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Apr 25, 2009 07:34 PM

Soy is bad for you

So sayeth these researchers.

That's it. I'm going back to bacon and whiskey.

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  1. this debate has been raging for a long time...and while i'm personally anti-soy, and have been for years, i think the jury's still out.

    1. I am staying on my current regime of bacon and wine. If it kills me it kills me. Fat and happy. And tipsy. hic.

      1. Funny that this study would be British. Like their national diet is ultra-healthful. Bangers and mash, lotsa red meat, and boiled veggies.

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        1. re: Akitist

          Still beat Americans out in longevity stats (by an admittedly very small margin), despite diet, heavier drinking, and dare I mention it higher smoking rates? You gonna go sometime, might as well enjoy it while you're here.

        2. It seems like everything that's good for you at one point is suddenly bad for you the next minute. I think i'll keep enjoying my tofu and smart bacon.

          1. Haven't bothered reading the article, but I wouldn't expect to learn anything new from it. However.... How long have the Japanese been eating soy? Hasn't killed them off. But there is something bad about soy... Edamame! Four to six bucks to sit in some restaurant and "shell your own peas" after they've been cooked in the pod? I don't think so!

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            1. re: Caroline1

              Soy consumption isn't killing them, but it is seriously screwing with their hormones. More and more Japanese women cannot get pregnant without some sort of external medical assistance these days because soy is in everything. It's added to all sorts of processed foods. My guess is that eating it as it was eaten traditionally wasn't enough to cause issues, but these days, it's used to add moisture and longevity to products.

              1. re: Caroline1

                The Japanese don't eat soy in huge amounts. And a lot of soy they eat has been fermented, which changes the properties of it. I find a lot of Americans will tackle tofu like they will a huge steak -- they'll eat up to a pound of it in a sitting. And I knew somebody who just ate soy purely for "health" properties. He just read all the news out there and thought it would be good for him to eat tons of soy even though I told him it's not the best idea.

                The Traditional Chinese Medical view of soy (and I'm talking about things like boiled soy beans or tofu as opposed to soy sauce or miso, which has been fermented) is that it contributes to "dampness" which causes a lot of disease -- ie. cancer, hypothyroidism, etc. You eat a little -- it's OK. But their view of soy is similar to their view of meat -- it should be more of an accent as opposed to the main thing you're eating.

                And Caroline, I definitely agree with you about the ridiculousness of paying $4-$6 to shell your own peas. : )

                1. re: Miss Needle

                  Just a correction, soy is a coolant food not damp (damp foods are watermelon, mangos, etc.).. Too much is not good and agreed it should be an accent. Its a lower calorie food then meat, and I don't believe it disrupts weight loss as the article said because I lost 30lbs on a diet with tofu and other low calorie foods. Excessive soy consumption is not good especially for the elderly.

                  Are you sure about it causing cancer?

                  1. re: designerboy01

                    Eating an excess of cooling foods causes dampness according to Traditional Chinese Medicine principles. And there's really no simple cause and effect relationship between eating different foods (or other things for that matter) and cancer. You have some 2-pack-a-day smokers who never come down with cancer and you have some people who've never smoked a day in their life being diagnosed with lung cancer in their 30s. Genes, diet, environment (including mentality), etc. all play a role in cancer and many other illnesses.

                    I'm of the mindset that excess consumption of soy is not the healthiest thing out there. I'm sure there are other people who think otherwise. I know practitioners who recommend tofu for cancer patients (I, for one, am not one of them). Perhaps they are recommending tofu so the patient doesn't eat as much meat. You're always going to find many different opinions regarding food and health.

                    Congratulations on losing your weight eating tofu! But I'm sure you weren't scarfing away pounds of tofu in one sitting. : )