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tpigeon Apr 28, 2009 07:38 PM

Obscenely expensive but some great dishes. Keep in mind that chinese food is not my specialty (I love it but I have been living here for a long time and where I have traveled I have not gone to places where chinese food is exceptional so keep my lack of experience in mind). I would love to compare the food here to the best in SF and one day when I have the time, I will.

Peking Duck - by far the most obscenely expensive dish I had (they do serve it with osteria caviar though), unfortunately it was easily the best PKD I ever had. The pancakes were awesome and the caviar (which I don't like in general) added value to the dish in both taste and texture. The duck itself was cooked to perfection. It takes an hour to prepare this dish btw so be warned. This dish is only for those that must know what the very best is no matter what price so they can compare it to other great ones. That being said, you may want others opinions first who have been around the peking duck block much more than I have before you drop 2 franklins on a dish.

Dim sum platter - again, at least twice as expensive as it should be, but they were heaven on earth. Best dim sum I ever had. Har Gau, Scallop, Veggie and possibly one other (either 6 or 8 dumplings total -2 of each) All were amazing, better than mr chu when mr chu was great and better than tropical.

Crab corn soup- really great but not worth the price to me.

Shrimp Toast - excellent, but overpriced but not as terribly so as the above dishes. I would recommend this dish as it was a lot of food relatively for the money and it was a favorite.

Shanghai Chicken Dumplings - good but nothing special, however, 6 dumplings for $8 makes it the the value champ on the menu.

Wyagu beef pot - not recommended, good but overpriced nothing special, you can do much, much better than this dish here.

Bean curd pot - mushrooms and eggplant in black bean sauce. Obscenely expensive for what we got but I would order it again it was so good. Easily the best beancurd dish I ever had. Awesome job.

Desserts - don't bother - not bad and not terribly overpriced but nothing amazing. I would skip it. I did like their molten chocolate cake more than the one at scarpetta but neither wowed me.

Bottom line. I would eat here again even though it is terribly expensive because some of the dishes are that good. I would have to say I enjoyed my meal here overall moreso than at Scarpetta which I also thought was great and possibly the top italian in miami right now.

BTW service is excellent which was a pleasant surprise given the place has been open only about a week.

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  1. HabaneroJane Apr 29, 2009 06:36 AM

    I don't care how good it is, I'd rather spend money on a plane ticket to NYC or San Fran's Chinatown than give in to these unheard of, outrageous prices. What nerve!

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      tpigeon Apr 29, 2009 02:27 PM

      Though hakkasan is outrageously expensive in general, the peking duck is much more expensive than other menu items.

    2. dmo305 Apr 29, 2009 02:07 PM

      2 Bills for a Peking Duck? SERIOUS!? I just had the duck at Tropical for like $39. No caviar but...

      Did they have soup dumplings?

      Anyone found a menu online yet?

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        tpigeon Apr 29, 2009 02:26 PM

        No soup dumplings

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          CarolinaB Apr 30, 2009 07:49 AM

          Here's the menu: http://southflorida.menupages.com/res...

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          mrmagee Apr 29, 2009 09:22 PM

          Went to the original in London last week. Also extremely expensive, even by London standards. Very good, but far from the best in London. Style and design was top notch though. Dumplings were excellent - so was the mongolian venison.

          1. Icantread Apr 30, 2009 04:29 AM

            From Miami.com:

            http://www.miamiherald.com/226/story/...

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              nikklos Apr 30, 2009 06:29 AM

              Peking Duck with Caviar sounds pretty damn good.

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                tpigeon Apr 30, 2009 07:38 AM

                Good job herald, they highlighted the worst dish I had on the menu.

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                  Icantread Apr 30, 2009 11:03 AM

                  I noticed that as well.

                  When you said the place was obscenely expensive, does that mean portions were small for what you pay? At least in the poultry $20 is annoying but not so bad, though $30++ gets steep for scallops and prawns.

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                    HabaneroJane Apr 30, 2009 02:22 PM

                    the person who wrote that review in the herald is far from a food reviewer....TPigeon, you should have that job!

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                      tpigeon Apr 30, 2009 02:43 PM

                      Portions are small for the most part. That's why...

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                        tarepanda May 17, 2009 11:14 PM

                        Just looking at the price, it's not terrible. The Duck is outrageous just because of the osetra, which at retail is over $100 for an ounce.

                        I mean, the prices are expensive compare to your average American Chinese joints, but that's not the basis. If you go to an upscale Chinese restaurant in Hong Kong or Shanghai, one situated in a hotel, the price would be very comparable, and the dishes are similar to what you may see on those menus too. It's very authentic, and many are not dishes you will find in Miami, though you may see them in bigger U.S. cities.

                        Reading the menu, doesn't look like they will bring a big bowl of rice for free? Yikes!

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                          tpigeon May 18, 2009 06:34 AM

                          I think rice is free, they ask you what kind. Not a big bowl though but you can probably get as much as you want.

                          Portion sizes are small (peking duck is not small btw), which is what makes it very expensive.

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                            Icantread Jul 17, 2009 08:44 AM

                            When I went last week the rice was an additional surcharge. not a lot, but still another $2.50 or $3.50. I forget now.

                            Portions are somewhat small, though it definitely felt quality.

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                              HabaneroJane Jul 17, 2009 08:56 AM

                              what kind of chinese restaurant charges extra for rice? That's an outrage!

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                                Frodnesor Jul 17, 2009 09:56 AM

                                The same kind that puts caviar on Peking duck and charges $195 for it.

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                                  Icantread Jul 17, 2009 10:57 AM

                                  Outrage yes, but the Indians have been doing it for decades. To marginally justify it, the rice was really really good.

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                                    tpigeon Jul 18, 2009 11:50 AM

                                    Look, it is certainly not the best value on earth but the food happens to be great and you can't get chinese food as good anywhere that I know of so to me that gives it raison d'etre.

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                                      Icantread Jul 19, 2009 02:44 PM

                                      In my opinion, it's the best Chinese food I have eaten in Miami, though I have not eaten my way through 163rd street. Additionally, as full as I was when I left, I felt perfectly fine about 30 minutes afterwards. It's definitely odd to pay so much for dishes you typically pay $12, but execution-wise they did great.

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                              racer x Aug 1, 2009 11:45 AM

                              Those prices at Hakkasan seem high even for many of the upscale hotel restaurants in Hong Kong.

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                      ripano May 4, 2009 04:39 AM

                      TP...I went to Hakkasan this past weekend. Based on your review we ordered the Dim Sum platter and the Peking duck. Expensive , but delicious ! After reading your post about an hour wait for the duck I ordered it when I made the reservaton. This cut the wait time in half. For desert we shared a pandan souffle which was lighter than air ! Overall we had a great meal and will definately be going back. The menu seems to offer lots of interesting dishes. Thanks for your review.

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                        tpigeon May 4, 2009 04:49 AM

                        Glad you liked it. The menu is large so I can imagine besides the wagyu beef there may be other items on the menu which are not amazing. I did not do the pandan souflle unfortunately and I was not wowed by my desserts, so I will try that next time. The key to this place is picking out the gems as the menu is very large.

                        I really think they should serve coconut buns for dessert btw. I bet they would do an amazing job (perhaps they have no way to bake them though.,..).

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                          HabaneroJane May 26, 2009 02:04 PM

                          said one Chinese person regarding Hakkasan, "Chinese people wouldn't pay this much for Chinese food."

                      2. hood024 Jul 16, 2009 08:44 PM

                        I didn't have the Peking Duck, but I think it's worthwhile to mention that it is an appetizer... you're definitely paying for the caviar... We had the sea bass though... delicious!

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                          tpigeon Jul 17, 2009 05:54 AM

                          It is not an appetizer. They put it on the appetizer menu because it takes an hour to prepare so you need to order it as soon as you get there. They explain this to you if you ask about it...

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                          joeljcj2 Jan 8, 2011 05:19 PM

                          The hotel is so garish as to forewarn that no venue within could possibly be serious food. The prices are in fact obscene. The dim sum appetizer is excellent,the tofu hot pot is excellent,the duck breast is excellent, and the sea bass was superb,superb. $300 tax 1/2 bottle chateauneuf tip....too pricey but truly a wonderful dinner.

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                            tpigeon Jan 10, 2011 06:27 PM

                            their dim sum lunches are better priced (saturday and sunday)-- merely very very expensive...but also very good.

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                              Frodnesor Jan 10, 2011 07:15 PM

                              Recent twitter report on the dim sum lunch indicated that they've gone to a peculiar fixed menu format, the oddness of which is only compounded by the fact that they were out of several items.

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                                Fineas Jan 11, 2011 10:11 AM

                                I was there for dim sum a few months ago and they had the fixed menu. the food was very good, but part fo the appeal of dim sum (to me at least) is being able to mix and match and choose what you want. I mentioned that to the server, who agreed and said the new format was getting a lot of complaints and she suggested I mention it at the hostess desk where they log any such complaints. If they are still doing the fixed dim sum menu, I'm a little surprised.

                                On Hakkasan generally, I think the food is excellent. By far the best Chinese food I know of in Miami and as good as I've had anywhere. Aside from a few items like the peking duck with caviar and the abalone, most of the items are expensive but not outrageously so. I don't get hung up on the idea that it should be cheap because it is Chinese. I compare it to other fine dining restaurants, whether French, Italian, etc., and consider the prices to be higher than average, but not really any higher than other similar quality restaurants in a resort hotel like that. Seafood and beef entrees are mostly in the $30s, chicken and pork entrees are mostly in the $20s.

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                                Hakkasan
                                Miami Beach, FL, Miami Beach, FL

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                                  tpigeon Jan 11, 2011 10:19 AM

                                  Their portions are very small which makes them more expensive than when comparing their pricies to other restaurants.

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                                    Fineas Jan 11, 2011 03:37 PM

                                    I don't think their portions are any smaller than at most fine dining restaurants. An appetizer and an entree has always been enough and I have a pretty healthy appetite. It ends up costing around $40-60 per person for food (not including alcohol), but that's about what it costs at Scarpetta, Gotham Steak, just about any good steakhouse, etc.

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                                      tpigeon Jan 12, 2011 04:59 AM

                                      Their portions are smaller than scarpetta. You also get scapetta's excellent bread for free (possibly the best part of eating there). You have got to be kidding me comparing portions at a steakhouse to hakkasan.

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                                        Fineas Jan 14, 2011 06:32 AM

                                        I didn't say their portions were the same as most steakhouses. Most steakhouses serve portions that are excessive. Hakkasan's portions are about the same as at most high end French restaurants, e.g., Palme D'Or, Pascal on Ponce, DB Bistro, etc. Scarpetta's portions are a little bigger than at Hakkasan, but not dramatically so. I have never left hungry after an appetizer and an entree at Hakkasan. Have you?

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                                        Hakkasan
                                        Miami Beach, FL, Miami Beach, FL

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                                          tpigeon Jan 14, 2011 09:00 AM

                                          The part about what it costs at scarpetta and gotham steak, just about any steakouse strongly implies that hakkasan provides equal value portionwise to both places. It does not.

                                          People in miami are not used to paying that much for small plates hence my warnings. Also, if you look around, you will see that I am not the only one who thinks the portions are small at Hakkasan.

                                          As for the french restaurants I have been to that serve small portions, every one I can remember at least provided the option to stuff you with high quality bread between the courses to fill you up. I have not been to the ones you mentioned in miami however.

                                          I do consider the high quality french restaurants to be obscenely expensive as well but this is a well known fact that does not need repeating. There is no need to warn someone that Per Se is going to be expensive. People might get blinsided by Hakkasan -- so I feel I should warn people before recommending the place.

                                          As for your last comment, if you look at the very first post on this thread. I ate that entire dinner with one other diner and we finished everything and were not stuffed to the gills...so you do the math on that.

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                                          Hakkasan
                                          Miami Beach, FL, Miami Beach, FL

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                                            Frodnesor Jan 15, 2011 08:35 PM

                                            I am a big fan of the food at Hakkasan but the portions are indeed often skimpy. Several entrées I've ordered come out on salad-size plates (vs. dinner plates) and even then, the amount of protein was often miniscule. I ordered a $35+ steak item which came on a small plate and was 75% mangos and onions. A $30 yellowtail item brought one tiny filet.

                                            It is not true of all items, but for several, they are not what many people would customarily consider a main course portion. I will put it this way: for some dishes, you will feel guilty taking a bite of a fellow diner's dish for fear of depriving them of a substantial portion of it. And that is not an experience you'll have at Pascal's, DB Bistro or other French restaurants unless you're ordering a tasting menu.

                                            This is not simply a case of there being particular expectations or a double standard because it's Chinese food.

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                                            Hakkasan
                                            Miami Beach, FL, Miami Beach, FL

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                                              Blind Mind Jan 16, 2011 05:07 PM

                                              Why are we even comparing a Chinese place to a French place? Bottom line - the food at Hakkasan is fantastic but it's pricey. The portions are between average and small. You will not order an app-main-dessert and leave there full. And their drinks are pretty good but ridiculously expensive. It gets even more ridiculous if you order a spirit on the rocks as they overcharge for the spirits and then charge for ice if you order rocks. Regardless, the space is sexy as hell and the food is good albeit expensive.

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                                              Hakkasan
                                              Miami Beach, FL, Miami Beach, FL

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                                                Frodnesor Jan 16, 2011 08:06 PM

                                                I understand the comparison. Chinese food can be subject to a double-standard: people think it's supposed to be cheap and plentiful, so complaints about portion size could be seen as "It's skimpy for Chinese food." But that's not the issue. In many instances, it's just skimpy. But, particularly if you order right, it's a great meal and you're right, it's a great space too.

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                                                  mvilla Jan 27, 2011 08:45 AM

                                                  I'm dining there on Saturday with my mother and sister for the first time and very much looking forward to it. I want to make sure we order right so I'm looking for recommendations. Thanks!

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                                                    mrmagee Jan 27, 2011 12:21 PM

                                                    Dim Sum appetizer.
                                                    Duck Salad.

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                                                      Blind Mind Jan 28, 2011 11:11 AM

                                                      Mango duck app is my absolute favorite and a must try.

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                                      lax2mia Jan 12, 2011 10:19 AM

                                      Yeah, I went on a twitter rampage regarding the fixed menu. It was indeed peculiar. The table had to choose one of two menus, but if you wanted to add items from the other menu a la carte that was doable. You couldn't swap out items on your chosen menu with those from the other, but it was OK for them to have run out of an item and replace it with an item of their choosing, which was the case with us (radish cakes replaced with sweet and sour pork). I felt like I had to negotiate for my lunch.
                                      To Hakkassan's credit the manager contacted me after we left without ordering (besides the lack of dim sum choice there were also issues our particular server). He mentioned they're working on an a la carte dim sum menu supplemented with the prix fixe menu option. Keeping my hopes up that they follow through, just not sure if they get the numbers in at Sat and Sun lunch to justify it. If they do go back to a la carte it'll come back into the dining rotation.

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