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mels88 Mar 30, 2009 08:36 PM

I was wondering if anyone's tried Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout or Salvator Doppelbock? Any good?

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    Shortsord RE: mels88 Mar 30, 2009 09:42 PM

    Samuel Smith makes some great ales in my opinion and I'm a big fan of many of them, including their Oatmeal Stout. If I recall correctly there is also an organic oatmeal stout they make if you're so inclined, I've yet to try it. But yes, Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout is very good, my second favourite oatmeal stout by far.

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      PRadB3ni RE: Shortsord Apr 5, 2009 06:50 PM

      I have only had the Sam Smith's but I agree it is great, I am lucky enough to live close to a Sam Smith's pub.

    2. Josh RE: mels88 Mar 30, 2009 10:09 PM

      Both are top-notch beers. Another good one if you like the Salvator is Ayinger's Celebrator, also a doppelbock.

      1. The Professor RE: mels88 Mar 31, 2009 10:20 PM

        Why not just try 'em?!?!?

        I think they're both top class beers. Others disagree.

        Taste is such an individual thing, you just need to try them and judge for yourself.

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          Josh RE: The Professor Mar 31, 2009 11:50 PM

          I find it hard to imagine anyone would disagree that these are two classic brews. They're cited as textbook examples of their respective styles in the BJCP style guide.

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            The Professor RE: Josh Apr 1, 2009 07:06 AM

            Agreed that these beers are classic examples. They are two of the best of their type, without a doubt. I am generally an "Ale" man, but as lagers go, Salvator Dopplebock is one of my all time favorite beers along with Spaten's Optimator.

            As long as you've brought it into the discussion, I'll have to argue that the BJCP style guide, though, is another story altogether...seriously flawed and more and more these days not taken very seriously by many beer afficianados. Looking at what the guidelines have evolved into, they may be useful (though still seriously flawed) for amateur brewing competitions, but they are a confusing and utterly useless tool for consumers. The idea of every variant of every "style" becoming a new style of its own has turned the guidelines into something of a joke.
            But that's a discussion for another thread.

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              Josh RE: The Professor Apr 1, 2009 12:24 PM

              Those guidelines are used for judging competitions of all kinds, not just amateur. World Beer Cup and GABF use them, for example. Also, they're not meant for consumers, they're meant for beer judges who understand what they are and what their purpose is. Not every style variant becomes a new style, that's a really big exaggeration. I'd be curious to know which of the styles outlined in their guidelines you'd really take issue with.

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                Kenji RE: The Professor Apr 2, 2009 08:11 AM

                Salvator, however, isn't what it once was. It was once a much darker, roastier-tasting brew. While it's still got an appropriate strength for a doppel, Salvator tastes almost like a Marzen.

                I'm not saying it's bad, just that at some point (around '00), the brewers radically changed it.

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                  The Professor RE: Kenji Apr 2, 2009 10:53 AM

                  Hmmm...I've wondered about that. While I don't remember it tasting "roastier" , or darker for that matter, I do remember it being a bit "chewier" (for lack of a better descriptive)...a bit more rich malt character and perhaps a bit more ABV as well.
                  As you say though, although it does seem somehow different than in the past, it is still a good beer.

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                    Kenji RE: The Professor Apr 2, 2009 10:59 AM

                    I agree about the dimunition in the beer's richness -- but believe me, it was once much darker & roastier as well. I was alerted to the change in '00 or '99 by fellow beer-lovers who proposed dropping the "ator" suffix from the beer's name to indicate its decrease in doppelbock status. The news of the beer's change horrified me. Salvator had been an absolute classic doppel, one awarded four stars by Jackson in his pocket guides. Why mess with that - especially in a dumbing down way?

                    I regard today's Salv as a "doppelmarzen." It tastes good and is powerful -- and I wouldn't turn one down if it were offered. But it is not the mighty doppelbock it once was.

                    1. re: Kenji
                      The Professor RE: Kenji Apr 2, 2009 04:20 PM

                      "Why mess with that - especially in a dumbing down way?"

                      It usually boils down to costs. Or maybe the breweries think that tastes are evolving (in this case de-volving). Either way, I agree that it is a real shame.
                      That's like traditional Oktoberfest beer...in Germany, the old Maerzen style of Oktoberfest beer has disappeared at the fest, presumably because the brewers think that the public favors lighter colored beers...who knows...
                      so much for progress...

            2. re: The Professor
              mels88 RE: The Professor Apr 3, 2009 08:09 PM

              I will try them...when I have the money! =D

            3. Passadumkeg RE: mels88 Mar 31, 2009 11:59 PM

              You can't go wrong w/ england's oldest brewery. I even have a tie w/ their logo.

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                Kenji RE: mels88 Apr 2, 2009 08:14 AM

                SS oatmeal stout was my introduction to that lovely stout substyle.

                Other fine examples of the style, most of these a bit richer, include those by Anderson Valley, McAuslin, and Mercury Brewing in MA.

                1. Fritter RE: mels88 Apr 2, 2009 12:58 PM

                  SS's Oatmeal stout is a favorite. If you have a Trader Joes near you they carry it in four packs at the best price I have been able to find.
                  Any one have any suggestions for a cream porter?

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                  1. re: Fritter
                    mels88 RE: Fritter Apr 3, 2009 08:11 PM

                    I work at Trader Joe's, and we don't carry it there. =/

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                      Jim Dorsch RE: mels88 Apr 4, 2009 02:56 AM

                      I expect availability varies by location

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                        Fritter RE: mels88 Apr 4, 2009 06:05 AM

                        Bummer. The beer selection at TJ here is pretty good and the SS's Oatmeal stout is a great price.
                        It almost looks as if people mix and match beers at TJ. If so that's a nice option as well.

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                          Kenji RE: mels88 Apr 4, 2009 12:04 PM

                          All the MA. Trader Joe's I shop at -- the ones that can sell beer & wine, anyway -- carry it.

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