple ice cream and my favorite Pistachio, better than Hollywood and Il Gelatiere.

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            Otonabee RE: lightbulb May 16, 2009 07:29 PM

            Also at Ed's - the Espresso Ice Cream made from Mercury Espresso is absolutely divine!!

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              Full tummy RE: Otonabee May 17, 2009 06:45 PM

              Yes, yes, yes. And the Amarena cherry gelato. A good cherry cold treat is hard to find!!!

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              BLM RE: lightbulb Jan 17, 2010 06:24 AM

              Ed's Real Scoop is open this time of the year(both locations)? I'm coming in from Montreal. Many ice cream shops in Montreal are closed in the winter.

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                toveggiegirl RE: BLM Jan 17, 2010 11:32 AM

                They are definitely open year-round. They have yummy hot chocolate in the winter (and seasonal ice cream flavours). They also make their own waffle cones which fill the sop with the most amazing smell.
                http://edsrealscoop.com/aboutus.aspx

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                  JamieK RE: BLM Jan 17, 2010 11:58 AM

                  BLM - please do let us know how your visit to Toronto goes, at least the chowish parts!

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                    BLM RE: JamieK Jan 21, 2010 10:30 PM

                    Went to Ed's Real Scoop in Leslieville earlier this week. Tried 3 flavours. Pumpkin ice cream, Green Apple gelato & Butter Pecan ice cream. Liked very much the Green Apple & Pumpkin. Thought the Butter Pecan ice cream was a little dull.

              2. Muffin__Top RE: phoenikia May 16, 2009 01:26 PM

                Funny I never liked Dolce on College

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                  dannyboy RE: Muffin__Top Jun 12, 2009 08:23 AM

                  I never liked them either, they have shite customer service imo

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                  Snarf RE: phoenikia May 16, 2009 09:22 PM

                  I could go on at this for great length, but the prospect of the attendant weight gain would be daunting. So here are some briefs.

                  Greg's. They do a nice ginger ice cream that makes an amazing palate cleanser between courses. Nice green tea as well.

                  Soma: Pumpkin is also nice.

                  Xocolat: Try the one with licorice. I thnk it's sort of caramelly. Works very well. Make sure the person you're with at the time has some romantic potential. They're chocolate is very respectable as well. Both the ice cream and gelato.

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                    snoopy12 RE: phoenikia May 17, 2009 05:51 AM

                    Xoco Cava - Meyer Lemon is very good, also try a combination of the Hazelnut with the fairly intense dark chocolate sorbet. Grapefruit sorbet is good too.

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                      dubchild RE: snoopy12 May 17, 2009 06:21 AM

                      I'm also a fan of xococava. The textures are not always perfect and sometimes they taste a little too eggy, but at least we know its being made with real ingredients.
                      They have interesting flavour combinations. My favourite is PX sherry and prune. They also have a great espresso flavoured ice cream.
                      The texture of ice cream changes after being made and sitting in the freezer. So next time you go asked if something was just made, and try that. I tried their freshly made chocolate, and it was the best I've had.

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                        Degustation RE: snoopy12 May 17, 2009 04:44 PM

                        The XocoCava Meyer Lemon is nice and tart but it's coming to the end of the season and they will then switch to using regular organic lemons.

                      2. sgogo RE: phoenikia May 17, 2009 12:50 PM

                        I really love Greg's Coffee Toffee, it's all I ever get at that place on Yonge between Summerhill & Rosedale stations. My Favourite Ice Cream is possibly the name of the shop, but it's Greg's so you can get it wherever.
                        From Xococava I had the Sour Cherry Granita last year, and it was nice and tart. Maybe a little syrupy, but still very refreshing.

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                          piccola RE: phoenikia May 17, 2009 05:03 PM

                          Is there any place I can get yogurt gelato? I used to eat it all the time in Italy -- seems it's a standard flavour.

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                            Wench Foraday RE: piccola May 31, 2009 10:35 AM

                            Ce Fiore is a soft-serve yogurt shop on Walmer Rd at Bloor St, just west of Spadina. It's similar to the new Yogen Fruz, but the plain flavour tastes more like yogurt and is icier. It's not gelato, but it does have a similar consistency so that might be something to try.

                            It comes in four flavours: plain, green tea, raspberry-pomegranate and acai berry. They also serve cubed mochi as a topping - I've had this with the green tea which was fun.

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                              icey RE: Wench Foraday Jun 2, 2009 12:57 PM

                              Dolcini by Joseph up in Kleinburg had a yogurt swirled with Blueberry sauce. I didn't try it, but the person ahead of me was going on and on about how good it was. I just wrote about La Casa del Gelato Divino in Oakville on another thread, and they had 3 flavours of yogurt in their case.

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                            LemonLauren RE: phoenikia May 17, 2009 07:49 PM

                            Il Gelatiere has a yogurt flavour I believe...my fave there is maria, followed by hot pepper chocolate or nutella or hazelnut or or or....so many.

                            I LOVE carrot cake (fall flavour) and lemon meringue pie at Hollywood.

                            anyone had a good apple pie or cinnamon raisin anywhere?

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                              Snarf RE: phoenikia May 18, 2009 01:23 PM

                              I found store-made ice creams in a fairly unlikely place today. Arz Fine Foods on Lawrence make a number of flavours. The chocolate is very credible (I'm a bit of a chocolate snob), and the counter-person suggested I taste something called ashta (apologies on the spelling, as I'm trying it phonetically). Very creamy, sweet, amazing flavour. Probably not a gelato technically, but definitely worth trying.

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                                embee RE: Snarf May 30, 2009 05:48 PM

                                Many of the Arz ice creams contain mastic, a gum with a very strong, and definitely acquired, taste. You may or may not love it, but be prepared. These are very different from other ice creams found in Toronto.

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                                  Snarf RE: embee May 30, 2009 08:32 PM

                                  I'll ask next time I'm there. Chocolate is sort of my benchmark, and I found nothing to out of the chocoverse in it. How would you describe the unique effects or flavours?

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                                    embee RE: Snarf May 30, 2009 09:01 PM

                                    It occurred to me that I was thinking of the housemade ice creams that are packaged in the freezer, while you are talking about the stuff sold in the cafe. They might not be the same.

                                    I doubt that flavours such as chocolate would contain mastic, but unusual sounding flavours probably do. I don't know exactly how to describe the taste, but it's obvious once you have tasted it for the first time.

                                    Mastic is also used in Greek food, and I've tasted it in some of the pastries at Patisserie Royale. It is very distinctive. I don't especially like it in ice cream, though I've found it perfectly okay in other foods.

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                                      Snarf RE: embee May 30, 2009 09:22 PM

                                      You make an interesting point. Many places change the formula from when it is in the retail cooling units to the retail product. I know Xococava are religious in the way that they ensure that each product is chilled to what they believe the right temp to be.

                                      But the mystery continues as to what this might actually taste like.....

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                                        embee RE: Snarf May 30, 2009 10:58 PM

                                        I can only reiterate that I can't particularly describe the taste, but it is unmistakable. It's a tree resin form some kind of pistachio plant. Used in ice cream, it adds this characteristic taste. It can also make the ice cream very gummy and somewhat chewy. These are considered desirable characteristics.

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                                toveggiegirl RE: phoenikia May 18, 2009 02:27 PM

                                At Hollywood, Rocky Roché (Ferroro Rocher flavour). Yum!

                                1. Royaljelly RE: phoenikia May 18, 2009 03:40 PM

                                  Just tried Soma's today, liked the Roasted Butternut Squash Gelato, dark chocolate is not bad, but my favorite is still IL GELATORIA's Pomelo - Grapefruit!

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                                    Phoenix RE: phoenikia May 30, 2009 03:23 PM

                                    MUST TRY...raspberry and white chocolate ice cream at Ed's. Sounds too sweet, but it is not. Best flavour by far!

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                                      embee RE: phoenikia May 30, 2009 11:32 PM

                                      Greg's roasted marshmallow hasn't been duplicated - no Toronto competitor has come close. Other flavours I've liked include coffee-toffee, cinnamon, ginger, stout, and flavours made with fresh fruit. Unlimited sampling within reason.

                                      I haven't been to Greg's shop (which isn't convenient) in more than a year. A bad experience with Greg's cartons, from All the Best, turned me off. The ice cream was at least half air - just like Breyers. I don't know whether this was a production glitch or a major cut in quality, If you go, please post your findings.

                                      Ed's keeps getting better and better. I've recently liked the chili chocolate and coconut gelatos, and the chocolate orange and Mercury espresso ice creams. Ed's "kiddie" size serving is comparable to a large at some other scoop shops. This is one place where a waffle cone - when freshly made - is worth ordering. Unlimited tasting.

                                      Dutch Dreams is more about the fancy concoctions than the ice cream flavours.

                                      Sicilian Ice Cream is a poor industrial imitation of gelato. I've never understood their enduring popularity.

                                      You should consider Kawartha Dairy in its context. This is not super premium ice cream! They sell some kiddie flavours that are disgusting and some interesting sounding adult flavours that are way to sweet for me. However, unlike some other old time dairies that manage to survive in rural areas, Kawartha still makes real ice cream. It may not wow you, but it's perfectly fine and beats any local alternatives that might be available. Bear Claw, Moose Tracks, and Wolf Paws are not bad at all.

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                                        atomeyes RE: embee May 31, 2009 07:08 AM

                                        I also haven't been to Greg's. SOmething about the location makes it undesireable to go to - the parking, its smallness...not sure.

                                        but my favourites from Gregs were: pear ginger, cinnamon nutmeg, banana toffee and, an amazing flavour that most people cringe at: Indian Summer (which has sweet corn in it). you have to try it to understand it!

                                        Ed's: pear or pear Parmesan is my favourite by far. their spicy chocolate is also excellent. my fiancee loves their blood orange.

                                        Hollywood: key lime pie. it starts and stops there :) also had a bananabrownie flavour last week that was excellent.

                                      2. Wench Foraday RE: phoenikia May 31, 2009 10:37 AM

                                        The only flavour I order at Summer's is the Irish Cream - delish!

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                                          Ediblethoughts RE: Wench Foraday Jun 12, 2009 11:38 AM

                                          I love their chocolate orange too.

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                                          precia RE: phoenikia Jun 2, 2009 12:40 PM

                                          I've liked everything I've tried at Ed's - balsamic strawberry, blood orange, chili chocolate/coconut combo scoop. There's probably more, but I can't remember them offhand.

                                          I'm just around the corner from Kakayo, and they've got a board out advertising gelato, but I haven't been in yet, and I don't recall if they have any interesting flavors.

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                                            precia RE: precia Jun 11, 2009 03:31 PM

                                            Kakayo gelato... not so much. They had vanilla, vanilla with brownies, chocolate, and spicy chocolate. I went with the vanilla with brownies, and it was pretty much a disaster - ice crystals and all.

                                          2. estufarian RE: phoenikia Jun 2, 2009 12:55 PM

                                            I'm confused!
                                            I thought I was afairly comprehensive sampler - yet there appear to be many of you that have sampled dozens of flavours this year!
                                            The original post specified 2009 and even commented on 'lately' (although Phoenikia I still have to admire your constitution to have tried all these places this year!).
                                            At retail outlets I've only tried Xococava and Il Gelatiere THIS YEAR (probably because they were my favourites last year). However, I detect problems at both places. Il Gelatiere seems to have acquired a 'powdery' texture - possibly because with lower turnover in winter/spring the product is sitting longer. And Xococava is having some consistency issues - sometimes hard and sometimes much softer.
                                            My waistline won't support another comprehensive review so can people please specify that their comments are based on 2009 sampling? This IS the 2009 thread!

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                                              phoenikia RE: estufarian Jun 2, 2009 01:09 PM

                                              I have visited Il Gelatiere quite frequently this year, and always try a couple new flavours when I visit. I agree that there is a bit of a texture problem this year. The main flavours I keep coming back to are the chocolate-based flavours- especially the tartufo and fondente. Haven't really liked any of the creams or fruit flavours enough to order them twice, and I've grown tired of their cioccolato peperoncino & maria flavours. I found their cappuccino gelato too sweet on my last visit. I do think there is a high turnover at Il Gelatiere, because every time I visit (maybe once every 10 days), there are new flavours there, and old flavours are missing. I was there a couple weeks ago, chatting with a friend for about an hour (no one seemed to be staying to sit, so I don't think anyone wanted our table), and I was amazed by the traffic they have on a midweek afternoon. And amazed to see how many parents in the neighbourhood buy their kids IG gelato (and not kiddycone sized portions- the regulars and larges) for an afterschool snack. I think their batches are quite small, so there might be another problem other than turnover that is affecting the texture. Despite the weaknesses at IG, I still prefer it to any gelato I've tried at Hollywood.

                                              Sad to hear Xococava is also having consistency problems.

                                            2. flying101 RE: phoenikia Jun 11, 2009 04:11 PM

                                              Il Gelatiere - Banana and pistachio are my fav from them, I think their pistachio might be my fav in the city.

                                              1. ikapai RE: phoenikia Jun 12, 2009 08:14 AM

                                                Probably a stupid question.. But I'm not eating sugar right now. Does anyone know of any places that have some sort of sugar free frozen treats? Fruit ices or some sort of sorbet? The weather is supposed to be beautiful next week and I am sad that I won't be able to eat ice cream!

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                                                  Squeakycheese RE: ikapai Jun 12, 2009 09:04 AM

                                                  Were is Soma? Is that the chocolate place in the Distillery area?

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                                                    Aqueya RE: Squeakycheese Jun 12, 2009 09:22 AM

                                                    I'm all about anything at Greg's.
                                                    The Pumpkin pie is really neat, so is the stout. But Toasted Marsh mellow is by far my favorite.

                                                    Oh!!! Ivory Thailand (Queen church area) has a bit of an ice cream bar as part of their buffet.. and the coconut is.. just.... meltingly (me, not the ice cream) good. It's smooth.. subtle yet strong and delicate... and you just want more. No chunks. mmmmmm.

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                                                      LemonLauren RE: Aqueya Jun 13, 2009 08:16 PM

                                                      is pumpkin pie seasonal (fr fall) at greg's? i love pie/cake flavours, but they only do carrot cake in fall at hollywood, methinks.

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                                                      toveggiegirl RE: Squeakycheese Jun 12, 2009 10:28 AM

                                                      Yes, Soma is in the Distilllery, which is a lovely place to visit in the summer. Soma is known for their hot chocolate, too. There are a couple of new art galleries there that I have been meaning to check out. Ice cream + art = great summer outing.

                                                      http://www.somachocolate.com/

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                                                        whitemage RE: toveggiegirl Jun 12, 2009 10:36 AM

                                                        Any idea what happened to greg's? I went by yesterday looking for a fixin and they were shuttered

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                                                          TorontoJo RE: whitemage Jun 12, 2009 10:44 AM

                                                          Greg's is not closed, according to this thread:

                                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/627260

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                                                          shiro miso RE: toveggiegirl Jun 15, 2009 07:50 AM

                                                          Soma is awesome. Try their english toffee dark chocolate bark crumbled on top of their gelato for an unbelievable treat. They should offer it in little pieces as a topping (Soma, are you reading this?!)... but don't. So you have to buy a little bag of it and break it up... but it's SOO worth it.

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                                                        flying101 RE: ikapai Jun 12, 2009 11:17 AM

                                                        are you talking about no sugar added? or no sugar?
                                                        It would be very hard to find any natural sorbet or fruit ice that contains no sugar?

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                                                          toveggiegirl RE: ikapai Jun 12, 2009 01:01 PM

                                                          I'm not sure about quality gelato but Baskin & Robbins have sugar-free ice cream & sorbets and Not Just Yogurts (on Bathurst south of Lawrence) has sugar-free frozen yogurt. In the grocery store, Gelato Fresco has some decent "no sugar added" fruit ices.

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                                                            flying101 RE: toveggiegirl Jun 12, 2009 03:06 PM

                                                            Those 'sugar-free' desserts are extremely processed and filled with sweeteners. Fruit has sugar in it, if you buy a strawberry sorbet that is sugar free, it is not natural is my only comment.

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                                                            embee RE: ikapai Jun 12, 2009 03:18 PM

                                                            I can't really think of a scoop shop that makes a sugar free ice cream worth seeking out. I'm pretty sure that Summer's has a selection, though.

                                                            Yogen Fruz had an almost unsweetened frozen yogurt that was pretty good - I don't know whether it's still available. They also had Atkins' ice cream at some locations, but that may be off the market.

                                                            Chapman's probably makes the best selection of sugar free flavours, some of which are decent and some of which aren't. The other supermarket no sugar brands are awful across the board.

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                                                              ikapai RE: embee Jun 13, 2009 12:12 PM

                                                              Thanks for the replies. I don't mind anything with "natural" sugar in it - ie from fruits or honey. I'm just trying to avoid white sugar/processed sweeteners at the moment. Also don't want splenda or aspartame either. Not looking to replace real sugar with fake sugar.. just reducing my overall sugar consumption at the moment to almost none.

                                                              So yes I guess I am looking for "no sugar added." I will check out Baskin Robbins and also might see if they have anything at Greg's.

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                                                                Full tummy RE: ikapai Jun 14, 2009 11:35 AM

                                                                That is so tough to find... I really don't understand why at least a "reduced sugar" option is available for ice cream, as I find most ice cream and sorbet just way too sweet. But, as soon as you start looking for something a little healthier, your only option is the artificial sweeteners category. There is obviously a market for jams made without refined sugar or artificial sweeteners (they use concentrated juices instead), but what about frozen treats???

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                                                                  embee RE: Full tummy Jun 14, 2009 03:58 PM

                                                                  Sugar does more than just sweeten ice cream and replacing it in an ice cream recipe isn't easy.

                                                                  The one type of sugar alternative that both tastes good and works well in ice cream is a sugar alcohol. There are many variants, such as sorbitol, mannitol, xylitol (which is also good for your teeth), and several more. Your body doesn't metabolize these things as sugar, and they don't jerk your insulin around, though too much sugar alcohol is decidedly laxative.

                                                                  Carol's Cheesecakes makes some dynamite sugar free varieties with sugar alcohols, but I don't know of any ice creams that use them.

                                                                  The reality to me is that the only other sugar alternatives are artificial - it really is that simple. I'm not going to suggest that refined sugar is healthy, because it isn't, but I don't delude myself that "natural" is inherently better.

                                                                  To my body, sugar is sugar, irrespective of the source. Concentrated fruit juices are sugar. Honey is sugar. Hell, a glass of pure orange juice contains more pure sugar than many brands of pop.

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                                                                    Full tummy RE: embee Jun 14, 2009 04:41 PM

                                                                    Thanks, embee.

                                                                    I love Carol's sugar-free cheesecakes, though the formula may have changed since I last purchased them. They were initially sweetened with xylitol, but as Hubby recalls, they are now a mix, and we didn't think they were as good as what we originally had.

                                                                    You are right that concentrated fruit juice is still "sugar", but it is fructose, which affects blood sugar less than sucrose (refined sugar, maple syrup), so to my mind it is marginally more healthy, plus you get the added vitamins from the juice... Honey is a blend of glucose-fructose, so it's perhaps on par with sucrose, in terms of blood sugar response.

                                                                    I have never had digestive upset from erythritol or xylitol, but maltitol is a problem, and some people (including one person I know) are really very sensitive to it (like, they can't even chew a piece of gum with maltitol in it without becoming violently ill). That is very individual and something one needs to test, alas...

                                                                    Nonetheless, it would be nice to see some ice creams made with sugar alcohols; to date, I haven't, but please update if you come across any.

                                                                    As to aspartame and sucralose, they bring with them their own strange flavours, and let's not step foot into the debate over whether they are "healthy" or not. They both taste horrid, in my opinion, though I know there are some people who don't really taste much difference between sucralose and sugar. For reals.

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                                                                    estufarian RE: Full tummy Jun 15, 2009 07:39 AM

                                                                    It affects the consistency of the ice cream as well.
                                                                    If (as in most places) the temperature of the refrigerator is fixed, then the wrong 'balance' will mean some ice-creams are potentially too soft and some too hard. Apparently that is the origin of my observation that Xococava is having consistency problems with some of their flavours.

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                                                                    embee RE: ikapai Jun 14, 2009 03:41 PM

                                                                    That pretty much kills your options and leaves it up to you to make your own. All of the sugar free brands I know about use either sucralose or aspartame. The sucralose-sweetened flavours tend to be better.

                                                                    I remember a good Haagen Dazs honey vanilla flavour, but I haven't seen it in Canada for many years. While some types of honey contain various trace minerals, and even antibiotic properties, to your body honey is still just a form of sugar.

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                                                                      hungryabbey RE: embee Jun 14, 2009 05:01 PM

                                                                      Yep. Honey has been forever marked as this " healthy " alternative to sugar.. when molecularly, the two compounds look Identical and are processed in the body in the exact same way. If calories is your concern, honey actually has more calories per tsp then white sugar due only to the fact that sugar crystals in a teaspoon will contain some air in between the crystals, while honey, in its liquid form, will not.

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                                                                        Wahooty RE: hungryabbey Sep 5, 2009 07:46 PM

                                                                        No. No, no, NO. "molecularly," they are quite different. Honey, as noted above, is generally high in fructose (although the fructose/glucose ratio varies based on the source of nectar and, it would seem, the bee acquiring it), which is processed very differently from either glucose or sucrose. It thus has a different glycemic load, and happens to also taste different. As a chemist and a person with a fructose malabsorption problem, I can assure you that, while your body may have no problem with it, mine most definitely does. Personally, I'll take some good old artificial chemicals over it any day.

                                                                        And to ikapai, "no sugar added" generally means "sugar alcohols added" in my experience with commercial ice creams - I don't know if there are any local producers that have gone this route yet. This may or may not be okay for you - different people have different...effects from sugar alcohols - but I doubt you'll find anything that only contains sweeteners from the milk ingredients and added fruit that is sweet enough to be palatable. Just in case you go this direction again. :)

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                                                                        ikapai RE: embee Jun 18, 2009 09:47 AM

                                                                        Yeah I've decided to just wait it out. I can survive another week without ice cream! I'm completely sugar free right now other than eating some fruit every day so.. The fake alternatives don't seem all that appealing.

                                                                        I'm sure some delicious ice cream will be even better after this fasting.

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                                                                          julesrules RE: embee Jun 23, 2009 07:38 AM

                                                                          HD Honey Vanilla is my madeline...

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                                                                      toveggiegirl RE: ikapai Jun 15, 2009 09:25 AM

                                                                      I just stumbled across this place and thought of you! I know it's not ice cream, but maybe it's worth trying. Soy N’ Joy sells organic soy "ice cream", and although that contains it's own problems (but that's another discussion), it's made with either xylitol or Splenda (depending on the flavour). They do have some very interesting flavours (pink guava, ginseng, lychee, durian!) as well as more tradional Western flavours (coffee, pina colada, dark chocolate mint, blueberry).
                                                                      Has anyone tried this place?

                                                                      http://www.soynjoy.net/33TastyFlavors...

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                                                                        fickle RE: toveggiegirl Jun 15, 2009 10:03 AM

                                                                        The black sesame is very good from Soy n Joy.

                                                                    3. Ediblethoughts RE: phoenikia Jun 12, 2009 11:40 AM

                                                                      Has anyone had white chocolate anywhere? I keep looking for this flavour. I tried it once at Il Gelatiere but I wasn't that wowed.

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                                                                        Snarf RE: Ediblethoughts Jun 12, 2009 07:15 PM

                                                                        If you didn't like Il Gelatiere, try Hollywood when they've got it. Somewhat creamier.

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                                                                          Ediblethoughts RE: Snarf Jun 13, 2009 08:14 AM

                                                                          I've recently found out I do like Hollywood's gelato so I'll keep trying until I find the white chocolate. I always seem to go into places and I'm told they "just ran out" of the white chocolate...

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                                                                        Pincus RE: phoenikia Jun 12, 2009 01:58 PM

                                                                        I've recently had the strawberry and chocolate/hazlenut at Quattro Ragazze and enjoyed them both.

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                                                                          yyft RE: phoenikia Jun 14, 2009 01:16 PM

                                                                          Dolce at College is too sweet. Piazza Gelateria & Cafe in First Markham Place is good., not too sweet. $3 for a single scope whereas 1 scope is $3.57 at Dolce.

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                                                                            estufarian RE: yyft Jun 15, 2009 07:45 AM

                                                                            I don't like the Dolce product either - too gummy. Haven't tried First Markham Place, but my detailed ice cream review about 2 years back noted that the size of servings varied dramatically e.g. Hollywood Gelato was much larger than Il Gelatiere. And the cost per 500ml carton (equivalent) went almost as high as $20.

                                                                          2. Chester Eleganté RE: phoenikia Jun 22, 2009 11:08 PM

                                                                            il gelatiere (as of two weeks ago, and not including the regular favourites)

                                                                            - the plum, bursting with flavour, freshest choice on the slate
                                                                            - the chestnut, esp. the ribboned version
                                                                            - not new, but under the radar: the cioccolato non latte. free of adulteration, this is the purest expression of their superb belgian chocolate. you must try this if you're seeking an intense choco hit.

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                                                                              callitasicit RE: Chester Eleganté Jun 23, 2009 01:36 AM

                                                                              While I prefer Il Gelatiere to Hollywood Gelato, I really love Hollywood's Roasted Marshmallow as well as their Skor Gelato..

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                                                                                millygirl RE: callitasicit Sep 5, 2009 02:29 PM

                                                                                I have to agree with some of the others above, Soma's blueberry basil sorbet is outstanding.

                                                                            2. Wahooty RE: phoenikia Sep 5, 2009 07:48 PM

                                                                              Ed's in the Beach(es?) now has pumpkin, which they didn't about 3 weeks ago the last time I was there. I felt like I was kind of cheating on my "summer's not over, dammit!" day of defiance at the beach, but it tasted pretty darned good.

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                                                                                rat under paper RE: phoenikia Sep 5, 2009 09:57 PM

                                                                                My current bete noire is Adam & Eve's romantic rose gelato. They make a divine raspberry, too.

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                                                                                  BLM RE: phoenikia Dec 6, 2009 05:58 AM

                                                                                  Sorry, just to be certain(I'm in Montreal), when you menion Il Gelatiere, you mean Il Gelatiere Artigianale(647 Mount Pleasant)? I'm targeting Il Gelatiere Artigianale on my next visit to Toronto. Is the establishment open in January?

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                                                                                    phoenikia RE: BLM Dec 6, 2009 01:40 PM

                                                                                    Yes, it's open yearround. They also serve espresso in addition to gelato.

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                                                                                    Boodah RE: phoenikia Dec 6, 2009 06:30 AM

                                                                                    Greg's Malt Ball Crunch is pretty good, pear gelato at Il Gelatiere, hazelnut at La Paloma.

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                                                                                      kel RE: phoenikia Jun 4, 2010 03:20 PM

                                                                                      How about in 2010?

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                                                                                        pinstripeprincess RE: kel Jun 4, 2010 04:19 PM

                                                                                        il gelatiere has been a huge disappointment in more ways than one... flavours not as great as before but texture just airy as heck.

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                                                                                          phoenikia RE: pinstripeprincess Jun 4, 2010 04:51 PM

                                                                                          Sad to hear this.

                                                                                          I haven't been for several months. I had been disappointed with every fruit flavour apart from their lemon, and most of the creamier flavours. I've usually been happy with the lemon, various chocolates and the riso. I'm hoping the fondente flavour is still dense- it was incredibly dense when I ordered it last summer.

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                                                                                            Janine RE: pinstripeprincess Jun 23, 2010 08:29 PM

                                                                                            I am sad to hear Il Gelatiere has gone downhill as it was a favourite to go to last summer. I tried a new place at the taste of little itaty at Creme. It's a patisserie but they have a few flavours and we had the pistascio nut gelato and it was really good. Anyhow else tried this place yet?

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                                                                                            647 Mt Pleasant Rd, Toronto, ON M4S, CA

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                                                                                            ikapai RE: kel Jun 23, 2010 08:21 AM

                                                                                            Had the lemon sour cream gelato at Soma last week. It was fantastic! Tart and tangy and really nice and creamy. Also had the strawberry and fresh mint sorbet. Great flavour, but I don't enjoy the texture of sorbet as much. Too grainy.

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                                                                                              millygirl RE: ikapai Jun 23, 2010 08:37 AM

                                                                                              Absolutely loooove the blueberry and basil from Soma!!!

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                                                                                                Full tummy RE: ikapai Jun 23, 2010 05:39 PM

                                                                                                The lemon sour cream is my favourite as well!!! Oh, gosh, I dream about it. They also serve it at the Oliver & Bonacini Grill, fyi. I think it is served "on the side" with something else, but I always just order it on its own.

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                                                                                                2901 Bayview Avenue, Toronto, ON M2K 1E6, CA

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                                                                                                  TorontoJo RE: Full tummy Jun 23, 2010 06:19 PM

                                                                                                  So do I!

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                                                                                                    estufarian RE: TorontoJo Jun 24, 2010 09:44 AM

                                                                                                    One of my favourites from Gelato Fresco (not available at retail currently) is the 'Sour Cream, Lemon Zest' - which adds the textural dimension of the zest - and for me lifts this flavour into my top 3.
                                                                                                    On reflection, I think sour cream versions probably exceed all 'regular cream' versions of ANY flavour for me too!

                                                                                                    Will have to try the Soma version - this week may be good as there won't be anyone even close to downtown!

                                                                                                    And are you sure it's the SOMA version at Oliver & Bonacini - I thought they used to feature Gelato Fresco?

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                                                                                                    2901 Bayview Avenue, Toronto, ON M2K 1E6, CA

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                                                                                                      TorontoJo RE: estufarian Jun 24, 2010 09:57 AM

                                                                                                      It's definitely the Soma version (called out in the menu specifically). At least it used to be. Don't know if they've changed recently.

                                                                                                      Just checked the menu:

                                                                                                      http://oliverbonacini.com/OliverBonac...

                                                                                                      Definitely Soma. Though I always thought it was strange that they offered the lemon sour cream ice cream with the carrot cake, but not on the ice cream menu. But they always oblige if you ask for it separately.

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                                                                                                        Full tummy RE: estufarian Jun 24, 2010 10:21 AM

                                                                                                        Definitely from Soma. And, yes, as ToronotoJo says, order it separately, unless you want the carrot cake.

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                                                                                                          estufarian RE: Full tummy Jun 24, 2010 01:26 PM

                                                                                                          Thanks to both of you.

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                                                                                                            Full tummy RE: estufarian Jun 24, 2010 04:09 PM

                                                                                                            Let us know how you like it. AND if you ever see the GF version in a store, as their office is not at all convenient for me. Boo hoo!

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                                                                                                  Chester Eleganté RE: kel Jun 23, 2010 09:31 AM

                                                                                                  Found a new place - check out Ti Amo Gelato in Richmond Hill - 10255 Yonge just north of Major Mac. Run by an HK family that'd been residing in Milan for a couple of generations, so they've learned well. Very pleasant neighbourhood joint. Textures have been on point, authentic flavours, i.e. all the fruits meticulously peeled and rendered, deep Belgian chocolate, crisp coconut. Good deal on the cartons too.

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                                                                                                    fleisch RE: Chester Eleganté Jun 23, 2010 09:36 AM

                                                                                                    I'll second Ti Amo. Nice place, nice people, good gelato.
                                                                                                    I know it was tight for them when the first opened because the new theatre was being built across the street but hopefully they're doing well now.

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                                                                                                      granquilter RE: fleisch Apr 8, 2011 04:57 PM

                                                                                                      Can you tell me if they are still open

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                                                                                                        icey RE: granquilter Apr 13, 2011 06:19 AM

                                                                                                        Yes, Ti Amo is still open. I passed by this weekend on the way to my vet's office so I couldn't stop in but there were a few people inside.

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                                                                                                  ninjahwarrior RE: phoenikia Apr 12, 2011 01:41 PM

                                                                                                  Coconut Gelato at Gelatiere Artigianale (Mt Pleasant / Eglinton)!

                                                                                                  1. sgogo RE: phoenikia Jul 24, 2011 06:31 PM

                                                                                                    I'm sure I would have loved it back in 2009, so...

                                                                                                    I bought a pint of Organic Lemon from Xococava on Thursday (hottest day evarrrr, remember?), and it is GOOD. I mean really, really good. Very tart, very creamy, amazing texture. I can eat three or four spoonfuls straight out of the freezer and be satisfied because it's so intensely lovely. My partner, who normally doesn't want any ice cream that doesn't contain moose tracks or some such, and avoids all pies made with fruit, loved it also, and that's saying something. Well done.

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