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Hi all,

I also asked this in the Manhattan forum and got some helpful responses for Manhattan. One of the posters suggested Brooklyn as a destination so here we go, am hoping for more details! Would like suggestions and recommendations of an area in Brooklyn NYC where we can bar hop for an evening, so that the bars are close enough to walk to the next one, or get the subway. Basically I've been to NY a number of times but mainly done the tourist attractions and when I have had a night out its either been a dinner or a cab to one bar for the evening and I would love a native New Yorker to tell me where to head!

To try and explain what I'm after, here in London I could tell someone to head to a particular tube station in a lively area and suggest 4 or 5 pubs/bars they might want to visit over the course of an evening all within walking distance or a short tube ride away and include a suggestion of a place to finish up that would be open later if they got late night slightly drunken inspiration! I've never managed this in NYC and always feel like I'm missing out, so I'd love some suggestions from you guys. Usually we pick somewhere from a guide book or another recommendation and get a cab straight there and then do the same when we want to move on - would love to just find an area we could hang out in all night! I know there must be somewhere, I've just managed that horrible thing of always just missing it!

Am pretty open minded but would be cool if the bars werent overly touristy, I didnt come all the way from London to hang out with other English people (although I wouldnt not go to a fab bar just because it is popular with tourists too.)

All help appreciated.

Sissy

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  1. I'm not an expert on Brooklyn, but there are two good beer bars (offering microbrews) on Atlantic Ave. within walking distance of each other in/near the Heights (Pete's Waterfront Ale House and Brazen Head) -- plus you can visit the Chip Shop, also on Atlantic, for some British ambiance.

    Noticed another bar up Court St. toward Boro Hall, but don't know what they offer. Also there's Eamonn Doran on Montague near Court, but I don't recall the beer being that interesting.

    1. Here's what I would do: take the L. train to Bedford Ave in Williamsburg. Hit Spuyten Diyvil, which is one of the best beer bars in Brooklyn, maybe all of NYC. Sample the local suds. If hungry, go across the street to Fette Sau for delicious BBQ and also good beer and bourbon selections. The trip is worth it just for those two, but you'll be in close proximity other great bars others can weigh in on.

      1. Definitely Smith Street. If it's nice out, start at Trout on Smith & Pacific and end at Gowanus Yacht Club on Smith & Carroll for outdoor, beer garden fun. There's probably 20 bars in between those two places.

        1. Park Slope area makes for excellent pub crawl, see Bob Martinez excellent series of posts in the 4th Avenue strip (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/606353), take subway to Atlantic/Paciific stop and head south on 4th ave to Cherry Tree, Pacific Standard, 4th Ave Pub and Sheep Station, possible detour to great dive Canal Bar on 3rd ave, and then head up to 5th Ave and hit The Gate, Great Lakes, Union Hall and there are a bunch of others, always good to wind up at Barbes on 9th Street & 6th Ave for more beer and live music too. Haven't mentioned Dram Shop and Beer Table which are kind of beer geek places from what I've heard so probably not where you want to end up after 8 pints.

          So many bars so little time.....

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          1. re: sadarami

            Sadarmi, thanks for the kind mention. It gives me an incentive to write up my notes from a visit to Brazen Head which I made about a month ago.

            I'll throw Williamsburg into the mix. There's an excellent site which covers the WB bar scene which includes detailed reviews and links to maps and other sources.

            http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/bars/

            I highly recommend Mugs Ale House, a few blocks from the Bedford Ave. L train stop.

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            Mugs Ale House
            125 Bedford Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11211

            1. re: Bob Martinez

              Thanks for the link Bob! There are loads of bars on there for Williamsburg, are there any you would particularly recommend or should we just head on over and have a wander? Also if we come on a weekday night will places be busy or dead?

              Thanks for all the suggestions before - keep them coming!

              1. re: SissyGreen

                I'll defer to the Williamsburgers on the activity level at bars although as a rule weekdays tend to be quieter everywhere than Friday or Saturday nights.

                For myself, if I'm with a group I like a bar to be between 50% to 80% full. After that you tend to have service, seating and noise issues. But other people like bars that are jammed - they like the energy. You may want to specify what you like so people can tailor their recommendations.

                Another thing about Williamsburg - certain bars attract hipsters. (See the photos.) This may be a bad or good thing for you but you need to be aware of it.

                The hipster quotient at Mugs is mercifully low.

                 
                 
                1. re: Bob Martinez

                  Thank you! As an increasing number of chowhound threads tend to include a mention of whether one will need to deal with hipsters along with the chow, it is extremely helpful to have visual aids--now I can just link to this thread. Though I've never seen hipsters around so much grass before...

                  Also, the best smile I've had all day.

                  1. re: planetjess

                    If you go to Bedford Ave. in Williamsburg on a Saturday afternoon you'll see your fill. And more. After about 30 minutes walking around it became too much to stand and my GF and I retreated to Mugs Alehouse for some restorative beers. Mugs has been around for about 15 years and predates the time when WB became a hipster haven. They seem to have some magic talisman posted above the door that stops 90% of the hipsters from entering.

                    Food tip - Mugs serves very good pub food. Their selection of beers is outstanding.

                    http://www.mugsalehouse.com/

                  2. re: Bob Martinez

                    I know hipsters - we have them in Camden Town!

                    Personally I hate a pub when its rammed and I cant get served or get a seat if I want to sit. I'm also bringing my dad along for the crawl - he's a hipster dad ;) so we've got to include places he'll feel comfortable. Basically anywhere with a nice friendly crowd who might wanna chat to some Londoners, good drinks, seats if we want, maybe some music, later on live music might be exciting. Just places that are laid back and fun really. Does that help with recs?

              2. re: sadarami

                Also on 5th I'd recommend Kappa Sake House between 6th & 7th streets for a toothsome selection of Japanese beers. Right now they have a great unpasteurized (strangely called draft beer in Japan) bottled beer called Coedo, available in both amber and dark versions.
                Down the street on the corner of 5th & 12th is Commonwealth, another favorite neighborhood spot, with a great jukebox and always funny blackboard. They make a real good Dark & Stormy.

                 
                1. re: sadarami

                  I dont even drink beer, but Freddy's is popular, close to the subway (Bergen Street 2-3) has music and a good community atmosphere, and could easily link onto the 4th Ave. Crawl.

                  1. re: jen kalb

                    I adore Freddy's. It's a real neighborhood place.

                2. Williamsburg is an excellent, densely packed walkable drinking neighborhood, with a good cross-section of places and...uh, um,....observable denizens. It's a convergence of arty, blue collar, local, tourist, and yuppie populations. And of course hipsters- love, hate 'em, want to introduce modern hygiene to them.

                  I'm not suggesting this as actually feasible, but simply to form a narrative, here is a potential tour of places:

                  The Brooklyn Brewery is in the neighborhood and holds short tours and happy hour tastings. I believe this may be on weekends only. Start here and try some of their beers. There will be other tourists. Walk a few blocks to the Turkey's Nest on Bedford and N. 12th St. It's a dive. $2.50 for a huge styrofoam cup of Bud or $4 for a large Scotch and soda in a plastic cup. Watch off-duty cops and Hasidic Jews scream at televised sports. Play a video deer hunting game in the back. Do NOT use the bathroom unless you are wearing some sort of hazmat suit. Welcome to Brooklyn....Next, go to Muggs Ale House on the corner of Bedford and N. 10th St. This is one the best beer drinking bars in the city with a very good selection of U.S. craft beers. Try an "American double IPA". They probably don't have this type in England. Also, go introduce yourself to the long bearded fellow at the bar. His name is Jimmy. Take your picture with him if he allows. Next, walk down to the corner of Bedford and N.7th. Take a right, walk up two blocks and on the corner you will find D.O.C. Wine Bar. Drink some wine, eat some cheese. Drinking wine in Brooklyn? Go figure......Walk back down to Bedford and N.7th. Very near the corner is an "English" bar called Spike Hill. Don't go there. Instead, go to a place a couple doors down on the left. It's called Greenpoint Tavern. Play a song on the juke box, have a drink, and leave soon after. Go down Bedford to N. 3rd St., take a right and walk up a couple of blocks. On the right you will come to the Radegast Hall & Biergarten. If it's a nice day, the retractable roof will be open. You will not be fooled you are in Europe, but the bench seating may help you make new friends. Head back to Bedford Ave, turn right and walk down to Metropolitan. Turn left and walk down, past Roebling St. to a small place on the left called Spuyten Duvyil. Drink some nice Belgian beers in the back garden area or lean on the bar and take it all in. The place is really a labor of love....Leave, cross the street and try Fette Sau, southern U.S. style BBQ restaurant. BBQ in Brooklyn? Go figure. They have a good bourbon selection and a few U.S. craft beers. Outside bench seating on a Brooklyn street if it is nice out or an interesting cafeteria style inside. Next, turn left and walk back up to Bedford Avenue, turn left there, and walk down to S.1st St. Just past the corner, on the left is a little place called Lenora's Way. No TVs and the bar is made from the lanes of an old mid-western bowling alley floor. Drink some craft beer and sample some artisinal meats and cheeses. They have a patio in the back, but I like the bar.....Shit, I forgot to mention way back down Bedford, then up to N.14th Street is Brooklyn's only bowling alley The Gutter, which has a half dozen lanes for bowling but a larger bar area with excellent craft beers and plenty of brick surroundings...Sometimes I go for Japanese drinks at Bozu on Grand and Roebling. They have shochu and sake and cocktails and a nice, funky bar to sit at. Last couple of times I went the staff was actually Japanese- hopefully meanimg they canned the annoying white pants hipster guy who used to work there.... Sorry, in case you or anyone else were going to ask, the bar with the in-house cocaine dealer closed and re-opened as something else a few years ago. "No coke for you!"......There's a lot of bars in the neighborhood though. Or so I hear...

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                  1. re: Silverjay

                    I love Lenora's way. Spuyten Duvil has one of the great beer lists in NYC, however, it gets mighty crowded.

                    1. re: MOREKASHA

                      I'll add my 2 cents to the 4th ave/5th ave crawl concept: You could start early eve at Taro Sushi for some protein coverage and work your way south. O'Connors is right around the block and still retains it's ambiance and jukebox. Continuing down work your way through the mentioned 4th ave places around St. Marks. If you don't start with Taro and skip ahead to the beers, continue over Union Street and you'll have some great food choices that are very American - Al Di La is a very 5th ave Venetian that's been written about thousands of times here, La Villa isn't anything amazing but we like the pizza and pasta, and especially some of the apps. It attracts a wide range of Brooklyn families, and will give you a wider sense of the boro besides the somewhat rarefied and trendy areas making the tourist books. But I'd vote for Bonnie's for great burgers, fries, and especially authentic Buffalo wings based on recipes from actual Buffalo natives. Their pulled pork and roast beef sandwiches are decent too (though not nearly authentic North Carolina with the former, and not even authentic Buffalo with the latter). There's a great mock diner atmosphere and always fantastic music, and decent beers on tap from some of the usual Brooklyn craft brewers, like Brooklyn Brewery and Six Point. It's a fun scene. Right next to Bonnie's are Blue Ribbon and Blue Ribbon Sushi. The former has a late night menu and might work for the end of your night. Next to them is Great Lakes, useful for observing the young and feeding the juke. Further on 5th is The Gate, mentioned earlier, which besides having a wide selection of beer, etc has a nice but crowded patio. Commonwealth, also mentioned, hasn't too impressive a beer selection, but plenty of Bourbon to choose from (a nice nitecap), great bartenders (as does the Gate), probably the best Juke Box in the boro and a patio that might likely have available seating! FWIW most of the bars mentioned will not have nearly the percentage of hipsters as in Wsburg. From what I can tell based on my highly subjective observation, the Slope age rage trends older and wider. Avoiding GL, CW and some others between 10pm and 1am will help (not to mentioned Thursday - Saturday nights) you avoid pikers, students and New Wave kids.
                      It sounds like you'll have a blast! You'll have fun no matter which neighborhood you visit!

                      1. re: noisejoke

                        Starting with casual dinner at Bonnie's, doing the 4th/5th Ave. loop and ending up back at Blue Ribbon very late for snacks (you can get the real New York raw bar experience or, if you're like me and don't do shellfish, they've got something for just about everyone, particularly tipsy everyones) sounds like a great night to me. Now if only there were a pub crawl exchange program--I could really use a decent evening where nobody thinks it odd that a pint can last more than half an hour, with a few Pimm's thrown in for variety, and the bars have snacks.

                        1. re: noisejoke

                          Nice tour, but I'd skip La Villa. I know you clarified your recommendation, but I couldn't in good conscience recommend it to anybody. I don't like their pizza at all. Bonnie's is a much better choice.

                          1. re: noisejoke

                            These suggestions are just what I was after!! Thinking of doing this crawl this Sunday after brunch somewhere boozy (maybe The Sunburnt Cow - any opinions??) and then coming over to Brooklyn to hit some of these suggestions. If I combine some of the Williamsburg/Bedford Ave suggestions with the Park Slope/4th/5th ave crawl is this feasible for a Sun afternoon to evening or do I run the risk of being carried home?! I like the casual dinner factor as well, so will work that in.

                            1. re: SissyGreen

                              That's completely doable, as long as you pace yourself. To add to the loop, I know that Loki (on 5th Ave., you'd hit it on your way from Bonnie's after Great Lakes but before the Gate) isn't everyone's favorite place (I think largely due to the more UES-like scene that can develop there on Friday and Saturday nights), but I maintain that it's great on a Sunday afternoon--nearly empty, with both a large pool table and darts for some variety (mindful of a thread on the Manhattan board recently where a British visitor bemoaned the lack of bars with pool tables), and both a room full of settees in the back and an outdoor area...

                              1. re: SissyGreen

                                I'd say the combo of the PS and Williamsburg tours would be a bridge too far. Brooklyn is a big place and the neighborhoods aren't close together. You'd be forced to take a 45 minute subway ride in the middle of the tour. This is what we in Brooklyn refer to as a Buzz Killer.

                                I suggest you pick a neighborhood and stick with it. Your plan of using Google maps is excellent. It will make it easy to change plans if a place on the list is not to your liking.

                                I'd be leery about brunch at the Sunburnt Cow. It's an Aussie place that features unlimited drinks for 2 hours for $20. Guess what type of crowd they get. Yes, you're right.

                                If you decide to go to Park Slope let me put in a strong recommendation for Pacific Standard on 4th Ave. I was there last Sunday starting at around 5:00PM and it's really pleasant.

                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/605326

                                One final tip. I expect that at the end of the evening you will run out of energy and be looking to get back to your hotel as soon as possible. The problem is that while the subways run at all times on Sundays the schedule is glacial. If you miss a train you can wait 25 minutes for another. If you need to take 2 trains a normally short trip can take well over an hour.

                                Check with your bartender. They always keep the cards of a couple of car services behind the bar. Call one. It's worth the money.

                                1. re: Bob Martinez

                                  Depending on which car of the G train they're in, though, there may be a cash bar. It's funny 'cause it's true.

                                  Still, yeah, drinking your way through both neighborhoods might be a bit of a test of stamina. Brunch in Williamsburg followed by a breather and starting the drinking in PS is doable, though.

                                  Seconding the car service point--it's really the only way to fly late Sunday night Brooklyn to Manhattan. At that hour, the wait shouldn't be more than five minutes for a car service car (about 6 of which are headquartered right along 4th/5th Ave.) and depending upon where they're going to in Manhattan (and as long as they actually call one of the services rather than picking up a random car on the street--don't do it), shouldn't be significantly more expensive than a cab.

                                  1. re: planetjess

                                    Theoretically they could do the two neighborhoods in one day. After all, they're British. Still, for maximum enjoyment I'd schedule successive days. No need to cram MOMA and the Met into a single marathon session.

                                    :-)

                                    1. re: Bob Martinez

                                      You can do the Met in a day? Props! :)

                                      1. re: planetjess

                                        That's the thing with bar crawls. You've got a list and the List Keeper is constantly telling you to drink up because there are 5 more places to visit. There is a certain feeling of accomplishment to looking at a list of checkmarks at the end of the evening but sometimes you find yourself in a very pleasant place and realize that all the mediocre bars that followed make you wish you had stayed put.

                                        There is a time when the best move is to change the play at the line of scrimmage. Either stay at the really good bar or return to it once you realize the other places are inferior.

                                        (I've done a few of these crawls.)

                                        1. re: Bob Martinez

                                          I think we're all essentially in agreement. I strongly second the less is more approach. Pick one neighborhood per day at best, have your enormous list, be flexible and creative, keeping fun and flavor as the goal, not simply crossing stuff off. Personally, if they did PS, I think they'd do more than fine with the newer places on 4th, and no further than the Gate. Bonnie's and or Blue Ribbon (later) would suffice for eating. I'm taking a leap, but from what I can tell Sissy is an experienced tourist and gourmand and might appreciate Brooklyn/NY/American beer, food and scenes. Ultimately, there are plenty of places we've mentioned that can be skipped including places I love. Regarding La Villa, I have no particular fondness for the place, but I find that culturally Williamsburg and the Slope only represent a small and recent slice of NY Metro area life. The suggestion was as much for people watching as any. Any of us who grew up here or other boros or LI or parts of NJ know that "our people" aren't necessarily represented in full flower at Commonwealth or Marlow and Sons :)

                                          1. re: noisejoke

                                            It's not necessarily a "new and exciting" recommendation, but make sure to try the Magic Hat #9 on tap at the Gate...

                                            1. re: planetjess

                                              Magic Hat #9? Why? Out of state beer...Try SixPoint beers. They are brewed in the borough.

                                              1. re: Silverjay

                                                Why? Because it is delicious and I happen to know that they have it on tap at the Gate. Discovering this fact was the beginning of my love affair with the Gate on lazy Sunday afternoons. Since the OP is from Britain, and I am assuming is not also headed to Vermont, the bar crawl will be a great chance for her to try it--as an American craft brew (now, if I'd recommended Stella (never!!!!) or Labatt Blue (hee.) I might reconsider, but no). Luckily there will be plenty of opportunities for her to try a multitude of beers, including any prides of Brooklyn. Any specific SixPoint beers that you would recommend on tap at any of your favored bars? I've got another recco, too--I tried Blue Point Toasted Lager and really loved its caramel afternotes. I think they have that at the Gate too (not on tap).

                                                1. re: Silverjay

                                                  I think you may be talking about the Sustainable Bar Crawl.

                                              2. re: noisejoke

                                                Noisejoke makes a valid point on demographics if the focus is on people ... especially given the venues cited ... and (considering the borough's diversity) would still ring true if you threw in the likes of Timboos/Jackies 5th in PS.

                                                A "bar hop" ain't no "pub crawl"; though you could certainly map a "pub"-like crawl if this is your aim ... and it's best to "hop" after dark.

                                                Friends hosted from overseas tend to progressively, over the years, head toward perimeters seldom frequented even by locals.

                                                1. re: Silverjay

                                                  A "call" ... I'd expect a tweet.
                                                  I'm fairly certain the infamous stroller-set doesn't wander much beyond the Connecticut Muffin/Union Hall/Babeland precinct.

                                      2. re: Bob Martinez

                                        Unlike Bob, I enjoy unlimited brunch at the Sunburnt Cow. The food's good and the atmosphere is convivial. I don't know what he means by the crowd. It's a good kickoff to either a Williamsburg or Park Slope tour because it's reasonably close to both the L train (Williamsburg) and the F train (Park Slope).

                                      3. re: SissyGreen

                                        Sissy - please take the others' Car Service suggestion to heart. Almost any bar you simply need to ask any bartender to "call a car to they city". There will likely be guys already sitting outside any busy bar. Depending what strip you're on you might be able to hail a yellow cab, too.

                                        I'd suggest finishing at White Castle for the true American experience. But that might be a greasy bridge too far.

                                        1. re: noisejoke

                                          Once again, thanks from the bottom of my pint glass for all your suggestions, hints and tips! Noisejoke you're right in me being an experienced tourist ;) and I will have my Google Maps checklist with me with all your great comments...but from experience my bar crawls, as well planned as they are, tend to go what we call "west" (life is peaceful there!) after a few beers! However, thats all part of the fun and should we find somewhere we particularly like I wouldnt go marching out the door just for another tick on the list. Having said all that, we'll have a good go at the crawl (as Bob said, we are British!) and will let you know how we get on and our faves when I'm back. I'd personally like to compare the areas and draw my own conclusions. Cheers for the car home suggestions as well - sounds necessary after what we're trying to accomplish!

                                          Wish us luck!

                                          1. re: SissyGreen

                                            Park Slope's a nice place to visit during the day. Classic Brooklyn brownstone neighborhood. But at night, while there's nice places to drink, it is has that "anywhere in America" feel to it. Kind of boring. W'burg is, for better or worse, a scene. And it always feels more "Brooklyn" to me- whatever that means. That's just my two cents.

                                            Here's a W'burg car service, whose office is on Bedford, tough the L line is pretty regular these days:

                                            Northside- 718-387-2222

                                            1. re: Silverjay

                                              not going to talk smack about williamsburg not going to talk smack about williamsburg not going to talk smack about williamsburg not going to talk smack about williamsburg...
                                              <deep breath>
                                              I'm sure the OP will have a great time whichever locale she chooses. As long as she follows our recommendations to the letter. :)

                                              1. re: Silverjay

                                                SMACK!

                                                Silverjay - whatever DOES that mean? :) I think I'm getting generational and/or nativist here and I sincerely apologize.

                                                Oy vey! Things certainly change. Everybody I know who grew up in Williamsburg doesn't live there. So besides Luger's, what's "Brooklyn" about the food or bar scene? And so you know I'm being fair I certainly don't feel there's much left on 5th Ave in the Slope that's authentic Brooklyn besides A&S and O'Connors. And look at me frontin'! I don't even remember where A&S reopened or the name of the other pork store around uh, 6th st (?). Oh, the shame

                                                Is there still the White Castle in Bushwick?

                                                Should we send Sissy to Roll n' Roaster? (We go there a lot more than Shmassle's btw.)

                                                1. re: noisejoke

                                                  I didn't know Roll n' Roaster was even still around! I always think their commercials are just some camp-value throw-back pieces put on by the local affiliates. Now I have to go.

                                                  1. re: noisejoke

                                                    I like Williamsburg. It's a fun scene. There are some great bars and restaurants. What's authentic have to do with anything? I don't think the OP said anything about that. All she said is she didn't want something touristy. And who are "our" people?
                                                    And I totally agree w/ Silverjay about the relative fun-ness of Park Slope and Williamsburg, even though (or maybe because) I've lived in the Slope for 12 years, although I don't know what he means about feeling more "Brooklyn."

                                                    1. re: Peter Cuce

                                                      I guess by "our" I meant old and from NY. I'm just responding to differing concepts of "Brooklyn". But, yeah, the OP never mentioned anything. My prejudices are showing. I just think there's more to Brooklyn culture than these narrow scenes. But, you're right - the OP was just talking a bar crawl centered on good beer and maybe some chow.
                                                      I just got back from doing a gig in Williamsburg and unfortunately I must profess it's not my thing.
                                                      But I dig a lot of the places mentioned, especially Spuyten Duyvil and the Bklyn Brewery. That's fun!

                                                      And yeah Roll n Roaster is still down on Emmon's Ave. That's my kind of scene! The sandwiches ain't the Buffalo roast beef on weck (to begin with, no horse radish) but still a slice of American life.

                                                      1. re: noisejoke

                                                        In W'burg, there are native Polish speakers all over the place. There are Dominican guys that hang out on the steps in front of their apartments and drink and listen to music, there are Puerto Rican guys playing softball, there are Hasidic and Orthodox Jews walking around, there are truckers who deliver to local factories or warehouses that hang out in the neighborhood. There's all sorts of people walking around and patronizing the pubs and restaurants. It's not just hipster doofuses in poorly matched second hand clothing. And there are a lot of places with an industrial look or with a 19th century brick look that are pretty interesting. This is certainly more "Brooklyn" to me than yuppies with strollers in Park Slope....not that there's anything wrong with that.

                                                        1. re: Silverjay

                                                          The OP is going on a bar crawl, perhaps of 4th/5th Ave., and would presumably, therefore, be patronizing, well, bars. In Park Slope, like Williamsburg, there are all sorts of people patronizing the bars--the least likely of these to be yuppies with strollers. We aren't suggesting she grab a beer at Connecticut Muffin or Aunt Suzie's (then again, I never suggest that anyone grab anything at Connecticut Muffin or Aunt Suzie's). Williamsburg has its hipsters and Park Slope has its stroller derby people. And Park Slope has its hipsters and Williamsburg has its families. Do you have specific concerns that a bar crawl along 4th/5th Ave. will be beset with roving gangs of Hanna Andersson-clad toddlers?

                                                          1. re: planetjess

                                                            No. I just rendered a simple recommendation between the two neighborhoods suggested and tried to qualify it. Are you <deep breath> interested in a protracted meaningless debate?

                                                            1. re: Silverjay

                                                              Note that I didn't say anything negative about Williamsburg and tried to keep it light. Are you interested in a protracted mean-spirited pissing contest?

                                                          2. re: Silverjay

                                                            I agree and well said. There is life outside Bedford and its 1 block radius on either side. Although, if you want a true Brooklyn experience, try strolling into The Charleston with a bottle of water in your hand, not ordering a drink fast enough and have the old man (or his son, or both) unleash their wrath upon you (not that I recommend the Charleston, but the owners are true Brooklyn characters).

                                                        2. re: Peter Cuce

                                                          You have lived amongst the hipsters too long.

                                                          :-)

                                                        3. re: noisejoke

                                                          There's Jackie's Fifth Amendment!! Also, to add to the list of possible casual food in Park Slope--the burgers and fries at Dram Shop are great. The burger isn't as good as Bonnie's, but their fries are better, and they have bourbon.

                                              2. re: MOREKASHA

                                                I learned last night that Lenora's Way is closing in the next month or so. The bar has been sold and will reopen as something different.

                                                1. re: Silverjay

                                                  SJ - I apologize for any offense to your sensibilities or self. And to be clear, I'm being sincere, not snarky. I definitely get that Wburg has wandering Jews and stoop perching Puerto Ricans and everyone leaning on my car (Again, I'm old and a native, and simply trying to be funny not snarky). But, I guess I was only trying to get across some ideas for a Brooklyn pub crawl that might take note of domestic (US>NY>Bklyn) eat/drink culture including those that might not be in the neighborhoods mentioned and/or quickly disappearing. I suppose I'm a bit defensive. I'd like to think an experienced tourist might enjoy an opportunity for true Buffalo wings (ok, I know LaVilla is a stretch) as opposed to say Zuzu's ramen or the Chip Shop (which we've enjoyed since they opened at least a decade ago but why would a Brit need to go there? Ach, I'm being a jerk again).

                                                  What about that diner on Metropolitan where I used to be able to get roasted calf head?

                                              3. re: Silverjay

                                                Your post made me laugh, it's very descriptive and really mentions a lot of great places, dives and newcomers. Thanks.

                                              4. So? Sissy, what'd you end up doing?