Night out in Downtown SF?

[hamachihil]

We've scored a free night at the Hotel Vitale in early May. Planning an SF mini-weekend
(live in Oakland) and wondering where folks would recommend for dinner. In the E.Bay
we're big fans of Flora, Pizziaola, Cesars, Sea Salt, Luka's. Would like a place with great
food and atmosphere- not crazy expensive, and preferably walking distance (Mission and
Embarcadero). Thinking about Canteen, Perbacco, Ame. Any thoughts, hounds?

[Paul H]

Canteen is too far. Perbacco is good food, a fun place, and good value. Ame is expensive & a pretty good walk, too.

Check out these additional options:

* Bocadillos - best tapas in the city
* Piperade - Basque/French same owner as Bocadillos
* Kokkari Estiatorio - Great Greek food; the joint is jumping; not cheap but reasonable for what you get; close

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Kokkari Estiatorio
200 Jackson St., San Francisco, CA 94111

Piperade
1015 Battery St., San Francisco, CA 94111

Bocadillos
710 Montgomery St, San Francisco, CA 94111

[Ruth Lafler]

Whether Canteen is too far is debatable -- it's about a 20-30 minute walk, depending on how fast you walk. On a nice spring evening, walking up Post from Market is a pleasant walk. Or you can hop on Muni metro and/or take a cab back.

Piperade is a good idea, though -- a little different from anything in the East Bay.

[Robert Lauriston]

Piperade has the same chef-owner Bocadillos, which is closer in lively atmosphere to the East Bay places mentioned.

[Ruth Lafler]

Yeah, but Bocadillos is a little more casual -- not someplace I'd choose for a nice evening out.

[Robert Lauriston]

I'm going by the list of East Bay places in the original post: Flora, Pizziaola, Cesar, Sea Salt, Luka's. Piperade's considerably more sedate than any of those. Nice place for a relaxing meal, unless you encounter one of their occasional service lapses.

[Ruth Lafler]

Hmmm. I would never use the word "sedate" to describe Piperade. More sedate than Luka's or Cesar I'll grant you. But *considerably* more sedate than Flora or Sea Salt? Really?

[Robert Lauriston]

Flora's bar scene makes it livelier. Maybe comparable to Sea Salt.

[Robert Lauriston]

Has Kokkari lowered its prices? The online menu shows entrees $15-21. That's mid-range verging on low these days--significantly cheaper than Delfina or Bar Tartine.

Or maybe Kokkari has held prices steady while other restaurants that used to be in the same price range have raised theirs.

[cortez]

I love going to Hotel Vitale and eating at places very, very close to the hotel. You might consider these: (none are more than 300 yards from the hotel):

* Waterbar for oysters, cocktails and the view
* Boulevard for lunch: cheaper, great view and consistently fun
* Vitale for drinks -- bartenders know what they're doing
* Slanted Door at the Ferry Building: always delicious, noisy and fun.
* Taylor's Refresher: if you need the burgers and shakes
* Boulette's Larder: delicious there or to go

Others to consider (but I haven't been to yet):

* Chaya: SF version of the Venice, Ca. popular place
* Shanghai 1930: well regarded bar, club, restaurant for Asian
* La Mar Cebicheria: next to Ferry Building, Peruvian cebiche
* Yank Sing: Rincon Center dim sum
* One Market: Bradley Ogden staple

Great neighborhood. Have fun.

[Robert Lauriston]

Boulevard at lunch is more expensive than most places at dinner!

[Truffle Dog]

RL - are you quite sure you weren't looking at the lunch menu? They have lowered their prices considerably if those are the most expensive entrees are $21. Whole Fish & steak were in the 30s last I was there. For the OP, the food at Kokkari is great and the vibe is probably in line with what you are looking for.

Chaya is good for bar bites (good sushi, good fries, etc) and drinks. If you go at happy hour and stick the specials its reasonable. If not you can easily end spending way more than you planned.

In addition to the other suggestions on this thread I'd recommend Scott Howard (by the Chef formerly of Myth)

[Paul H]

Scott Howard has closed. The space has been taken over by Sean O'Brien's Zinnia. O'Brien was the chef at Myth, not Scott Howard.

[Robert Lauriston]

Yeah, I must have accidentally gotten the Kokkari's lunch menu. Non-veg dinner menu entrees are $23.50 to $39.

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Zinnia
500 Jackson Street, San Francisco, CA 94133

[Chuckles the Clone]

Add two glasses of wine, a starter, dessert and coffee and you're easily in the $90/pp range after tax and tip.

[Robert Lauriston]

Yeah, my bad, confusing Web layout, I was looking at the lunch prices.

[Robert Lauriston]

Those places are all on my East Bay short list.

Walking distance from there, Bocadillos, Bar Crudo, TWO. Canteen's fun but a fair schlep.

Perbacco's the best Italian downtown but nowhere near as laid-back as the East Bay places you mention. Ame's expensive.