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FourSeasons Apr 13, 2009 10:28 PM

I am starting this thread due to the question posed by jindomommy. Most of the past threads have focused on the best stalls on specific dish (such as best wanton noodle) and the best restaurants (such as top end haute cuisine and best dim sum) etc etc. I don't recall any thread that ask what are the top favorite dishes of fellow hounds in Hong Kong/Macau, so I thought this would be an interesting topic.

I suggest fellow hounds recommend their top 10 favorite dishes in the city, and please include the names of restaurants as well.

  1. HKTraveler Nov 20, 2009 01:03 AM

    Just realized that I never added my top 10 dishes:

    Mine are in no particular order but just things that I like

    1) Almond bun at West Villa. Personally, I prefer this to the Fu Sing's BBQ pork bun.
    2) BBQ Pork/Char Siu from Joy Hing. Half fatty/half lean.
    3) Roast duck at Wai Kee. Some people like the roast duck with the curry sauce but I just like the roast duck rice here sans sauce.
    4) Crab meat Xiao Long Bao at Victoria Seafood. Actually haven't tried this for years. Never got around to it. I did try the ones at Old Shanghai recently and they were very good as well. If their skins is a bit thinner, then I would say they are on a par with each other.
    5) Salty soy bean milk at 上海美華菜館. Am a big fan of salty soy bean and whenever I get up early, you will find me here.
    6) Fried rice at 富東粵菜. They normally do this in the corridor and just thinking about the smell of this fried rice gets me hungry!
    7) Canto fusion at Bo Innovation. There are a number of dishes that I like from hairy crab souffle, bubble sesame soup, salty lemon custard, ....
    8) Pasta dish at Cipriani. Actually don't remember the exact name, just a simple plate of linguine with ham? Supposed to be their house specialty pasta.
    9) Olive oil/sea salt chocolate from Le Monde. My hands down fav chocolate in town. Sad part is the last two times that I have been back, they don't taste as good anymore. Will give them another try next week!
    10) Satay fat beef noodle from Tsui Wah. Maybe not really in the same league as some of the above, but when you are drunk, this is heaven on earth!

    1 Reply
    1. re: HKTraveler
      FourSeasons Nov 21, 2009 02:44 AM

      I have tried three of your list (no.2, 4, 7). I love the crab roe XLB at Victoria many years ago too. But since the chef left to set up Fu Sing, I have always tried it at Fu Sing. From Oct to Dec at the peak season for hairy crab, the crab roe XLB at Fu Sing/Victoria is just heavenly delicious.

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      jindomommy Apr 15, 2009 08:21 PM

      Thanks Everyone! My mouth is officially watering. I will definitely be hitting many of the restaurants mentioned.

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      1. re: jindomommy
        FourSeasons Apr 15, 2009 11:04 PM

        Just need to clarify many of the dishes are not for solo diners. Not sure if you are aware most Chinese prefer to dine in group, the bigger the better so there are more selection and varieties. Another point is some can be very expensive, especially the seafood items. Just beware of that!

        1. re: FourSeasons
          Charles Yu Apr 16, 2009 06:14 AM

          A heavenly 'tiny' dish that I forgot to mention is the pan fried 'Cho-bak' salted fish from Yung Kee. Unlike most salted fish, steamed or pan fried, Yung Kee's version is not overly salty. Supposed to be a condiment or side dish to augment ones rice, however, whenever I ordered that, I usually finish it all before the rice arrive!

          1. re: Charles Yu
            FourSeasons Apr 16, 2009 07:14 AM

            Haha...I thought of additional one or two dishes too since I posted above. I guess it will be an endless move the more we think so I will just leave the same list behind.

          2. re: FourSeasons
            skylineR33 Apr 16, 2009 08:09 AM

            Yes. The minimum order of the chiu chow welk (生灼螺片) is 4 slices !! It is expensive, but it is so delicious to me. I can finish 5 slices easy which is just like appetizer ! haha. It is full of seafood sweetness, so delicate in taste. The texture is amazing, so smooth, at the same time it gives a nice 'bite' to have a senational 'mouthfeel' of the body of the meat. It is good that the welk dish comes with a bed of bean sprout and chinese ham, which are also nice to go with. Maybe if going solo, one can order the following to have a feast ?!

            welk
            chiu chow shark fin
            half braised soya goose + a bowl of chiu chow congee

            1. re: skylineR33
              FourSeasons Apr 16, 2009 09:29 AM

              Your description is perfect. Sound like a cheap congee meal but I estimate it would be in the range of HK$1,500-2,000. Does that sound right?

              1. re: FourSeasons
                skylineR33 Apr 16, 2009 08:00 PM

                And one may end up having a table at the entrance as the restaurant is always full at prime dinner time and they don't really care ! Five star food, 1 star service ?! What a restaurant with characteristic !

              2. re: skylineR33
                Charles Yu Apr 16, 2009 05:08 PM

                Hello Masters!

                The whelk is about HK $200 a slice. 5 slices for one person alone as appertizer!! Wow! Thats $1000!! Almost enough for a tasting menu at some Western 2*!! As Peech says: 'So Bull Market'!!! Ha!

                BTW, on the subject of Chiu Chow. Years ago I had a dish called ' Gwut Shui Mun Sam Seen' Its a dish where they braise bone marrow, quail's eggs, de-boned duck's web, abalone and straw mushrooms with oyster sauce. It was soooooo good. My favourite chui chow dish by far! I wonder if those Sheung Wan eateries serve it anymore?! This is one dish that could make me forget about my cholesterol level!!

                1. re: Charles Yu
                  skylineR33 Apr 16, 2009 07:56 PM

                  I am no Master la ! I have had 'Gwut Shui Mun Sam Seen' at the old and authentic restaurant Chuen Cheung Kui (泉章居), I think they still have it.

                  1. re: skylineR33
                    Charles Yu Apr 16, 2009 08:24 PM

                    Believe it or not? The last time I had that dish was at 'Calgary' - of all places!! The chef/owner of the restaurant used to be the head chef of HK's Universal ( Wan Kau ) Chiu Chow. It was one of the best Chiu Chow restaurant in HK about 20 years ago!

                    1. re: Charles Yu
                      skylineR33 Apr 16, 2009 10:04 PM

                      Wow, looks like you had a great meal there.

                      The most unforgetable Chiu Chow meal for me is at "Ah Dee" private kitchen more than 20 years ago in a old building in Central ! But he is retired now. I think he is one of the first guy in HK to do private kitchen back in the early 80s. Hole in the wall with zero decoration, we once saw 林青霞 there !

                      1. re: skylineR33
                        FourSeasons Apr 17, 2009 02:09 AM

                        I also saw 林青霞 in my back-then favorite Si chuan restaurant in Happy Valley 15 years ago. Unfortunately, that restaurant closed down during the Asian Crisis.

                        1. re: skylineR33
                          K K Nov 19, 2009 12:41 PM

                          "The most unforgetable Chiu Chow meal for me is at "Ah Dee" private kitchen more than 20 years ago in a old building in Central ! But he is retired now. I think he is one of the first guy in HK to do private kitchen back in the early 80s. Hole in the wall with zero decoration, we once saw 林青霞 there !"

                          OMG you said Ah Dee.

                          My family and I used to go there in the early to mid 80s, it was hands down my favorite "private kitchen" while growing up and THE place to have Chiu Chow food. The strange thing is that his private kitchen was not too far from my grandparent's place of work (they used to own a company brokering stocks/shares).

                          Ahh Dee pretty much worked out of an office space that also looked like it was outfitted with a small kitchen. During the day the place probably looked like a regular office with phones, accounting books etc. At night they push most of the stuff aside and put out folding tables and stools. People had to be buzzed in to enter. Customers were all regulars and only knew about the place by word of mouth.

                          My dad used to call their dishwashing operation "Johnny Three Buckets". That's because they pretty much just dip the dirty dishes into a big red bucket of detergent water. Very hard not to think about it, but good thing was that I was just a kid and hygiene was the last thing on my mind since the food was mindblowingly good.

                          But enough of that...Ah Dee was LEGENDARY....the Pepper chicken with crispy leaf, the chiu chow style soy sauce marinated goose, cubed pig's blood. It was total heaven.

                          Ah Dee must be 70+ by now if he is still alive.

                          The other place my family used to go to a lot, and also because certain family were members, also in Central, was a defunct club with a very high end restaurant, called Yuen Dong (Far East). I heard eventually they closed, and the chefs went to Vancouver and started up a restaurant by the same Chinese name. Anyone know what I am talking about?

                          1. re: K K
                            skylineR33 Nov 20, 2009 05:39 AM

                            The pepper shrimp or squid with crispy leaf is also something out of this world, can't found the same standard in terms of quality of ingradient used and preparation anymore.

                            And the 'sweet' dish, Stir fried sugar coated taro (反沙芋頭) !! Perfect stir fried timing on wok with a consistent thin layer of sugar coated, which put the version at Sheung Hing and Chong Fat to shame.

                      2. re: skylineR33
                        HKTraveler Apr 16, 2009 08:59 PM

                        yeah, they still have it, saw it on menu several days ago

                        1. re: HKTraveler
                          FourSeasons Apr 16, 2009 11:47 PM

                          Hi HKT:

                          How about revealing your own top 10 dishes? Would love to know those on your list.

                      3. re: Charles Yu
                        FourSeasons Apr 17, 2009 02:13 AM

                        Hi Charles:

                        When I was in Foo Lam Moon on my last trip to Hong Kong, the server quoted (if I recall correctly) around HK$2,000 for a small whelk that can be sliced to 4 pieces. That is HK$500 per slice!!! I tried to bargain to check if another table will share that whelk with my table. Of course, unsuccessful. Peech thought that was a hilarious joke but I was dead serious. Thought with such a depressed economy, anything can be bargained!!!

                        1. re: FourSeasons
                          Charles Yu Apr 17, 2009 06:26 AM

                          Personally, I don't mind dishing out those type of money for 'bigger head' Japanese dried abalone but not whelks. Apart from the taste and aroma, the abalone needs more 'chew'! More 'chew for the buck' = More enjoyment = Better value! Ha!!

                          1. re: Charles Yu
                            skylineR33 Apr 17, 2009 07:14 PM

                            It is strange that there is no abalone in any of the Top 10 yet ?! Maybe it is no. 11 ?

                            1. re: skylineR33
                              Charles Yu Apr 17, 2009 08:33 PM

                              I mentioned the braised chicken feet with abalone of 'Farmhouse' in my top 10. However, I think the chicken feet were actually tastier and more fun to eat than the abalone! Ha!

                              Talking about abalone. I remembered when I was young and abalone was still relatively cheap in HK, one can actually get cooked ones from convenient stores as 'snacks'!! Once in a while, before watching a movie in cinema, I would get a couple from nearby store, have them cut it in slices, put a little bit of sesame oil on top and then take them inside the cinema and munch on them as snacks!. Those were the days!! Potato chips! Step aside!! Ha! Also, one could get really yummy snacks in the form of chili baby whelks, curry or oyster sauce squid, charbroiled cuttlefish and five spice beef innards from stores or hawker stalls next to the cinemas. Unlike nowadays, no one would eat fish balls since they were too cheap and not 'sophisticated' enough!

                              Also, when I was a child, serving whole plates of 20 head or bigger abalone was a common thing during birthday or wedding banquets. A lot of time, the host would like to arrange a few tables for children alone. If I were amongst the eldest, I would take advantage of my size by using toothpicks as my weapon when the abalones were served! Instead of chopsticks, I would use toothpicks to 'spear' a few of them and then picked them up in one single scoop!! Man! I was baaaaaad!! Ha!

                              1. re: Charles Yu
                                skylineR33 Apr 18, 2009 09:22 PM

                                I see, I thought it was chicken feet with abalone sauce...

                                oh..... the charbroiled cuttlefish !! It is definitely my favourite among those stalls outside the cinema in the old days. The one that they charbroiled right in front of you after you ordered, right ? I remember it was already very expensive like 15 to 20 years ago, which was priced at $100 for a whole charbroiled cuttlefish !!!

                                1. re: skylineR33
                                  Charles Yu Apr 19, 2009 04:08 AM

                                  Yeh! Better than Tacos or hot dogs one gets in North America!
                                  Expensive outings! Always spend more money on snacks than the movie ticket!

                          2. re: FourSeasons
                            skylineR33 Apr 17, 2009 06:29 AM

                            I wonder why welk are so expensive ? Is it a special species in HK ? Anyone has any idea ? I love it but it is just too damn expensive !!! Thanks.

                            1. re: skylineR33
                              FourSeasons Apr 17, 2009 10:00 PM

                              Hi skylineR33:

                              Not an expert on whelk but I think there are many types of whelk. I have no idea the type and origin of the one used by Sheung Hing or Fook Lam Moon; all I know they taste the best and most expensive. The one I just ate yesterday, a Chilean sea whelk, at a well known Cantonese restaurant here in Singapore, was terrible.

                              Why no abalone? I almost include a dish of abalone and goose web on abalone sauce in Chung's Cuisine on the list but that was like 4-5 years ago and the memory was fuzzy so I exclude it.

                            2. re: FourSeasons
                              Peech Apr 18, 2009 12:01 AM

                              FS, I am surprised that the waiters at FLM didn't throw you out of the restaurant for bargaining...

                              1. re: Peech
                                FourSeasons Apr 18, 2009 12:56 AM

                                Haha...I guess that is because the economy was so bad. Probably would have been thrown out in a bull market. They finally think it is not such a bad idea to have customers who are not tycoons, celebrities and bankers!!!

                          3. re: skylineR33
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                            mikey8811 Apr 20, 2009 08:39 AM

                            By the way, what is the pinyin for whelk? I can't figure out how to say it in Cantonese - sorry don't read Chinese...

                            1. re: mikey8811
                              skylineR33 Apr 20, 2009 10:34 AM

                              "Whelk slices" (螺片) in cantonese is "lor pin" .

                              1. re: skylineR33
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                                mikey8811 Apr 21, 2009 08:17 PM

                                Thanks - I guess as you guys say it is a diff breed of whelk. I don't remember whelks costing so much - the prices mentioned here seem similar to abalone

                      4. Peech Apr 15, 2009 05:27 AM

                        Sounds like fun...although my Macau list will be short as I'm not a frequent visitor

                        HK:
                        1. Tin Heung Lau (天香樓) - smoked yellow fish (煙薰黃魚)
                        2. Tin Heung Lau (天香樓) - beggar's chicken (富貴雞)
                        3. Tasty Happy Valley (正斗) - stir-fried beef noodles (干炒牛河)
                        4. Yung's Club (Yung Kee's 8th floor) - Steamed giant labird (清蒸蘇眉) - simply the best steamed fish I have ever had
                        5. Victoria's Seafood (海都) - baked Shanghainese buns with scallions and ham (黃橋燒餅)
                        6. Fook Lam Moon (福臨門) - pan-fried giant pomfret (香煎大鯧魚)
                        7. Grandma's sweet tofu (亞婆豆腐花) on Lamma Island
                        8. Kimberley Restaurant (君怡閣) - the most awesome roast suckling pig stuffed with sticky rice
                        9. Tam Keung's Congee (健味粥) - Braised pig's knee (柱候醬扣豬膝) with vemicelli
                        10a. Farm House (農圃) - pig's lung soup (豬肺湯)
                        10b. Kimberley Restaurant (君怡閣) - ox bone soup
                        It was a dead-heat between these two soups...

                        Macau:
                        1. Fernando's - roast suckling pig (garlic prawns is a close second)
                        2. Porto Exterior - baked duck rice
                        3. Porto Exterior - bacalhau a bras

                        4 Replies
                        1. re: Peech
                          FourSeasons Apr 16, 2009 09:52 AM

                          Maybe I should try Kimberley Restaurant (君怡閣) on my next trip. To have 2 dishes on Peech's top 10 list, this place must be special and pretty impressive.

                          1. re: Peech
                            s0memale Apr 17, 2009 04:43 PM

                            I had "3. Tasty Happy Valley (正斗) - stir-fried beef noodles (干炒牛河)" on my last trip to HK in Ocotober. Really was the best 干炒牛河 I ever had!

                            I actually added Tasty to my 'must go to' in Hong Kong partly cause of that dish!

                            1. re: s0memale
                              Charles Yu Apr 17, 2009 06:32 PM

                              So glad to hear that you too have discovered this gem of a dish! The use of yellowing chives instead of spring onions really make the dish unique, especially when compare to the traditional version we get in Toronto. The quality of the dark soy and the wok-hay was spot on as well! Did you try their won-ton noodle as well? Happens to be skylineR33 and my favourite. Again, the use of the chives and shrimp roe really makes a different. The pig's liver rice congee was very good too. No way one can get 'wong-sa' pig's liver in Toronto.

                            2. re: Peech
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                              ey2006 Apr 28, 2009 03:17 AM

                              Hi Peech, in relation to 亞婆豆腐花, is there one in Lamma Island? I searched for it to get the address on openrice and I only found one but it is in Tai Po? The other search result was 建興亞婆豆腐花 Kin Hing Tofu Dessert in Lamma Island.

                              Are there 2 亞婆豆腐花 stores, one in Lamma the other in Tai Po? Are they the same one? I'm a big fan of tofu fa so will make the trip to Lamma for it if its the best! =) Thanks

                            3. FourSeasons Apr 14, 2009 11:48 PM

                              Here is my classic 10. Actually, I cannot remember any dish beyond 15 years (I have been a regular traveler to Hong Kong for 35 years), and pre-chowhound era (just 18 months for me), I don't keep much record. So this is just off my memory. Another point, maybe "politically incorrect" for some since there are 3 shark fin dishes. Again, not by ranking, but according to when I try it:

                              HK:
                              10-15 years ago:
                              1. Snow Garden at North Point: 蟹黃翅 (crab roe shark fin soup)-the crab roe is from hairy crab generously fill on top of the soup;
                              2. Victoria City: 清蒸蘇眉 (steamed fish Soh Mei, a high end fish for Cantonese)-very well executed, the best steam fish I ever had;
                              3. Yung Kee: roast goose in the old days;
                              5-10 years
                              4. Sheung Hing: 紅燒潮州翅 (braised chiu chow shark fin);
                              5. Sheung Hing: 生灼螺片 (whelk)-interesting, same choice with skylineR33;
                              6. Lei Garden-Wanchai/IFC: 例湯 (Cantonese soup of the day)-Lei Garden's soup has never disappointed me, always best to start off for a Cantonese meal;
                              7. Victoria City/Fu Sing: 蟹粉小籠飽 (crab roe Xiao Long Bao)-crab roe using hairy crab, only available from Oct to Jan.
                              8. Victoria City/Fu Sing: 雞油花雕蒸蟹 (steam crab with hua tiao sauce);
                              Recent years:
                              9. Da Ping Huo: 紅燒牛肉 (spicy beef from its tasting menu);
                              10. Foo Lam Moon: 紅燒翅2兩 (braised shark fin).

                              Macau:
                              1. Tim's Kitchen: 玻璃大蝦球 crystal king prawn;
                              2. Tim's Kitchen: 椒鹽蟹鉗 salt pepper fried crab claw;
                              3. Tim's Kitchen: 七彩少肚尖 pork stomach with celery;
                              4. Luk Kee: 雲吞蝦子撈麵 wanton shrimp roe bamboo noodle;
                              5. Luk Kee: 鳳爪拼大腸 (chicken feet and intestine);
                              6. Luk Kee: 米通鯪魚球 (fried fish ball);
                              7. Old Neptune: 蘿蔔牛什 Crispy turnip tender beef haslet;
                              8. Old Neptune: 蟹(伊面 crab ee noodle;
                              9. Noble House: 清蒸龙利 steam fish long lei, a type of fish I believe only available at Pearl Delta river;
                              10. Lord Stew: Egg tart-seem to be on everyone's Macau list.

                              * "Victoria City/Fu Sing"- need to clarify this term. I first tried them in Victoria City but since the head chef has moved to open his own restaurant Fu Sing, I have since then tried them at Fu Sing instead.

                              1. skylineR33 Apr 14, 2009 04:15 PM

                                Interesting topic !

                                Here is my favourite (not by ranking) :

                                1. New Chui Wah (新翠華) - Charcoal Clay pot rice
                                2. Tong Kee (堂記) - Cha Siu & BBQ duck Cheung Fun
                                3. Ah Yat (阿一) - Ah Yat Fried Rice
                                4. Sheung Heung (尚興) - boiled plain whelk with chinese Ham (生灼螺片)
                                5. Tin Heung Lau (天香樓) - smoked yellow fish (煙薰黃魚)
                                6. Kam Fung (金鳳茶餐廳) - 'fresh baked' chicken pie
                                7. Ah Lo seafood (阿佬) - steamed natural brownspoted grouper
                                8. Typhoon shelter 'Hing Kee' (避風塘興記) - fresh Chives Flower on soy sauce (韭菜花)
                                9. Tasty Hung Hum (正斗) - Wonton Noodle
                                10. Lei Garden IFC (利苑) - pan-fried shark fin with fresh crab, clear broth on the side (高湯蟹肉炒翅)

                                Cheers !!

                                2 Replies
                                1. re: skylineR33
                                  Charles Yu Apr 14, 2009 07:27 PM

                                  Nice list skylineR33. Have to talk to you about 'Kam Fung's chicken pie' tomorrow! Just love freshly baked ones!

                                  1. re: Charles Yu
                                    skylineR33 Apr 14, 2009 08:15 PM

                                    Right, let's chat tomorrow. The taste of the chicken pie is still lingering vividly in my memory !

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                                  archiek Apr 14, 2009 02:32 PM

                                  Fun post. Cheating a bit here with 2nd options...

                                  HK:

                                  1) Souffle (Nothing fancy like Robuchon's Chartreuse version but it's simple and scary good. If anyone knows a better souffle in HK, I'm there tonight) - Nicholini's
                                  2) Langoustine and sweetbread ravioli (or their lobster bisque) - Caprice
                                  3) Steamed turbot with black truffles and olive oil emulsion (pigeon breast with foie gras is up there too) - Amber
                                  4) Rice noodle roll with sesame sauce (or turnip cake) - Lok Cha Tea House
                                  5) Turnip cake - Golden Leaf
                                  6) Grilled beef filet with white asparagus and pesto (sounds boring but dead-on perfectly cooked piece of meat. Amazing by itself but with the delicate pesto - made me almost poop in my pants) - Angelini
                                  7) Soy sauce fried noodles - Under Bridge Spicy Crab
                                  8) Steamed ground pork with salted fish - Gum Dong Dai Restaurant
                                  9) Bird's nest steamed in Coconut Milk - Fook Lam Moon
                                  10) Teppanyaki sliced sirloin (rolled up with spring onions and toasted garlic) - Matsubishi

                                  Macau:

                                  1)African Chicken - Restaurante Litoral
                                  2)Crab porridge - Seng Cheong
                                  3)Roasted chicken (duking it out with garlic prawns) - Fernando's
                                  4)Chestnut soup (or black truffle tart) - Robuchon a Galera
                                  5)Goat cheese with honey and olive oil on homemade bread (sorry, have to mention their African chicken too but other than its color it has little taste resemblance to other versions) - Antonio's
                                  6)Egg tart - Lord Stow's
                                  7)Milk tart - San Hou Lei
                                  8)Beef and black truffles ravioli - Il Teatro
                                  9)Meat and cheese platter (simple yet one of the most enjoyable things I had in Macau) - A Petisqueira
                                  10)Pork chop bun - Cafe Tai Lei

                                  8 Replies
                                  1. re: archiek
                                    Charles Yu Apr 14, 2009 04:15 PM

                                    Hello archiek! Noticed this is your first posting! Welcome to Chowhound! Are you HK based? Looking at your list may be you would like to join us for our next HK chowmeet?!

                                    1. re: Charles Yu
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                                      archiek Apr 15, 2009 02:39 PM

                                      Thanks, Charles. I'm actually based in LA but head out to HK often. Yeah, I'm down for the chowmeet. When are you guys meeting next? I'll be back in May, hopefully just in time to catch Christian Le Squer at Amber and pasta dinner at Macau's Don Alfonso. Keeping my fingers crossed.

                                    2. re: archiek
                                      klyeoh Apr 14, 2009 06:28 PM

                                      I know what you mean, archiek. It's really difficult to restrict oneself to a mere "10 most-favoured dishes" list where HK/Macau is concerned. But you know one thing: I can never, ever "get" Macanese pork chop. Try as I may, I just couldn't appreciate it - I just thought it was way too spartan, too straightforward, too simple, too dry. Maybe I should bring along my bottle of Maggi chilli sauce, or a jar of good vinegary-crunchy slaw to slather over the meat.

                                      1. re: klyeoh
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                                        archiek Apr 15, 2009 02:55 PM

                                        I had the same reaction when I tried the Kam Chung version. It was a bland, dry piece of cardboard stuck between two slices of stale bun. Fortunately, the one I had Tai Lei was pure greasy goodness. The meat was not plump by any means but it was moist and packed with flavor. With the rich meat juices buttering the bread no condiments were needed. Perfect comfort food with a tall glass of milk ice tea.

                                        1. re: klyeoh
                                          klyeoh Nov 19, 2009 05:27 PM

                                          I tried the Macanese pork chop again last weekend - this time, from Estabelecimento de Comidas Portuguesa Porto Exterior. Nope, unfortunately, I still don't "get it". Serously someone should suggest adding a tangy, creamy slaw on top of the chop - it'll definitely taste a WHOLE lot better!

                                           
                                        2. re: archiek
                                          skylineR33 Apr 14, 2009 08:18 PM

                                          I also like the Teppanyaki sliced sirlon at Matsubishi ! However, it is not like the good old day that the toasted garlic is made from fresh at Matsubishi, they are prepared in advance.

                                          1. re: skylineR33
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                                            archiek Apr 15, 2009 03:11 PM

                                            Wow, I've never had that experience at Matsubishi. I was just there 2 months ago - still freshly toasted. Were yours just sliced in advance and dumped on the grill or were they pre-toasted. I would've cried bloody murder. Pre-made toasted garlic? Even a shitty ass-crack like Benihana serves it fresh. How hard is it to slice garlic and leave it on a grill until toasted.

                                            1. re: archiek
                                              skylineR33 Apr 15, 2009 03:29 PM

                                              I would be happy if it is just pre-sliced in advance, unfortunately, it was pre-toasted ! I was there around 3 months ago, and my family was there around 4 months ago. Both time it was pre-toasted ! The garlic is still good compared to the pre-toasted one I had in North America, which are really dry.

                                        3. Charles Yu Apr 14, 2009 06:53 AM

                                          My list is all over the place:

                                          1. Strange flavour chicken from 'SoJit Fraternity Association', Hong Kong
                                          2. Fried goose intestines with pickled mustard green and black bean sauce from the kitchen of the Chinese University campus, NT!
                                          3. Fried live sea prawns with peppered salt from Fung Lam in Tai Wai.
                                          4. Chiu Hau braised beef brisket and tandons from Mak Man Kee
                                          5. Stirred fry pigs innards with ginger and scallions from 'Cho-Choi-Koon' in Kowloon.
                                          6. Crispy skin garlic dusted Har-Gau from Star of Canton, Lee Theatre Building, Causeway Bay.
                                          7. This dish must give both of you S'pore hound fit! - Boneless free range Hainan Chicken from Taipayoh, in Hung Hum. Ha!
                                          8. Stirred fry 'Lun-Dun' garoupa fillet with yellowing chives from 'Chuen Kee' in Sai Kun seafood market avenue.
                                          9. Yung Kee's roast goose! from the top floor club member level ( special attention paid? I wonder? )
                                          10. Braised chicken feet with abalone in oyster sauce, Farmhouse, Causeway bay.

                                          Fourseasons and klyeoh! Talk about Causeway bay. Looks like the DD's scampi with pasta did not make your list! Ha!

                                          18 Replies
                                          1. re: Charles Yu
                                            klyeoh Apr 14, 2009 07:27 AM

                                            Well, Charles - looks like I'd prefer Mak's wonton noodles over DD's pasta if given only one choice. Thanks for reminding us of Yung Kee's roast goose, although I actually go there for their century eggs & pickled ginger - simply the best in the world!

                                            Another must-not-miss in HK: roast pigeon from Shatin (I go to Shui Wah)

                                            1. re: klyeoh
                                              Charles Yu Apr 14, 2009 04:06 PM

                                              Yup! Agree!
                                              Hay! Fourseasons, we can try Shui Wah's roast pigeon, as suggested by klyeih, next year! Just next door to Fung Lam!

                                              1. re: klyeoh
                                                K K Apr 18, 2009 10:49 PM

                                                I used to go Shatin religiously for roast pigeon in the 80s, they had a farm there, and outdoors seating. I remember we had to park the car then walk on an overpass to get there. Last time I was there must have been 1991. Also famous for some fried tofu dish, either pei pa, or salt and pepper. Is that the place you are talking about? What is the name of this joint in Chinese?

                                                1. re: K K
                                                  Charles Yu Apr 19, 2009 04:01 AM

                                                  The place you mentioned is 'Lung Wah'. Used to be very very good. Used live pigeons and all. However, has gone down hill. Also, tendency to cheat by chopping up the whole bird in big segments and substituting some parts with smaller pieces!

                                              2. re: Charles Yu
                                                FourSeasons Apr 14, 2009 07:28 AM

                                                Hi Charles:

                                                What about your wonton noodle? With your endless search for the best wonton noodle, I thought you would have placed one or two places among your top 10 favorites.

                                                The above list is based on just my latest trip, which I did not try DD's scampi pasta this time. But it is unlikely I would include it as my classic top 10 either.

                                                1. re: FourSeasons
                                                  Charles Yu Apr 14, 2009 04:12 PM

                                                  Sorry! Fourseasons! No won-ton noodle since still searching for my elusive perfect bowl! Awaiting for the day that someone would combine the noodles of Mak's with the won-ton of Mak Man Kee and the broth of Ho Hung Kee!
                                                  No Chui chow food from you? Interesting?!

                                                  1. re: Charles Yu
                                                    FourSeasons Apr 14, 2009 07:44 PM

                                                    Just a 4-5 days trip this time so did not try Chiu Chow. I am still trying to figure out the classic 10, coming soon...

                                                    1. re: FourSeasons
                                                      skylineR33 Apr 14, 2009 08:16 PM

                                                      Hi FourSeasons, I am sure you have a very hard time coming up with only 10 dishes !! Haha.

                                                    2. re: Charles Yu
                                                      jennjen18 Apr 26, 2009 08:20 PM

                                                      I tried Mak Man Kee's when I was in HKG, and really, not the best...!! The noodles were SO HARD. I was quite surprised, and my mom said that it could be their off day... and yet the place was crowded with the lunch peoples. Really disappointed. The broth though was really clear and yummy. Love the chives.

                                                      1. re: jennjen18
                                                        Charles Yu Apr 28, 2009 05:21 AM

                                                        Based on my rounds, I concluded and agree that Mak Man Kee's noodles are not the best amongst the 'big three or four'. Mak's or Tasty is definitely finer and more texture pleasing. However, I do love MMK's won-ton ( perfectly crunchy and nicely seasoned ), Penny hot sauce and most of all the Chui Hau braised beef brisket and tendons. For my next trip, I plan to buy some raw MMK's won-ton, freeze them and bring them back to Toronto! Custom would allow them in since they are all prawns!

                                                  2. re: Charles Yu
                                                    K K Apr 18, 2009 10:49 PM

                                                    Oh yes, So Jit....it's in Central yes? And members only? (is that still the case)

                                                    1. re: K K
                                                      Charles Yu Apr 19, 2009 04:02 AM

                                                      Yup! But food is damn good!

                                                      1. re: Charles Yu
                                                        s0memale Apr 19, 2009 07:12 PM

                                                        Is it in the building Manning House ? If its the same 'members only' place that I was fortunate enough to visit on my last trip to HK (Nov 08), I was actually a bit dissapointed with the meal! The only dish I can really remember, was the sticky rice cooked in a pumpkin (or squash - sorry I don't quite remember), this was definitely very flavourful.

                                                        I had a much better feast at the Snow Garden in Causewaybay the night before!

                                                        1. re: s0memale
                                                          Charles Yu Apr 20, 2009 06:17 AM

                                                          As with most 'members only' clubs, be it 'SoJit', Shanghai Fraternity Association, or HK Jockey Club, one needs to go with a member who is familiar with the forte of the kitchen and knows what specialities o order. Not ALL dishes are good but some can be outstanding. The rose essence top soy chicken of the Jockey club being a fine example. Likewise, when we had our chowmeet at the Shanghai association a month back, a few dishes like the honeyed Hunan ham with pancakes' and the drunken pigeon was very good. However, the sauteed crab with broad beans and fermented bean sauce was disappointing.

                                                          1. re: Charles Yu
                                                            K K Apr 21, 2009 04:09 PM

                                                            What's food at Jockey Club like now? I think last time I was there was also 91. I used to be a member through my parents in the 80s when it was in by the Happy Valley racetrack (before they moved it up the hill), dim sum at the Six Furlong which I thought was mediocre (no cheung fun then) but they had a great cha siu rice with lo shui sauce and half decent salted fish fried rice with chicken..

                                                            I may even have eaten at Shanghai Frat Association in the 80s....that name sounds soooo familiar (Sheung Hoi Leewn Yee Wui?) Where is it?

                                                            What I recall being spectacular, in the 80s was a place called Far East (Yuen Dong), which I was told was also members only. We ate there very often. Then after 1989 when I was last there, I heard the chef relocated and opened up in Vancouver (any follow up to this). And I remember Wah Seung (Chinese club) across from IFC. Oh man I am sounding like an old fart now.

                                                            1. re: K K
                                                              Charles Yu Apr 21, 2009 09:35 PM

                                                              Both Sha-Tin and Hong Kong's Jockey kitchen continue to churn out excellent food. Wok-hey stirred fry dishes are very good.

                                                              Yes! Your interpretation of Shanghai Fraternity Association is correct.. Same location as in the 80's

                                                      2. re: K K
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                                                        mikey8811 Apr 20, 2009 08:41 AM

                                                        Is So Jit the same as the Ningpo Fraternity Club?

                                                        1. re: mikey8811
                                                          Charles Yu Apr 20, 2009 04:54 PM

                                                          No! They are different establishments.

                                                    2. klyeoh Apr 13, 2009 10:49 PM

                                                      Difficult to make a choice, but off the top of my head - my HK/Macau fave eats:

                                                      Hong Kong
                                                      1. Wonton noodles & dumplings (Mak An Kee)
                                                      2. Bo lo pao (Mido Cafe)
                                                      3. Egg tarts (Tai Cheong Bakery)
                                                      4. Hoi sin lok yau pei/braised seafood with pomelo skin (Pak Loh Chiu Chow)
                                                      5. Peking duck (Peking Garden)

                                                      Macau
                                                      1. Pasteis de bacalhau (A Lorcha)
                                                      2. Feijoada (A Lorcha)
                                                      3. Galinha Cafreal/African chicken (Fernando's)
                                                      4. Portuguese-style egg tarts (Lord Stow)
                                                      5. Minchi (Litoral)

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                                                      1. re: klyeoh
                                                        klyeoh Nov 19, 2009 12:20 AM

                                                        Just a quick update: I'd change my #2 choice in HK from Mido Cafe to Fu Sing for Bo lo pao, the sort with char-siu filling - absolutely divine!

                                                        And #4 choice - Pomelo skin with shrimp roe at Fu Sing knocks Pak Loh Chiu Chow's seafood version for dead!

                                                        1. re: klyeoh
                                                          Charles Yu Nov 19, 2009 03:24 AM

                                                          Thats why Fu Sing claims their version of the ' Char-Siu Bo Lo Pao' the 'Number one bun under the sky'!!! Love the ultra juicy filling! A relative of mine from LA once gobbled down 10 just on her own!!
                                                          Not for pomelo skin but Chiu Chow food. You should give some of the outfits in Kowloon City a try!

                                                          1. re: Charles Yu
                                                            M_Gomez Nov 19, 2009 06:10 AM

                                                            Cha-siu bo lo pao at Fu Sing was smallish in size, light in texture, its barbecued pork filling was not sugary-sweet but very subtle, and which I noticed included shredded onion. Beautiful, simply perfect!

                                                             
                                                            1. re: M_Gomez
                                                              Charles Yu Nov 19, 2009 03:24 PM

                                                              Thanks for the photo! Now, you are making be salivate!!

                                                              1. re: M_Gomez
                                                                klyeoh Nov 19, 2009 05:18 PM

                                                                That's what they say: "A picture is worth a thousand words" ;-)

                                                                Yes, I, too, also noticed that Fu Sing's bo lo pao with char-siu filling was not cloyingly sweet (like those we get in Sydney, London, San Francisco or even Singapore dim sum places). I guess, in place of sugar, they added onions - which I also noticed was a distinct feature in their char-siu filling - as a natural sweetener. I love onions, so that's a definite plus.

                                                                1. re: M_Gomez
                                                                  Charles Yu Nov 19, 2009 05:54 PM

                                                                  Hello M_Gomez.
                                                                  Allow me to post a short 'observation remark'
                                                                  I noticed you have eaten your way thru greater Asia as well as Hong Kong/China...etc. However, in your profile, all of your Top 5 favourite restaurants are in Australia!! Are Australian restaurants really THAT good?! Considering a lot of Hong Kong restaurants you wrote about have Michelin stars?!!!

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                                                                    mikey8811 Nov 19, 2009 11:48 PM

                                                                    Really like Fu Sing's bo lo pao - better than that other signature dim sum walnut chicken pie which is also good.

                                                                    Charles, as a former Sydneysider, have eaten at 2 of M_Gomez's Top 5, Tetsuya's and Pier. I'd say they beat most other Western restos in Asia other than the big names like L'Atelier. Tets basically created the confit of ocean trout that is much copied all over the world now (see pic). Pier is very much a fish specialist - they know their seafood and the waiter tells you to eat the fish on your plate from the thinner outside bit inwards because the latter is still 'cooking' on the plate. Both are quite unique and occupy their own niches.

                                                                     
                                                                    1. re: mikey8811
                                                                      HKTraveler Nov 20, 2009 01:06 AM

                                                                      I can also vouch for that ocean trout dish at Tetsuya. Blew me away when I had it! Definitely memorable. Ranks as my fav in Sydney along with the steam abalone at Golden Century!

                                                                      1. re: mikey8811
                                                                        M_Gomez Nov 20, 2009 05:40 AM

                                                                        Don't miss Fu Sing's fried cheung fun.

                                                                      2. re: Charles Yu
                                                                        M_Gomez Nov 20, 2009 05:39 AM

                                                                        Charles, I think mikey8811 and HKTraveler's responses say it all. I have a weakness for good Macanese-Portuguese food but I'll eat good food anywhere and everywhere. I've had good food in HK, Malaysia, Singapore and elsewhere. But none of them gave me the satisfaction and memorability as the restaurants in Australia. Down Under, dining out is a special event, people dress up for it, they put on their best behaviour, the restaurants staff make you feel so special, and the cooking is so very good. That's why my favourite restaurants are all Australian, I didn't mean for it to be that way. I didn't even realize that I had chosen all Australian restaurants until you point that out to me, in fact!
                                                                        That said, I love Fu Sing, Lung King Heen, T'ang Court, Man Ho, Man Wah and many other superb restaurants in HK.

                                                                        1. re: M_Gomez
                                                                          FourSeasons Nov 20, 2009 07:09 AM

                                                                          I am probably the only one here that is not so high on Tetsuya. i know many think it is one of the best restaurants in the world judging from the San Pelligrino list. But if one is familiar with the food scene in Tokyo, it is simply not on par with the best offer there.

                                                                          1. re: FourSeasons
                                                                            M_Gomez Nov 21, 2009 05:47 AM

                                                                            Tetsuya Wakuda's food is best described as Mod-Oz with Japanese influences. When was the last time you tried his cuisine. He's a very talented but extremely humble man - soft-spoken, polite and totally personable. He's also very well-respected in his native Japan as well.

                                                                            In fact, this year, Tetsuya was invited to Tokyo Taste, a world gastronomy summit held in Tokyo in Feb. The event was sponsored by the Tokyo Metropolitan Govt, 5 Japanese Govt ministries, plus All Japan Chefs Association, All Japan Culinary Schools Assoc, Japan Assoc for Training Colleges for Chefs, etc. He was the only chef from Australia invited.

                                                                            BTW, Spain was represented by El Bulli's Ferran Adria, Arzak's Juan Mari Arzak, Mugaritz's Andoni Luis Aduriz and, incredibly - Herve This, the scientist who started molecular gastronomy himself! France was represented by Joel Robuchon, Pierre Gagnaire, Jacques Puisais and Tokyo-based Bruno Menard (L'Osier). UK was represented by (no surprises) Heston Blumenthal of Fat Duck. China was represented by Dong Zhen Xiang of Beijing's Da Dong Kaoyadian. Host Japan was represented by Ryugin's Seiji Yamamoto, Yoshihiro Narisawa (of Les Creations de Narisawa) and Kunio Tokuoka of Kyoto Kitcho.

                                                                            1. re: M_Gomez
                                                                              FourSeasons Nov 21, 2009 10:31 PM

                                                                              Hi Gomez:
                                                                              I tried Tetsuya about 5-6 years ago. I recalled it was 4 appetizers, 4 main dishes, 3 dessert tasting course. I loved the appetizers and the desserts but felt letdown by the main courses.Yes, I agree he is a humble soft spoken individual. And the food is pretty good, that I agree. But many have ranked it as one of the top 10 or 20 in the world so that is a statement that I am not able to agree. Especially if one is familiar with the top dining scene in Tokyo that I don't think what Tetsuya offer is on par with that standard.

                                                                              Tetsuya and Nobu are two Japanese individuals who have attained huge success with the western crowd by infusing Japanese way of handling natural and seasonal stuffs with western ingredients. Such style is rare in the West (at least 1-2 decades ago) and the formula brought instant recognition to their culinary skills.

                                                                              I don't know if Tetsuya is well respected in Japan. Nobu brought his branch to Tokyo and the review is rather lukewarm: http://r.tabelog.com/tokyo/A1307/A130... . The truth is when it comes to handling natural and seasonal ingredients, they are simply no match to the top chefs in Japan. Take for example Ryugin's Yamamoto that is on your list, his attention to innovationa and details are simply incredible, that I left his restaurant amazed and being stunned by every dish that was presented.

                                                                              Anyway, this is just my 2 cents opinion. To each his/her own.

                                                                              1. re: FourSeasons
                                                                                klyeoh Nov 23, 2009 04:54 AM

                                                                                Hey, we're supposed to be talking about our favorite dishes in Hong Kong & Macau - how did you people veer into Japanese & Modern-Aussie cuisine? Anyway, on that note: can someone tell me if Inagiku (at Four Seasons) is indeed the "best Japanese restaurant in HK" at the moment? If not, which would that be?

                                                                                1. re: klyeoh
                                                                                  Charles Yu Nov 23, 2009 05:51 AM

                                                                                  Hello klyeoh! Check out Sherman's posting of her 'Autumn Kaiseki' meal at Inagiku on facebook. Food looked very good and impressive!

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                                                                          j3yang Jan 3, 2010 11:56 AM

                                                                          I have to say, that Hong Kong really isn't the culinary hot spot that many locals think it is, the combination of exorbitant rents, and the fact that most Hong Kongers don't have the cultural openmindedness to tell good from from overpriced food leads to an unimaginative marketplace full of overpriced crap. Shenzhen is a more vibrant food city than Hong Kong.

                                                                          1. re: j3yang
                                                                            Charles Yu Jan 3, 2010 03:11 PM

                                                                            Apart from some traditional Cantonese dishes and may be slightly more diversify street/snack food, in which area does Shenzhen offers that excels that of Hong Kong's?! Surely, not high end dining and western cuisine?! Where in Shenzhen can you find better Italian than HK's Da Domenico or French that is better than Caprice? Even the best of Shenzhen's Won ton noodles is a clone of Hong Kong's and fall way short of those of HK's Tasty or Mak's!.
                                                                            By making your un-substantiated remark, are you telling us fellow chowhounders that Shenzhen deserves more 'Michelin star' establishments than Hong Kong?!!

                                                                            1. re: j3yang
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                                                                              chowhound_jackass Jan 3, 2010 04:31 PM

                                                                              This is sure to piss a lot of people off, which is a good indication that there has probably never been a truer comment on these forums. Congratulations.

                                                                              1. re: j3yang
                                                                                skylineR33 Jan 3, 2010 06:24 PM

                                                                                Wow, thanks for your 'deep' insight to indicate HK's food scene is full of overpriced crap and Hong Kongers lack of cultural openmindedness without any example, but guess what, last time when I was at "Ah Yat" and Tin Heung Lau, many 'big spender' in my surrounding tables speak mandarin.

                                                                                1. re: j3yang
                                                                                  klyeoh Jan 8, 2010 02:54 PM

                                                                                  Shenzhen better than HK? No way!

                                                                                  I liked HK for its myriad offerings: from hole-in-the-wall eateries and quaint little cafes to posh, high-end eateries. When it comes to French, Italian, Middle-Eastern, American & other Western-style restaurants, HK far surpasses those we have here in Singapore.

                                                                                  Shenzhen - not too sure about that. Its Cantonese food is very good, but the culinary scene as a whole felt rather provincial. Maybe you should just try and compare Shenzhen with Guangzhou - similar foods, culture.

                                                                                  P.S. - Shenzhen's the only place where I found a mould of jelly on top of my Caesar salad!

                                                                      3. FourSeasons Apr 13, 2009 10:39 PM

                                                                        I will start with my own list. I will have to think very hard for my top 10 classic dishes, but based on the latest recent 5 days trip on early March, the following will be the top 10 for just that trip (below not by ranking):

                                                                        1. Foo Lam Moon: 紅燒翅2兩 (braised shark fin),
                                                                        2. Foo Lam Moon: 杏仁茶 (almond tea-dessert),
                                                                        3. Yung Kee 4th floor : 椒鹽海參扣 (salt peppered sea cucumber),
                                                                        4. Yung Kee 4th floor : 清湯牛爽腩 (soong lam, a part of beef, in broth),
                                                                        5. Joy Hing : char siu (half fatty/half lean),
                                                                        6. 豆腐花 beancurd milk, a dessert item, an obscure stall next to 群記(don't even remember the name),
                                                                        7. Caprice: Scottish salmon,
                                                                        8. Caprice: Smoked vendeen pigeon,
                                                                        9. Caprice: wine and cheese pairing,
                                                                        10. Glenn's Kitchen: steam fish 方利.

                                                                        Surprisingly, 3 legendary famous dishes (Yung Kee's roast goose, Fung Lam's pigeon and 群記's 爽腩) did not make the list.

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                                                                        1. re: FourSeasons
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                                                                          ey2006 Apr 28, 2009 06:06 AM

                                                                          Hi FourSeasons, for these two dises on your top 10:

                                                                          3. Yung Kee 4th floor : 椒鹽海參扣 (salt peppered sea cucumber),
                                                                          4. Yung Kee 4th floor : 清湯牛爽腩 (soong lam, a part of beef, in broth),

                                                                          Do they both need to be ordered on the 4th floor of Yung Kee? Can anyone eat on level 4? I always get put on the ground floor or one time it was full I got put on the 1st floor. Do you just need to ask to go to level 4 or book in advance? I'm keen on trying the 清湯牛爽腩, is it just 牛爽腩 in soup, without any noodles?

                                                                          Thanks, Ed

                                                                          1. re: ey2006
                                                                            FourSeasons Apr 28, 2009 08:19 AM

                                                                            My friend arranged the dinner meal for us. I believed they are only available on the 4th floor, and require advanced reservation as well. The two dishes are not for solo diners though, just beware of that. Yes, no noodle on this dish.

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                                                                              hong_kong_foodie Apr 29, 2009 04:38 PM

                                                                              Actually, I think both dishes are available on the regular floors -- they're just not nearly as good as what you'd get on the 4th floor! As "a lady who lunches" once pointed out, it's the difference between getting the line cook and the head chef to cook for you -- the same dish can be wildly different.

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                                                                                hong_kong_foodie May 29, 2009 02:08 PM

                                                                                Just got some 椒鹽海參扣 (salt peppered sea cucumber) as take out a couple of weeks ago. Literally walked into the restaurant and ordered from the counter to the left --- and it was REALLY bad. I just don't understand why this restaurant is so inconsistent. Sometimes the food is great, sometimes it's so bad I can't even finish it.

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