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synergy May 7, 2009 10:55 AM

While I grill fish all the time, I've never done a recipe in which you put fish & assorted spices herbs in a foil packet & grill. It sounds like such a healthy way to do it, no butter or oil & wine...? Can you share your favorite recipes that you've used to cook fish this way? My grill is fired up & ready to go. Thanks!

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    lil magill Oct 24, 2009 08:15 PM

    beware -- this actually steams the fish and the grill becomes obsolete. i have a true-life published recipe for bluefish though. seal hermetically in foil and run through full dishwasher cycle without detergent. it works!!! all clean and tidy too....

    1. Veggo May 9, 2009 10:01 AM

      I get nice fresh grouper fillets in season here in Florida. My foil pack method is a little olive oil and dill on the foil, then the fillet, then wafer-thin slices of tomato, onion, limes, and jalapenos on top, with crushed annato seeds (achiote). It's sort of a modified Yucatan pibil style used there for redfish in banana leaves. A little maneuver I picked up in Belize is to cut a pocket in the fillet and insert thin slices of softened gouda.

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        kchurchill5 May 9, 2009 10:17 AM

        Nice idea, intrigued. I've used tomato onion and lime and jalapeno but not inn that combo, anato or achiote seeds I haven't used. We did cook a whole grouper I think in a banana leaf while in Costa Rica visiting a few years ago. I stop over so only their 2 nights, but they cooked it on the outside fire pit and wow, what an amazing dish. It was a friends b'day party so I never got the recipe which I am sorry I didn't. Great fish. Tons of fresh native fruits and veggies, some I knew, some no idea but all good. Gouda, you can't go wrong.

        I have anchiote seeds I think, just never used them other than once is some dish but about 2 years ago. I am sure I try something similar, sounds very good and a bit spicy.

        My friend does one with a spicy mix of chili rubs, fresh onions and lime juice and cilantro and cumin and some odd hawaian spice I can't remember the name. Well he rubs it on, wraps them in leaves and puts them on a regular grill. 30 minutes later, fish. He is over seas traveling but need to get that recipe from him. We had it a few mnths ago and it was amazing.

      2. Sam Fujisaka May 8, 2009 04:40 PM

        One tip: gently fold and run your finger along the crimps to seal. Overly zealous pressing / rubbing those foil crimps tight can actually tear the foil and defeat all you're trying to do with the foil packets.

        1. bermudagourmetgoddess May 8, 2009 12:04 PM

          Coming from a family of fishermen please buy your fish fresh and from a fish monger if you can!

          Wahoo with soy sauce, 1/2 tsp grated ginger, 1 clove garlic pressed, seasme oil and wrap in foil and place on the grill for no longer than 7 minutes, wahoo can dry out quickly!

          Rockfish (Grouper) just lay the fish on lemon slices, a bit of olive oil, ground pepper and salt wrap and grill

          Basil Mahi-Mahi - I lay mahi mahi on top a bunch a basil drizzle with olive oil salt an pepper, this give a nice slight basil flavor)

          For me Swordfish needs nothing more than some olive oil, salt and pepper
          however when I kabob it I will skewer with lemons

          As for grilled potatoes - I take par-boil potatoes, cut about 1/4 inch thick toss with olive oil salt and pepper, grill over med flame you get a nice cross char marks and when they are done I put back in the bowl and toss with chopped herbs like chives, parsley and a bit more olive oil

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            kubasd May 8, 2009 04:49 PM

            I looooove wahoo and grouper! The owners of the restaurant i used to work at would catch them fresh and then serve them at the restaurant..... those were the days we sold out fast!

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              aklein May 9, 2009 05:03 AM

              wahoo is fantastic... however, cobia may be the greatest fish to ever hit a grill

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                bermudagourmetgoddess May 9, 2009 05:17 AM

                I guess I am super lucky! My husband is a fisherman and we eat A LOT of Wahoo - And I agree Cobia is very good!

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                  kchurchill5 May 9, 2009 06:45 AM

                  I fish a lot as well, and have friends that do so yes, cobia, wahoo, monk fish (poor mans lobster) so I guess I am spoiled too down here.

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                    bermudagourmetgoddess May 9, 2009 09:10 AM

                    We don't get monkfish here, but my husband did catch an opah here one once, that was amazing piece of fish...had it three ways, poached, grilled and raw...We are SO spoiled :)

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                      kchurchill5 May 9, 2009 10:09 AM

                      never had that, I tried just about everything and love it. I caught 6 reds and 4 black on a friends boat and 4 mangroves a few weeks ago, I'm in heaven. My problem is I could eat it ever night, between stone crab, florida lobster and just about any fish.. What is your favorite recipe. I'm a purist in that I love a simple seasoning, some lemon or veggies or even just a fresh fruit salsa. I do bread and fry I agree the cheaper cuts like tilapia or even trout but the good stuff, I try not to do too much although I eat so much I do try different ways but always come back to the original.

                      I make home made tarter but only use it on pan fried trout and once in a while a spicy fresh fried grouper, but it really doesn't need anything.. I do like the salsas, it highlights fresh fish without too much flavor and it great over a couscous or rice or any fresh greens as a side..

                      Share if you have some faves.

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                        bermudagourmetgoddess May 11, 2009 07:18 AM

                        I have attached a picture of the Opah...it is amazing they caught that here, it is fish that is caught mainly in Hawaii and the pacific.

                        Being that my father was a shrimper in St. Pete, my mom a swordfisherman and husband a fisherman, there isn't much fish out there I won't eat. Like you, I am a purist, just a bit of lemon, olive oil, salt and pepper. However I do a shrimp dish that I call my Grilled Pissed Off Shrimp, I marinate in Olive Oil, garlic, hot chili peppers and serve with a hot Tomato pepper jam...Wahoo steamed with soy sauce, ginger, garlic and seasmen oil is pretty darn good...swordfish kabobs are a favorite with lemon grilled on the skewer ...gives just a kiss of lemon

                        My husband loves making fish tacos with porgy or snapper. Or I will pan sautee with a bit of lemon, butter, white wine, capers and hit it with fresh parsley before serving

                        We make our own tarter also...with lemon grated onion and chopped capers...I do make a lot of salsas ...Can not stand jarred salsas...they just taste commerical

                         
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                          kchurchill5 May 11, 2009 11:29 AM

                          No that is one big damn fish!! Wow!! We could eat lots of tacos with that guy or gal.

                          I love the Pissed off Shrimp, sounds right up my taste bights. Swordfish kabobs I agree, lemon and skewered are great. Try a mix of lemon, lime and oj and garlic. Marinade and then grill with fresh lemon wedges. I serve over sauteed spinach with bacon, shallots and orange zest. Grilled planks of summer and zuchinni with panko .

                          The Wahoo with soy, ginger and garlic is what I use on salmon quite a bit but on wahoo would be amazing.

                          Tacos, count me in, I like a light mix of believe it or not bagged slaw without sauce, then I add what you added above, soy ginger and garlic and a little meyo to the slaw to make a greateasy slaw with the fish. Some avacado or mango is a great addition, some red onion, and a little pepperjack cheese.

                          Like you purist, I love the lemon butter white wine, capers and parsley ... I'm in heaven.

                          Very NICE choices. Tarter, yes ... make my own but not my own mayo, but usually most others, at times jarred, but not tarter.

                          Pan fried trout or flounder or mangrove with homemade tarter. Just serve me the platter and nothing else!!

                          I do miss the coho and browns from MI, however longer but don't close close to the Opah! That must be a trip to catch. What I would give to get one of those.

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            carriesn May 8, 2009 11:22 AM

            Everything looks good here!

            WHere do you buy the fillets? Fresh from the food store's seafood counter? Frozen? Im a complete fish novice :)

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              kchurchill5 May 8, 2009 01:59 PM

              I prefer fresh and when entertaining always do when I can afford them. For me personally, I do get Salmon from my local albertsons, I also get some from my local Public or Sweetbay. I try to get fresh but they are usually open when I am close by so I have to get frozen or fresh frozen. I definitely can't afford whole foods and my local fish places closes well before I get home. Some frozen are not all that bad. My tilapia (not the best fish, but I will eat them now and then) frozen. Grouper I catch quite a bit so I freeze them myself or eat them fresh. Salmon usually Albertsons or Sams Club. Cod or Halibut, usually Sams or Albertsons as well. Just local grocers.

              But catering or a dinner party, definitely fresh.

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                synergy May 9, 2009 08:49 AM

                We only buy our fish from our local fish store. They get fish in daily & it's freshness is worth the price to us.

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                synergy May 8, 2009 11:06 AM

                Thank you everyone. Great suggestions from all. As my thank you I'd like to share my go-to marinades, company worthy, that I use for salmon & swordfish (no packets, straight from marinade in baggie to grill).

                Salmon Marinade: 3 Tablespoons of honey (or maple syrup), 3 Tablespoons of dijon mustard, 1 Tablespoon balsamic vinegar. I marinade it at least 2 hrs., usually more.

                Swordfish Marinade: 1/2 C. rice wine vinegar; 1/2 C soy reduced soy sauce or teriyaki. a lot of tarragon (I don't measure, just put a lot in as I love the taste & you need enough for the flavor to transfer). This one is my favorite. EASY & delicious.

                Keep the foil packet suggestions coming...I'll try them all summer...& winter...we pull the grill right up to the back door so we can grill all year round.

                1. kchurchill5 May 8, 2009 10:04 AM

                  Sorry for the long response, but I have many good recipes which I love. It is something I love to do at least weekly when I get the chance. The last few weeks I have been busy but I intend to be back out this weekend.

                  I grill fish pouches at least 1-2 times a week. I also do my potatoes in there as well as my veggies. I do parchment paper pouches and unfortunately there are no set times as to what you put in the pouches at what type of fish or seafood makes all the difference. Since you asked about grilling I will answer that as in FL I do it year round.

                  I use halibut/cod, grouper, tilapia or flounder, shrimp, scallops, salmon, etc. It is wide open.
                  First Note: you don't flip the pouch rule #1, also grill should be on medium to high heat, and I always add a little white, broth or whatever to the bottom for a little steamed effect but still roasts perfectly. I also like heavy duty foil, less poke resistant. And I use a spatula not tongs, to move the fish, tongs will rip the foil. Also always spray the inside of the foil with pam or oil to prevent sticking.

                  Ok, recipes, these are generic as I change them a lot as I do all my recipes. You have the method, not be creative.

                  For veggies, I usually just do olive oil, a little wine or broth and seasoning, to potatoes you can even add cheese too. Asparagus, sprouts, potatoes, sweet potatoes, beans, asparagus, corn on the cob, onions, mushrooms, you name it.
                  If you want any specific recipes, just post back.

                  Fish, salmon: salmon with butternut squash, brown sugar and bourbon glaze, sweet potato and spinach. All in one pouch. I thin slice a onion and put in the center of the foil pouch, top with salmon, s/p, then mix bourbon, brown sugar , a dash of red pepper for a little heat and a little butter and top the salmon, dice the sweet potato peeled and place around the salmon, add some scallions and top the sweet potatoes with a little frozen drained spinach. Drizzle a little veggie or chicken broth close up and cook approximately 15 minutes. It depends on the thickness of salmon weather it be steaks or filets and how thick.

                  White fish, cod, halibut, flounder, grouper, tilapia. Many cooking times due to the thickness. But I like to top them with several different toppings .... so here goes. And remember ... just always add a little wine or broth to give the fish something to grill in.

                  Mango, tomato, onion, some cinnimon, honey, cilantro, on top of fish.
                  Greek, sundried tomatoes, olives, onions, mushrooms, pesto, fennel.
                  Fresh, with thin sliced carrots, zuchinni, mushrooms, and fresh arugula
                  Italian, fresh tomatoes, some dried oregano, onions, mushrooms

                  Lemon slices are good on most fish, dill, white wine and a little cream is always simple and great on both salmon or any white fish

                  Soy, ginger, green onions, shitaki mushrooms, or ...
                  Citrus, orange slices, grapefruit slices, green onions, white wine, cilantro and a little spice is a great flavor as well.
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                  So please use your favorite seasonings as well. I don't recommend cheese, but a little cream with the wine will work ok as well. Think of your favorite fish dish and just make it in a pouch. There are NO set times as depending on the ingredients it will take different times, however I do go around 10-15 minutes and it is close.

                  Another hint, always use a mix of butter and olive oil, liquid of some kind is a must, seasoning, and use your favorite veggies.

                  Well that is my version. I'm having grouper in packets tomorrow as well, I plan to top mine with lemon, fresh asparagus, fennel, lemon slices, shallot and some thin sliced mushrooms, some white wine and just butter and a bit a cream. They will all cook together and be very very tender. This version is equally as good for salmon too.

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                    synergy May 8, 2009 11:01 AM

                    Thank you so much for the instructions and sharing your recipes/mixes. They sound wonderful & I look forward to experimenting. One question, for the larger pieces of fish, like salmon/swordfish, I get a large piece & grill the whole thing...do you do a serving per packet for these types of fish?

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                      kchurchill5 May 8, 2009 11:11 AM

                      Yes, I like to do no more than 2 pieces per package. Just easier to move around. Besides it is sort of fun to serve a nice package on each plate.

                      All these as well I think I mentioned can be done in the oven in foil or even in parchment. I do put the parchment on a cookie sheet however when baking and bake at 425.

                      Just remember have fun, fresh slices of citrus, oranges, limes, lemons are great. Any veggies, greek with feta, olives, tomatoes, fresh spinach or arugula. Even scallops or shrimp is great.

                      I do one in the oven (I prefer the oven for this one) where I cook pasta, and put in a parchment pouch, add some wine and herbs, then I top with chunks of fish, shrimps, clams, scallops, white wine, butter, lemon, dill and some sliced shallots, I also add some thin sliced zuchinni, mushrooms and carrots . I cook at 425 for about 25 min. It is a greatminutes. Dinner in a pouch.

                      Have fun with the fish.

                      FYI, swordfish is great with fresh tomato, olives, spinach, onions and even artichokes. Just a little olive oil, lemon slices and white wine.

                      Also, lemon slices, fresh herbs, parsley, thyme and artichoke hearts and scallions. Great over a olive a parmesan couscous.

                      Best part. NO NO clean up and so easy. They are moist, flavorful and just fun to serve.

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                        synergy May 9, 2009 08:45 AM

                        Sounds yummy...will try it! thanks.

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                          kchurchill5 May 9, 2009 09:06 AM

                          Great, and u r welcome, just have fun, each fish is different, each pack is different, but have fun enjoying.

                          One I forgot to mention ... I had some leftover veggie fried rice. I don't get take out much but I had friends over so I had some left. I used that on the bottom, added some salmon which I marinated in soy and ginger and garlic for 30 min. Added some fresh scallions, some water chestnuts, a pre shredded cabbage, shitakis, and some broth. Put it all in a parchment pouch and cooked in the oven 25 minutes later, dinner. A nice Asian citrus salad and all done.

                          Enjoy having fun with trying new ideas and let me know how it goes.

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                      bermudagourmetgoddess May 8, 2009 11:42 AM

                      Hey kchurchill5 being from Florida you should have some good receipes :)

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                        Whoopingcrane Oct 17, 2009 11:19 AM

                        Kchurchill5:
                        Maybe you can solve my riddle. I have cooked fish in foil a few times, but the last time I did, something went horribly wrong. It ended up having an extremely bitter taster and I can't pinpoint the ingredient that may have been the culprit. I used orange roughy and threw in onion, arugula, garlic and laid it on top of lemon slices. (I baked mine in the oven) I have used similar ingredients in the past, but this was the first time I added dry white wine. Incidentally, the wine was perfectly fine for drinking.

                        I thought maybe the wine reacted with the rinds of the lemon or the arugula, but there was a terrible, bitter taste and we had to toss the whole thing out. My other thought was that something reacted with the foil. I just don't know and have not made fish in foil again.

                        Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

                        Thanks

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                          loukoumades Oct 17, 2009 12:14 PM

                          I've had lemon go really bitter on me before, whereas other times it's been fine. Not sure why. Also fish blood is really bitter, did you use whole fish, is it possible there was some left on the fish?

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                            BernalKC Oct 17, 2009 12:20 PM

                            No clues about the locus of the foul taste? Did anything burn onto the foil? Any chance the fish was not thoroughly cleaned? (Totally unlikely with roughy, but sometimes traces of intestine or spinal bits can ruin fish.)

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                              Whoopingcrane Oct 24, 2009 12:47 PM

                              Thanks for the replies. My first thought was the lemon (it almost seemed like it had the rind bitterness permeating the dish). But having never used wine before in foil packets I initially had a suspicion about that element. I don't think anything burned into the foil - I placed the packets in a glass baking dish in the oven. The roughy were fillets and came from a good fish monger her in NYC, but you never know - I hadn't purchased roughy from them before.

                              I also thought it might have been the arugula, but I had used that in packets before with no problem - I just had never used the exact combination of ingredients that ended up being off. Although I see them mentioned together in different recipes here.

                              I guess my best bet is too avoid that particular combination and stick with the fish I know and perhaps squeeze fresh lemon juice in my packets instead of whole slices.

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                          KiltedCook May 8, 2009 04:32 AM

                          Check out Alton Brown's recipes for fish en papillote on FoodNetwork.com. He gives accurate size, times, temps, etc.

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                            BernalKC May 8, 2009 09:33 AM

                            I find two that look really promising, but neither calls for grilling. Which I think is to be expected. This is really a steaming technique that happens to work on a grill or a nuker or an oven.

                            Red Snapper en Papillote (baked w/cous cous!) http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/red-snapper-en-papillote-recipe/index.html

                            Salmon Fillet en Papillote with Julienne Vegetable (microwaved) http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/al...

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                              alwayscooking May 8, 2009 10:50 AM

                              To KiltedCook's response, any recipe for cooking en papillote will work with foil. And cooking in foil over a grill (or any other heating method) is basically steaming.

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                                kchurchill5 May 8, 2009 10:55 AM

                                Basically true, I agree, and I use the same recipes in the oven in parchment or foil. I prefer parchment in the oven. I do cook them on the grill weekly and love them and they are a big for any parties I host.

                                Honestly I just enjoy grilling outside. I may make some foil stuffed bread or even foil potatoes and my potatoes don't steam they roast and get nice and brown. Whatever the method is, they get rave reviews always and I enjoy being outside grilling in the nice weather sipping a nice glass of wine.

                          2. BernalKC May 7, 2009 11:38 AM

                            I just did that for the first time this week with some cod fillets -- so now I'm an expert!

                            I did use butter -- melted 4Tbs for 4 fillets with pepper, fresh oregano, parsley, and some lemon juice. Nothing fancy, but you can add anything you like - garlic, basil, green onoin... or go some other direction like soy, mirin, ginger, and sesame oil.

                            I drizzled the fillets with the butter mix and sealed them up. I think grilling is unnecessary since the fillets are fully sealed and don't pick up any smoke or searing. Actually my results were not that different from microwaving under saran wrap - the fish was nicely steamed and infused with the herbs and lemon. Be sure to serve with something that you can mop up the excess liquids with - rice, baguette... cuz that's where the flavor is. (And try not to puncture the packets on the grill since that would be the end of the excess liquids.)

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                              synergy May 8, 2009 04:16 AM

                              Thanks so much. HOw long did you grill them for? ...the same amount of time as if it were on the grill without the foil?

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                                BernalKC May 8, 2009 08:47 AM

                                Timing totally depends on the size/thickness of the fillets and how hot your grill is. If it is direct/hot with typical sized fillets, 12-15 minutes. Possibly less if its really hot. The times would be similar to no-foil, maybe even less since the wrap retains the moisture and steams the fish.

                                As aklien notes, it is possible to finish the fish with the foil opened. I think I'll try that next time. Or what we tend to do with delicate fillets is form a foil basket and just use the foil to keep the fish from sticking to the grill.

                                The sealed foil approach is really good for retaining the moisture and cooking the other flavors in. If you want the smoky grilled effect, use a substantial cut of fish with the skin on that you can grill directly.

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                                aklein May 8, 2009 04:49 AM

                                I guess grilling isn't necessary, but many of us run the grill all summer... and if you want, you could open the packet near the end with some soaked wood chips on the fire or smoke box (I would avoid the big ones like mesquite or hickory, stick with fruit woods, oak, cedar)... I guess any fish is good, especially if you can get it locally...

                                one of my faves is using fresh-caught striped bass (small bluefish would work well, but the bigger they grow, the stronger the taste and smell) ... cut up some citrus (even grapefruit sections), thinly sliced red onions, garlic, poblano, a little olive oil if you like, salt, pepper, some herb like parsley, cilantro, thyme... wrap that sucker up and onto the cooler side of the grill... roast some par-boiled potatoes and corn on the hotter part of the grill at the same time.... be happy

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