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Apr 25, 2009 05:59 AM

Last Minute Phoenix Advice Needed

My wife and I will be attending two lacrosse games in the 40th St./Camelback area today (Saturday). Between games we want to avoid the kids. Any pizza suggestions in the area? Other worthwhile places? Thanks.

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    1. re: Pigeage

      Just out of curiosity: at what point do people stop recommending places like Pizzeria Bianco due to the ridiculously long wait times and overall difficulty dining there?

      I'm wondering if it is more helpful to suggest a place that is equally good and easier to frequent. This is not to dispute your recommendation of PB, you were simply responding to the query of where to go for pizza. Again, just a thought I had about where we foodies draw the line.

      1. re: ginael

        That's a question that's been debated before, and I think the answer really depends on the patience of the person involved, the presence or absence of children in the dining party, and any need to get to an event at a specific time.

        In this thread, the recommendation of PB seems more a reflexive response to the words "pizza" and "Phoenix" than an actual attempt to respond to the OP's rather specific inquiry. Love it or hate it, PB is not particularly close to 40th & Camelback, is not open for lunch, and is not a viable choice for a reasonably quick meal between lacrosse games.

        1. re: silverbear

          Hi - silverbear - you are completely correct: I should refrain from posting before my morning coffee - I did not read carefully - apologies to lawyerbriefs for the time it took to click the link and find out my suggestion was inappropriate.

        2. re: ginael

          I wonder, as well, especially considering the criteria of the OP's. After two lacrosse games, I'm not sure that I would stand in line for four hours some 50 blocks (Phoenix blocks) away, regardless of what I might find within.

          Had I seen the OP, I'd have probably said Deluxe (eschewing the pizza aspect), considering that the poster had been outside for some hours and might just want food.


          1. re: Bill Hunt

            Four hours? Do you peeps not like PB? Ever stood in line at Pepe's?

            1. re: Pigeage

              I love PB, it is my favorite restaurant in the world. Truly. But, the wait is indeed four hours these days. Indeed, I showed up at 5:30 or so on a Friday in March, stood in line for 20 minutes to put my name on the list, and some time around 9:45, we got our table for three. To me, it's worth it, but to others it may not be.

              1. re: kjhart

                The first time we went (last year) it was a 2-1/2 hour wait, which was fine with me. Last visit, however (March), it was 4-1/2 hours, which was just too long for us. I love spending the wait time with vino at Bar Bianco, but 4-1/2 hours of drinking before dinner, and I won't appreciate the fantastic pizza as I should. On that visit, we ended up having a nice glass of wine at Bar Bianco, and then headed over to Digestif and Cowboy Ciao. This month, out-of-town friends wanted to go to Pizzeria Bianco but E hates the idea of such a wait now, so we took them to Cibo, which everybody enjoyed. I still love Pizzeria Bianco but we'll go with a group to make reservations (even those they now recommend two months in advance).

              2. re: Pigeage

                No. I've dined there several times, and loved it each time. However, we always had a group large enough to get reservations. I'm sorry, but I just do not wait in line 2-4 hours for food of any sort. It's just not my style. I don't do it in Paris, London, San Francisco, NYC or New Orleans (now I make reservations for upstairs at Galatoire's 'cause I hate lines). Had Thomas Keller told me I could dine at The French Laundry, if I'd only wait in line for many hours, I would have declined the offer.

                Some love it. They thrive in lines. I am just not one of those people.

                This does not negatively reflect the quality of the food at PB. It is only a comment on the lines and my choice involving them.

                Sorry if I offended you with my comment,


                1. re: Bill Hunt

                  My simple little request for a lunch recommendation certainly generated lots of interest, and a bit of heat. For what it's worth, if you're not a line person you're not a line person and that's fine. But it's also no slam on a great restaurant that on some occasions waiting is a problem and on other occasions it's not. The company, the heat, schedules, how much sleep I got the night before (and, perhaps the nights before, as well) all factor into the equation for me.

                  That all said, drinking in Bar Bianco for 3-4 hours before dinner must involve people with stronger constitutions than mine, though it does sound very pleasurable with the right company. Thus, I appreciate the fact that folks have suggested other good pizza places in Phoenix. I look forward to trying Pizzeria Bianco (hopefully this summer), but am also glad there are other alternatives for those nights when Pizzeria Bianco simply won't work.

        3. LGO (pizza) and Arlechinno (gelato) are nearby (SW corner 40th and Campbell). At that same intersection, you also have Postino and Radio Milano.

          If you're looking for something in the morning, you might also try stopping by the outdoor "market" at Vincent (NW corner 40th and Camelback) for brunch or early lunch--lots of good food being served and plenty of seating.

          I'm having trouble thinking of any other casual nosh kinds of places right now. Perhaps coffee will help. :-)

          La Grande Orange Grocery
          4410 N 40th St, Phoenix, AZ 85018

          Postino Winebar
          3939 E Campbell Ave, Phoenix, AZ 85018

          4410 N 40th St, Phoenix, AZ 85018

          Vincent On Camelback
          3930 E Camelback Rd, Phoenix, AZ 85018

          Milano Radio
          3950 E Campbell Ave, Phoenix, AZ

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          1. re: hohokam

            I should have noted that Radio Milano is not a lunch option.

            Man, this caffeine stuff really works.

            1. re: hohokam

              Chef Vincent makes pizza to order at his farmer's market... good stuff.

              1. re: tastyjon

                he makes it a couple of nites during the week too, maybe thursday and friday? friday and saturday? can't remember the day but they are fab. love them!

              2. re: hohokam

                Arlecchino = superlative gelato. Do not miss.

              3. hohokam's suggestions are all excellent. One other option is Chelsea's Kitchen, from the same people behind LGO and Radio Milano. It has a nice patio dining area along the canal.

                Pizzeria Bianco is not open for lunch.

                Chelsea's Kitchen
                5040 N 40th St, Phoenix, AZ 85018

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                1. re: silverbear

                  LGO does have some great pizza, so you've lucked out having it so close. If you decide against pizza, I'd also suggest Delux on 32nd/Camelback for some great burgers/beer options.

                2. Thanks, all, for your suggestions. We went to LGO. Great find! Thanks again.

                  1. If you ask Vincint to do a Duck pizza he will gladly do it. Absolutely wonderful pie, my favorite in the Valley. heading down there for the last weekend in May, his last market day, will have another great pizza.