615149 Sun Apr 26 15:28:33 -0700 2009 21 33 Food Media and News 0 4630463 Anyone catch her show yesterday where she touted her "vegetarian" soup? Made with chicken stock and fish sauce. Pretty lame. I won't be asking her any questions. Sun Apr 26 15:28:33 -0700 2009 11995 pikawicca 1 4631441 Guess it depends on your definition of "vegetarian" ... Maybe for Aida it just means no meat. Sort of like vegetarians who will eat cheese, drink milk, and indulge in butter. Sun Apr 26 23:10:11 -0700 2009 4630463 11583 ipsedixit 2 4631622 It will pass the Lenten Friday muster. That's "vegetarian" enough for me. Mon Apr 27 04:55:14 -0700 2009 4631441 227406 JohnE O 3 4636047 No it won't. The general prohibition is "all things flesh and of the flesh". Which includes chicken, milk and eggs. Unless you pay the pope some money. In Rouen, the cathedral's Tour de Beurre was financed by people who paid to be allowed to eat butter during lent. I'll bet somewhere there's a church with a chicken tower on it ... The usual name for a soup with a meat stock and vegetables is "vegetable soup". I'm not sure why she would go for the adjective -- but otherwise, how did it taste? Tue Apr 28 11:05:49 -0700 2009 4631622 25310 Chuckles the Clone 4 4636350 From Catholic Answers Forum (not meaning to thread-jack): "Although a dish containing meat or chicken broth should not be considered "vegetarian for Lent," it could still be offered to a Latin-rite Catholic as appropriate for Friday abstinence. The Church allows Latin-rite Catholics to eat dishes made from meat broth or containing trace amounts of meat (e.g., bits of chicken in chicken-noodle soup) on the days of abstinence. Strict vegetarians though would not consider it appropriate to eat either meat broth or small pieces of meat. The dishes (should) be advertised as "Lenten friendly" instead of "vegetarian for Lent." There are additional links that go into all sorts of Canon Law, but probably outside the realm of this thread. Tue Apr 28 12:18:53 -0700 2009 4636047 227406 JohnE O 5 4666635 As a kid growing up, we ate vegatables and fish ,not just during Lent,but every Friday. My parents really didn't go to to mass except for weddings and funerals, but they always insisted we not eat meat on Fridays. Fri May 08 12:12:00 -0700 2009 4636350 28392 HollyDolly 2 4632221 Ya but that's a pretty loose definition of vegetarian. I have plenty of friends who are vegetarian and eat cheese and other dairy products but they certainly wouldn't eat anything made with chicken or beef broth/stock. She didn't say it was vegan (meaning NO animal products). But vegetarian usually indicates that meat (chicken, beef, pork, seafood) isn't used. Mon Apr 27 09:06:45 -0700 2009 4631441 76776 Elyssa 2 4636157 I think the standard definition of "vegetarian" these days is lacto-ovo vegetarian, while "vegan" implies you don't eat any animal products whatsoever. I don't think any of the common definitions would allow something made with chicken stock and fish sauce. Tue Apr 28 11:30:33 -0700 2009 4631441 107671 queencru 1 4631888 There are people who call themselves vegetarians as long as they don't eat red meat. For some reason, chicken and seafood are okay. However, in my book, a vegetarian soup would imply no meat stock or fish sauce. I agree pretty lame. Mon Apr 27 07:24:00 -0700 2009 4630463 56054 dave_c 2 4686708 ...leading the the observation by the late Laurie Colwin that apparently, "to some people, at least, chicken is a vegetable." Fri May 15 09:28:32 -0700 2009 4631888 113176 jmckee 1 4632211 Hahahaha that's pretty funny! Mon Apr 27 09:05:07 -0700 2009 4630463 76776 Elyssa 1 4632280 fish might be forgivable when touting "vegetarian", but definitely not chicken. Mon Apr 27 09:19:31 -0700 2009 4630463 124704 Icantread 1 4639676 Maybe a stupid question, but this is media news so is this about her and what she was making and how she described her dish or "About the definition of a vegetarian?" To me some vegetarians I know eat fish and cheese, are they true, well, that is beyond my knowledge of all the small differences and personal beliefs but the the fact that there is chicken stock to me is not vegetarian. However, I couldn't play the show, but I did catch a few minutes of it. Didn't she say chicken or vegetarian or am I thinking of another show. Just a thought to double check but I could be completely wrong, I was in and out all day so I may of just misheard or thought of something else. Anyways, I personally don't like the show, she rarely answers any of the questions asked, just a short somewhat of an answer and then side steps to something else. Someone asked her Sat the differences between paprikas, she said well there is sweet, smoky, this and that and then went on to something else. And never explained anything about what the person asked. To me I don't like her. Just personally, but back to the point. fish stock ... maybe, chicken no I wouldn't think so. But maybe she did say vegetable or chicken I can't remember. Just a thought. Wed Apr 29 12:46:53 -0700 2009 4630463 232829 kchurchill5 1 4642278 To get back to the original topic, I think Aida gives some pretty crappy advice. Someone asked about making french fries. I got the clear impression the question about about french FRIES. She gave a recipe for oven fries. Someone asked about risotto. Instead of making a proper risotto, she did some weird thing with putting rice in the oven. Someone asked about what to do with the liquid left over from a pot roast. She did a vapid, rapid, two-minute spiel about how the possiblities are endless, without going into much explanation of what those possibilities are. I'm not impressed with the answers she gives her viewers at all. Thu Apr 30 09:22:04 -0700 2009 4630463 116495 Avalondaughter 2 4643129 She's no Sara Moulton. Whatever happened to Sara Moulton? Thu Apr 30 13:22:36 -0700 2009 4642278 56054 dave_c 3 4643169 She's on PBS. Or was. Thu Apr 30 13:32:45 -0700 2009 4643129 10532 LindaWhit 3 4644371 I've seen Sara Moulton on pbs' "Create" channel on a regular basis, sometimes on weeknights and other times on weekends. Good show! Thu Apr 30 20:46:56 -0700 2009 4643129 117621 poptart 3 4649716 "Whatever happened to Sara Moulton?" She's chasing down hacks with that 12" chef's knife she uses! LOL Sun May 03 06:39:03 -0700 2009 4643129 253154 Fritter 2 4643905 As I said as well, I totally agree. She avoids the questions and doesn't answer anything. She may cook well, that isn't the question. Her show doesn't say or do what is claims to do. Thu Apr 30 17:41:17 -0700 2009 4642278 232829 kchurchill5 1 4648239 Late to this but I think we should be able to agree that whatever the definition of vegetarian is it doesn’t include chicken. Sat May 02 10:36:57 -0700 2009 4630463 23758 Withnail42 1 4659143 I see the recipe is finally up on their website - http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/aida-mollenkamp/spicy-coconut-soup-recipe/index.html - of course, the comments don't mention anything about her calling it "vegetarian" on the show. Wed May 06 09:31:39 -0700 2009 4630463 10532 LindaWhit 1 4686747 Beyond lame...it['s stupid. Anything made with chicken, whether the meat or the squeezin's from the meat is not vegetarian. No way, no how. Fri May 15 09:43:19 -0700 2009 4630463 116047 The Professor