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Two-timing Food logos, or Chowhound Twilight Zone?

A current thread about “Bob’s Big Boy,” on the L.A. Board, has made me realize I am not alone when I sometimes get a feeling, when traveling the U.S., as if I crossed over into a Chowhound Twilight Zone (CTZ). The particular episode is like a bad recurring dream of “Betrayal.” For example, years ago on a visit to Falls Church, VA, I was driving past a Roy Rodgers fast food. Upon seeing the sign I wondered if the name was related to my childhood hero. I went inside and found a large portrait of Roy. I wondered why there was no such place out west (Roy’s home) thinking, “The kids out west got screwed out of the deal.” Anyway, I had some really good fried chicken and I also liked the salad bar. Two years later my work took me back to Falls Church and I looked forward to returning to Roy’s. The building was still there but the name “Hardee’s” was on the sign along with a “Happy Star,” which seem to be a misplaced “Carl’s Jr.” logo. Same Happy Star with a different name. That was when I first got the CTZ feeling. I went inside to inquire if I was nuts but everything inside still looked just like Roy’s – same fried chicken also. I began to suspect that the Corporate Food Devil was having some fun with me. I was told the star is the same as Carl’s but the food is like Roy’s. I hoped that the fried chicken would find a way to Carl’s but it never did.
Another time I got the CTZ feeling was in a grocery store near Boston. I was looking to buy a few jars of red burger relish (not easily found in L.A.) and I recognized a blue label on a mayo jar with the words “Real Mayonnaise” written under the space where “Best Foods” should appear but instead the name “Hellmann’s” appeared there. Same label with a different name.

Bob’s Big Boy is yet another example. The famous “Big Boy,” an icon, has always served like a doorman at the entrance of “Bob’s.” Now, on the L.A. thread mentioned above, I learn that some “Shoney's” once had the Big Boy in front of their restaurants. To see that would have really freaked me out. However, I found on Wikipedia that Shoney's no longer displays the Big Boy “because it dropped its relationship with Big Boy in 1984 in order to expand to other states where others owned the trademark.” Funny, Shoney dropped the two-timing Big Boy.

I wonder whether other food logo’s, icons, labels, and such are out there two-timing in the CTZ?

Do two Happy Stars equal one Happy constellation?

Carl’s Jr.
http://www.carlsjr.com/#/on-tv-now/ma...

Hardee’s
http://www.hardees.com/

Roy Rodger’s
http://www.royrogersrestaurants.com/#...

Can there be two “Real Mayonnaise” or is one a fraud?

Best Food’s Real Mayonnaise
http://www.bestfoods.com/products/rea...

Hellmann’s Real Mayonnaise
http://www.hellmanns.com/products/rea...

Big Boy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Boy_...

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  1. Ah, yeah, I grew up in northern VA and I remember the Roy's/Hardee's/Happy star transition - Hardee's was my parents' favorite fast food for a long time, and we also had a Roy Rogers in town (and a Bob's Big Boy, for that matter). When Hardee's bought RR, they actually closed the RR instead of rebranding it because the Hardee's was doing better, but our Hardee's put the fried chicken on the menu (and maybe the roast beef?). Then Carl's Jr. bought Hardee's and replaced the beloved blue and orange sign with that stupid star. I have always hated that star, and for an east coast kid who had no idea where it came from, it was just...weird.

    Now I live in Canada where there is a burger chain called Harvey's with...a blue and orange sign. Doodoodoodoo...

    1. Can't speak for the fast food franchises, but the mayonnaise is no mystery: they are the same product.

      The brands' home pages say that Best Foods is known as Hellman's east of the Rockies / Hellman's is known as Best Foods west of the Rockies. Each has a link to the other's website

      Both brands are owned by Unilever.

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      1. re: KTFoley

        I think it is the same with Edy's and Dreyer's ice cream.

        1. re: LJBTampa

          I grew up in Oakland, CA, corporate and original home of Dreyer's Ice Cream. I don't know the source of the decision to use the name Edy's in the eastern half of the country, but I suspect it may not, in this case, be a case of a buyout/agglomoration of the sort Midlife mentions below, because there was an old coffee shop (in the old-fashioned sense) in the neighboring city of Berkeley called Edy's that served lots of sundaes, etc. and really promoted their serving of Dreyer's.

          Regarding Best Foods and Hellman's, when I lived in the Northeast, whenever I heard the commercial jingle "Bring out the Hellman's and bring out the best," I thought about how it clearly originated with the Best Foods version.

          1. re: Caitlin McGrath

            Now even our sacred food hymns are not safe. “Bring out the Hellman's and bring out the best.” W?%T#(^ ? That is just not right. It sounds all wrong and so lame. To me it is like, “in the Valley of the Jolly (Yo, oh, ho) Pink Giant.”

            1. re: Caitlin McGrath

              I was under the impression that Edy's is used here in the East because Dreyer's may be confused with Breyer's ice cream. Is there Breyer's out West?

              1. re: LJBTampa

                Yup, Breyer's in the west, too. I always suspected it was the Dreyer's/Breyer's issue too, as I'm pretty sure Breyer's wasn't sold here when I was a child.

        2. The Best Foods label says 'known as Hellman's East of the Rockies' so they are the same and they are not really trying to fool anyone. Why two names and why the Rockies are the dividing line are beyond me.

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          1. re: babette feasts

            They used to be two separate products, two separate companies. According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellmann... the recipes aren't quite identical.

            1. re: Sooeygun

              Best Foods or Hellman's doesn't matter here. No self-respecting Bostonian would use anything other than Cain's mayonaise.

              1. re: pemma

                Not so fast! My family lived not far from the Cain's facility on Revere Beach Parkway in Medford, and we used nothing but Hellman's! (Still do.)

                We also backed Wise over Cain's in the potato chip wars!

          2. When we lived in Bedford IN, back in '69 there was a restaurant named Jerry's that had a mascot out front that looked just like the big boy, but he had blond hair. Then we moved to Houston, TX in '70 and lo and behold there was that same mascot with brown hair at a place named Kips. Same menu, tasted the same too. That's long gone now.

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            1. re: danhole

              Blond hair -- LOL! And I thought just seeing the regular Big Boy in front of Shoney's would put me into Chowhound Twilight Zone. I wonder if a red headed Big Boy , or an Afro style Big Boy, is out there someplace. Maybe Big Boy is related to Muffler Man.

              Muffler Man
              http://www.roadsideamerica.com/muffle...

            2. Geeky business discussion follows. Proceed at your own risk.

              A lot if this is the result of buyouts of one company by another and a management decision to change certain things or not.

              Then there are the 'intentional' ones: Hillstone Restaurant Group owns Houstons and Rutherford Grill (which are virtually identical) and Bandera (which is VERY similar). They also own Gulfstream (which is similar but not as close to the others).

              One of the more interesting pieces on surviving in the consumer branding world I ever read was an early recognition (maybe 30 years ago) that things change so quickly that one survival tactic is to clone your popular brands. Do pretty much the same thing (tweaked to a different demographic or trend) and give it a different name. I used to call it the 'starfish' system. If one leg withers and dies, you have all the others and the dead one could actually grow back at some point. Think WalMart and Sam's Club, or any number of apparel companies that have a multitude of brands in their stable. The underlying structural efficiencies help save overhead and give the company more options.

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              1. re: Midlife

                I think the most noticeable of the starfish system is Cheesecake Factory/Grand Lux Cafe. I think CF created Grand Lux just so they could have more locations without diluting the CF brand as much as they already have.