Why no Coney Island hot dog places in LA?
- Pattonhead Jul 11, 2004 10:06 PM
Twice in the last couple of years I've had the pleasure of being in Michigan where they have Coney Island hot dog restaurants.
For those you you who don't know a "Coney" is like this:
* Steamed bun
* Hot dog with a skin that snaps
* Homemade chili
* Chopped onions
Sound familiar? That's right it's a hot dog version of a Tommy's burger. Greeks run them both and know how to mix mustard, chili, onions and a meat to hit those sensory zones deep inside the brain.
Why don't they have Coneys in LA? The closest I've had was a chili dog from a Pink's stand at the LA County Fairgrounds.
I had Coney's two days in a row on the last trip. One didn't have the skin that snapped and it was a major buzz kill. Why don't all hot dogs snap?
Am I crazy to think a Coney place would kick butt in LA?
Have you tried "Pink's" on La Brea and Melrose? I think its a tad overrated but their dogs "snap" and they load them up with all kinds of toppings.
But I've never had a real Coney Island dog so I wouldn't know what to compare it to. But the pink's chilli dog is basically a Tommy Burger in hot dog format.
Try Carney's. They don't make me think of Coney Island but their dogs are great and have that "snap".
A couple of Nathan's, the original Coney Island dog, have opened up in LA, one near Pico-Doheny, one near Hollywood-Highland. They both suck. Believe me. I grew up in Jersey and that's my opinion.
I grew up in the Valley and always loved Cupid's. It fits the OP's description, especially the snappy skin.
But are they still good? I ask because the last time I had one, it was poor. Most notably, the dog itself was snap-less and bland. This was at location in Simi Valley, a black hole of deliciousness. Are the others still doing it right?
I agree that Cupid's seems to fit the description. I was at the Northridge location yesterday and overheard the woman behind the counter saying that there are only 3 real Cupids left, and the others are franchises. Dunno if that has anything to do with your bad hotdogs, but mine were pretty good.
Most hot dog chains and restaurants generally don't do well in Southern California because we are a car-centric community. We don't walk to places. Places like Coney are much more popular in the East where the population is much more dense and concentrated in one area, making walking from point A to point B much more common and practical, which leads to more foot traffic for hot dog places. If you are walking around running errands, stopping at a Coney to get a dog would be sort of natural. By contrast, if you are driving around running errands, would you really drive a bit out of the way, park, get out and buy just ONE hot dog?
I just don't think people will actually drive somewhere just for a hot dog, no matter how good it is. Of course, there are exceptions like Pink's, but those are due to a combination of slick marketing, good location, and happenstance. I just don't think we will ever see a hot dog chain in SoCal on the scale of an In 'N Out.
The one place where a hot dog chain might thrive is in a mall or shopping center, but then we already have the Hot Dog on a Stick stores. Those work because you can buy and walk and eat them at the same time. A chili dog is sort of messy and really calls for a table and chair.
Just my 0.02.
I don't think we have those Greek-run joints here in LA. I went to one of the Coney's in the Detroit area a couple years back, close to or maybe in Southfield. I have no idea what I ate and don't remember if I liked the food or not. The person who took me there was originally from New York and I think the food and/or ambience evoked in him some homesickness or something. Sort of how I feel when eating at Tito's. Maybe you have to be from there to get it.
re: ipse dixit
There most definitely *IS* a Southern California hot dog chain that can be compared with In-N-Out Burgers. It's (Der) Wienerschnitzel. Longtime Angelenos will tell you about the proliferation of red roofed A frames in the late 60s and can sing the Wienerschnitzel theme song thirty five years later. I recently reviewed their dogs... see the Hot Dog Spot website... and found some of them to be pretty good... no snap but otherwise fine.
re: ipse dixit
I disagree with your theory that folks in LA won't drive for a hot dog. I drove 100 miles, round trip for a Chicago Dog on my birthday. I could've had anything I wanted, done anything I wanted, and that's what I chose to do.
The real reason LA has no good hot dog joints is because the Dodgers with those flacid Farmer John weinies have denied Los Angeles their hot dog heritage! Native Angelino's have no idea what a good hot dog is. They think going to Weinerschnizel or Hot Dog on a Stick is a good hot dog. PU-LEEZ. No wonder they won't search out a good dog.
Pink's is pretty good. Has the requisite history, however it's a shame that everytime you see a show on TV about hot dogs they always go to Pinks in LA. There must be many more places out there.
I'm a Chicago Dog kinda girl, so here are my picks:
Champs in Los Alamitos on Seal Beach Blvd.
Mustards Last Stand in Los Alamitos on Katella
Windy C's Chicago Dogs in Upland off of Mountain
Chicago Harv's, Chapman Ave in Fullerton
re: Pretty patty
"I disagree with your theory that folks in LA won't drive for a hot dog. I drove 100 miles, round trip for a Chicago Dog on my birthday. I could've had anything I wanted, done anything I wanted, and that's what I chose to do."
Hear, hear! On my mother's 82nd birthday she had my sister drive her to some joint where she hobled out of the car with her walker and scarfed a bagel dog.
re: Pretty patty
We're from NYC and still looking for a good hot dog in Southern Cal. A few people have mentioned Chicago Harv's on Chapman in Fullerton. We've been there and in our opinion it's not good at all. We can't figure out why people are even mentioning it. We haven't yet tried Katella Deli in Los Alamitos. They use Vienna. We're still searching for Sabrett's dogs in Orange County. Anyone know of anyplace here in OC which sells/serves Sabrett's?
If you get desperate there's a Nathan's in the mall in West Covina, and another in some mall in Rancho Cucamonga. The one in Rancho killed me because -- wait for it -- they DIDN'T HAVE SAUERKRAUT. I damn near fell over, I mean, it's Nathan's! You get two hot dogs with kraut and put the brown mustard on, and a thing of fries with that little two-tined fork thing, and a drink.
And then I went to A&W in Terminal C of Newark Airport last week and they didn't have sauerkraut either. Damn it, everyone from New York knows that hot dogs get eaten with sauerkraut!
To the OP -- lots of places have chili dogs but there aren't really Detroit-style Coneys [meaning the hot dog stands] around. There is, or was, a hot dog stand in a really depressing food court in the basement of one of the court buildings (the one east of Clara Shortridge Foltz) in downtown LA that had what might be closest to Detroit Coneys [the hot dogs themselves]. They also had pizza with tarragon vinegar available. I don't live in LA County anymore, so I don't get jury doody downtown, and don't know if it still exists.
For those who haven't noticed that this is an old thread, the Wiener Factory in Sherman Oaks is no more. :(
Although they're too big to fit my definition of a "coney", I am partial to the dogs at The Stand, which has outlets in Encino and Century City.
17000 Ventura Blvd Ste 204, Encino, CA 91316
Piknic Century City
2000 Avenue, of the Stars Los Angeles, CA
re: Pretty patty
Pinks is a local JOKE . . . if you want a decent dog you can try ANY of the local stands from the San Fernando Valley to Seal Beach. And if Steve likes a dog, there is a DAMN good reason why.
And as for the dodgers, you have to go back a long way to get a good dog. It hasn't always been a sad dog. Years ago the dogs were natural casing, cooked on a griddle and had steamed buns. But ALL good things come to an end just as everybody has to grow old.
You want a good Coney island dog . . . go to Coney Island. If you want a good Los Angeles dog try ANY good stand in the county.
Carney's on Sunset
Larry's in Burbank
Chronies in East L.A.
Order it the way you want it and enjoy! But please stop crying about what L.A. doesn't have . . . L.A. is the FAST FOOD capitol of the nation. Find a spot and enjoy.
As a born-and-bred Burbankian, I allways went to Carney's on Sunset in my teenage, hot dog craving years. It's got great atmosphere, and I allways enjoyed the chili dogs emmensly. It's been oh........20 *coughcough* years at least since i've eaten at Carney's. Hope they are still as good!
All my trips to Tommy's over my lifetime, and i've NEVER ordered a chili dog! Are they good? Can't go wrong with the burger, so i'd wager the dog is decent to good. Las Vegas finally has Tommy's now, just so people know . I've allready been out twice in 2 weeks! *LOL* I really gotta try their dogs, now. Plus, the breakfast sandwich- which sounds like it would cause serious heartburn by 11am!
re: ipse dixit
Ipse, people in Detroit drive more than people do in LA.
I can't stand when New Yorkers whine about how the only good place to have a slice of pizza is in NY, but I have to say I haven't had a real Coney Dog out here. They look and taste so unhealthy, it's probably against some health codes out here. But they're marvelous.
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