620129 Fri May 15 11:07:26 -0700 2009 40 12 Boston Area 0 4687009 Does anyone know where I could purchase 100% agave nectar in the Boston area? I'm looking to whip up some mean margaritas! Fri May 15 11:07:26 -0700 2009 291712 NahantNative 1 4687086 I think most whole foods carry it. (Definitely purchased some from the whole foods in Wellesley) and good call on the margaritas! Fri May 15 11:27:18 -0700 2009 4687009 168019 yummy2184 2 4687136 Harvest Co-op in JP has it, multiple brands at that. Fri May 15 11:40:02 -0700 2009 4687086 108021 pierce 1 4687202 What's the diff between using agave nectar and plain old sugar? Fri May 15 12:00:26 -0700 2009 4687009 10169 StriperGuy 2 4687273 comes from the same plant as tequila, so i guess one could argue that it complements the flavor better than plain sugar. plus, the syrup is easier to mix/disperse than sugar (unless you turn it into simple syrup first). Fri May 15 12:19:49 -0700 2009 4687202 103920 goodhealthgourmet 3 4687533 I was aware that Agave syrup was derived from Agave just like good tequila. I should have been clearer: does it taste different? and I guess the answer is no. Just did a little wiki ing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agave_syrup "92% fructose and 8% glucose; another brand lists 56% fructose and 20% glucose." So essentially you are just getting expensive simple syrup. Sugar is sugar. Though obviously simple syrup is essentially 100% sucrose, which is broken down in your stomach into glucose and fructose: "Sucrose is broken down during digestion into fructose and glucose through hydrolysis by the enzyme sucrase, by which the body regulates the rate of sucrose breakdown." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup#Cane_and_beet_sugar Fri May 15 13:47:45 -0700 2009 4687273 10169 StriperGuy 4 4688082 actually, agave *does* taste different than straight sucrose. the flavor varies depending on the color & grade, but all varieties are sweeter and more floral than table sugar. light agave is somewhat comparable to honey, and the darker amber nectars are reminiscent of maple syrup. Fri May 15 17:24:00 -0700 2009 4687533 103920 goodhealthgourmet 4 4688528 StriperGuy, while the flavor is different (some traces of the floral notes of agave), it is hard to tell the difference between sugar and agave syrup, particularly light syrups (the heavier syrups are richer in flavor). To me, the biggest benefit to agave is how easy it mixes into drinks--it is like a high-quality simple syrup. I have read there are health benefits (the glycemic index of agave syrup is low), too. Fri May 15 21:08:07 -0700 2009 4687533 193495 rlove 5 4691796 Yes, agave has a high degree of inulins.....small polysaccharides that breakdown more slowly in your system. So in this case, sugar is *not* sugar. Agave is actually recommended for diabetics. Different from simple syrup...much sweeter. It recommended that you use about 1/3 less than regular sugar in recipes. TJs carries a small size too, but actually a bit more expensive than WW. I use both light and dark types in all my cooking and baking. It even works well in ice cream...I was concerned that it might affect the freezing point but it was fine. Sun May 17 13:16:00 -0700 2009 4688528 11301 Science Chick 1 4687213 I had the same question (for the same mission) last week and got some good answers - I got it at WF. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/615669 Fri May 15 12:02:35 -0700 2009 4687009 99422 Small Plates 2 4687364 Small Plates: Good call, I didnt realize they sold this at WF's. How did you make the margs? tequila, lime juice and agave? I'm thirsty. Fri May 15 12:47:42 -0700 2009 4687213 291712 NahantNative 3 4687507 It was part of an online dinner social from aveceric.com - Eric Ripert's site - challenging the community to make a certain menu, upload photos and a contest winner is chosen (and wins a Canon camera!) - the recipe is this: THE GUAVA-AGAVE COOLER Tropical fruit juices and nectars are easily found in bodegas and the international sections of most grocery stores and agave nectar is a natural sweetener that is easy to find in natural foods markets. It is made from the Agave plant - the same plant that tequila is made from. 3 cups guava juice 1 cup lemon juice ½ cup agave nectar 2 cups tequila 6 cups crushed ice Stir together the guava juice, lemon juice and agave nectar in a large pitcher. Add the tequila and crushed ice and stir well. Fri May 15 13:39:20 -0700 2009 4687364 99422 Small Plates 4 4687529 Thanks, can't wait to try it. I got the idea from the La Verdad menu. Fri May 15 13:45:13 -0700 2009 4687507 291712 NahantNative 1 4687261 It's one of the things I go to Trader Joe for. Can't beat that low glycemic index, and makes a tremendous margarita. Fri May 15 12:14:16 -0700 2009 4687009 23376 nsenada 2 4687539 Don't see how agave nectar has a low glycemic index when it is essentiallly fructose and glucose in water. Fri May 15 13:50:55 -0700 2009 4687261 10169 StriperGuy 3 4687949 The glycemic index is based on glucose, that is how. Fructose has a lower impact on blood sugar. Fri May 15 16:29:27 -0700 2009 4687539 185127 failingwannabevegan 3 4688123 Glycemic Index of Sugars: Agave Nectar (97% fructose) 10 Agave Nectar (90% fructose) 11 Fructose 19 Lactose 46 Honey 58 High fructose corn syrup 62 Sucrose 64 Glucose 100 Glucose tablets 102 Maltodextrin 105 Maltose 105 Fri May 15 17:37:55 -0700 2009 4687539 103920 goodhealthgourmet 4 4688393 Yah except some agave nectar is only 50 or 60% fructose... Fri May 15 19:51:48 -0700 2009 4688123 10169 StriperGuy 5 4689725 ok, now you're just being difficult. even the products that are only 50% fructose have a GI comparable to that of honey, which is still lower than sucrose. plus, agave is up to 40 percent sweeter than table sugar, so you need a heck of a lot less of it to achieve the same level of sweetness. any way you slice (spoon?) it, agave's gonna be lower. period. Sat May 16 12:58:02 -0700 2009 4688393 103920 goodhealthgourmet 6 4689828 Gotcah, point well taken. In my book, simple syrup works just fine. Sat May 16 13:41:56 -0700 2009 4689725 10169 StriperGuy 7 4689873 whew, you sure made me work for that one! ;) and yes, simple syrup does work just fine. Sat May 16 14:07:20 -0700 2009 4689828 103920 goodhealthgourmet 6 4689868 When you say the agave syrup is sweeter than table sugar, how are you measuring them? One's a liquid, the other a solid. And if you make the sugar into a syrup, what are your proportions of water to sugar? Or are you somehow comparing them on a per calorie basis? I have bought several bottles of agave from TJ. There's a certain convenience to being able to squirt a bit of a syrup on fruit or other dish that needs a hint of sweetening. But I fail to see the benefit of using it as a major cooking ingredient. Sat May 16 14:05:32 -0700 2009 4689725 12139 paulj 7 4689900 i'd like to know how this thread has now become "let's torture GHG about agave." *i* am not measuring them, scientists and manufacturers have done it. don't ask me how, i wasn't there. consensus about replacing sugar with agave in a recipe dictates that you use 25-30% less agave (by volume) than the amount of sugar called for, and cut back on the liquids by about 1/3. basically, use 2/3 - 3/4 of agave - depending on the brand & variety (i.e. light vs dark) - to replace one cup of sugar. regarding your comment about failing to see the benefit of using it as a major ingredient, that's your prerogative. some of us just prefer it to table sugar for various reasons. Sat May 16 14:18:34 -0700 2009 4689868 103920 goodhealthgourmet 8 4689949 The reason, even compared to simple syrup, that agave syrup is sweeter is that fructose is generally regarded as being 1.73 times sweeter than sucrose (from wikipedia.) Though it gets even more complicated if you really want to nerd out cause there are two common forms of fructose, etc. etc. Don't mean to harass you ghg. I just like being the curmudgeon. ;-) Particularly when folks are paying $6 for agave nectar from Whole Foods when I make the same amount of simple syrup for $0.29. Sat May 16 14:49:08 -0700 2009 4689900 10169 StriperGuy 9 4690268 Agave syrup is also completely vegan, while refined sugar is not always, just to put another agave plus out there. Sat May 16 17:29:39 -0700 2009 4689949 185127 failingwannabevegan 9 4690291 i hear you on the price issue, though i never buy it at WFM unless their in-house brand is on sale. i use so much of it in my baking that i typically buy it in large jugs, which is definitely more economical. would it be cheaper for me to use sugar? absolutely, but then my baked goods wouldn't be diabetic-friendly, which is one of the primary reasons i use agave. i'm also convinced that it agave acts as a humectant, because all of my gluten-free products turn out unbelievably moist, and GF baked goods are notorious for being dry and unpleasantly crumbly. Sat May 16 17:43:38 -0700 2009 4689949 103920 goodhealthgourmet 9 4691388 I get Organic Agave at Ocean State for about $3:00 and because it's so sweet, a little goes a long way. TJs has it too for about the same price, IIRC. Sun May 17 09:38:19 -0700 2009 4689949 18253 SeaSide Tomato 4 4692928 Here's a recent blog article that is cautious about the benefits of agave syrup. "Currently, we don’t have clinical studies as to agave’s safety in diabetes." http://susanmitchell.org/blog/2009/04/sweetener-update-agave-and-stevia/ Sun May 17 21:25:50 -0700 2009 4688123 12139 paulj 5 4693102 Sort of makes sense, because the claim that Agave has inulin carbohydrate may be true with agave itself, but inulin is not very sweet. If the inulin is converted into fructose and glucose, typically by heating, then you are right back with essentially having rather expensive sugar syrup that happens to be derived from agave instead of cane or sugar beets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin In fact, on this web site www.allaboutagave.com : "To make the agave nectar, sap is extracted from the pina, filtered, and heated at a low temperature, which breaks down the carbohydrates into sugars." So you have rather clever marketing to the Whole Foods crowd what is essentially sugar syrup. We all want to have our cake and eat it too, but if it is fructose and glucose, it's sugar, all wholesome marketing claims aside. Finally, I find the claim that Agave nectar has a low glycemic index when compared to other sugars rather suspect. After all, it is just fructose and glucose. Fructose is sweeter then other sugars, but then so is high fructose corn syrup which is demonized by the "heathy foods" crowd. My gut is that you have some clever marketing for a product that in the end is just sugar syrup which happens to be derived from agave as opposed to other sources. Mon May 18 01:35:09 -0700 2009 4692928 10169 StriperGuy 6 4693855 "But Brawndo's got electrolytes." Mon May 18 09:21:14 -0700 2009 4693102 23376 nsenada 1 4687429 Marty's in Allston carried it, so I'm guessing the surviving Marty's in Newton does. Boston Shaker, the cocktail equipment and supply store inside Grand, may have it, too. http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/ Fri May 15 13:13:07 -0700 2009 4687009 10143 MC Slim JB 2 4687547 Marty's in Newtonville does indeed have it. I believe it's in the tequila aisle and not with the grenadine/bitters/mixers. Fri May 15 13:53:15 -0700 2009 4687429 256764 yarm 2 4814492 I know this is late, but I don't get back to chow as often as I'd like. We don't have it yet, but it's on my short-list of products to carry. So much great cocktail stuff - so little time to acquire and space to carry it! Mon Jun 29 06:47:19 -0700 2009 4687429 218804 lantheaume 1 4687945 I have bought it at Whole Foods in the past. Fri May 15 16:27:35 -0700 2009 4687009 185127 failingwannabevegan 1 4688167 Stop and Shop carries it, at least the one I frequent in JP. Fri May 15 17:56:26 -0700 2009 4687009 24250 deglazer 1 4688239 Trader Joe's! Fri May 15 18:35:08 -0700 2009 4687009 139904 chicagotransplant 1 4688531 As a matter of fact, I bought some agave syrup from the Whole Foods in Symphony just this evening. Not only did they have plenty, but they had several offerings--including light versus amber versus dark. I bought my usual, an organic 100% blue agave light syrup that I use in various cocktails. Fri May 15 21:09:45 -0700 2009 4687009 193495 rlove 2 4690073 I order it from Amazon - just got "Wholesome" brand, which is on sale this month. Shipping is free if you order $25 or more of any variety of stuff! A little goes a long way, but we use it to sweeten iced tea, put a few drops on a peanut butter sandwich instead of jelly, mix a little with chevre and rosemary for a delicious spread and, of course, use it in margaritas. Enough uses to easily justify the quantity that you need to get on Amazon! Sat May 16 15:54:04 -0700 2009 4688531 47777 janeh 1 4692677 Butterbrook Organic Farm in Acton has two different brands of it. Just bought one from them today actually. http://www.butterbrookfarm.com/ Sun May 17 19:14:43 -0700 2009 4687009 229023 robertlf 2 4692690 I second Ocean State Job Lot, they always have it and so much cheaper than Whole Foods. Sun May 17 19:18:45 -0700 2009 4692677 142853 Alica 1 4814708 Update - I picked up Agave Nectar at TJ's Brookline. I made the Cook's Illistrated marg mix (bought tons of lemons and limes at haymarket) and simply mixed with Tequila....a lot of work for the mix, but worth the effort. Mon Jun 29 08:10:27 -0700 2009 4687009 291712 NahantNative