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Which Copper Pots are REALLY Worth the Additional Cost?

Yesterday I had my very first experience using copper cookware. I made a Bolognese sauce in a 5-qt. copper pan, and I'm happy to say that after a brief period of experimenting with the heat, I was able to get the sauce simmering evenly and beautifully throughout. I can absolutely recognize the advantage of copper for this purpose. I can also see how copper would be wonderful for sauteing. So now I'm wondering, if I'm going to get the most "bang for the buck," what other pieces of copper cookware should I get? And (aesthetics aside) which pieces just don't offer any advantage over, say, All-Clad?

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  1. You could watch the sale table at Williams-Sonoma and see if they put any of their Mauviel or Ruffoni on it.

    As unlikely as it seems, they did that last year and I got a stockpot, a saute pan, a Windsor pan and a saucier at half price. The staff said they were lacking boxes or tarnished but those are things I was willing to live with at those incredible prices. They all polished up beautifully and now have a warm patina. They also cook wonderfully!

    I also got a copper mixing bowl at Sur la Table from their sale table. It had a few minor scratches. Now that it's been well used, it has even more scratches. ;>

    Just this week I got an unlined French confiture pan for $30 at Home Goods. The copper is thin. If it doesn't work for boiling down fruit, it will make a lovely ice bucket for chilling glasses or something.

    Seriously! I'm 60 and I've wanted copper since I first cooked with it when I lived in France just out of college. I could never afford it and then one day it was there. Once I started looking around, I was finding it on a continuing basis.

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    1. re: rainey

      I'm not really asking so much WHERE should buy copper cookware, or what brand I should buy. What I'm asking is, given the advantages that good quality copper offers, which specific pots or pans best take advantage of those properties.

      1. re: CindyJ

        The pieces that I use most often are:
        high-sided skillets
        saucier, really, really reccomend this!!
        stock pots

        Things like a pasta pot-not really. Looks nice, but not necessary
        Baking vessals such as a gratin pan-no

        1. re: monavano

          The piece I just bought is an 11" (5.5 quart) saucier, which I can also use as a saute pan. It's quite heavy, and I can't imagine how I'd manage a copper stock pot. I'm also not clear about why a copper stock pot would be advantageous.

          1. re: CindyJ

            I meant sauce pots with a handle, not stock pots. And lids.

            1. re: CindyJ

              ohh cindyj, you went for the 11", cooool. I like my 9.5, but wonder if that extra 1.5 inch would be useful for a little more sear/saute space. The grass is always greener, or coppery, I guess.

              Making risotto in the 9.5 flared saucier tonight. Seared chicken breasts the other night. Great for cooking for two.

              I continue to fantasize about the 1.5 saucier from falk, bu I was caught gazing at a copper skillet by the fiance the other day and scolded harshly.

              1. re: polarflint

                Yes. I got the Bourgeat. And I think I got it for a pretty good price. It was only $204 (without the lid -- but that's another story).

                1. re: CindyJ

                  I noticed that the lid i got has an imperfection on the handle - the bolt looks like it was mis-hammered (or however they do it). Still, its a lid that works. And I am slightly jealous that you got an 11 inch for 20 bucks more.

                  But I have my entire life to freak out about copper.

                  1. re: polarflint

                    I'm going to buy the lid separately. I may buy the same lid in SS rather than copper to save $$$$.

              2. re: CindyJ

                What brand did you get? Oops, I see that you answered the question. Sorry but I'm not that good on blogs....still learning.

            2. re: CindyJ

              Saucier
              High-sided skillet
              Copper bowl (that doesn't go over the stove!)

              They cook like Ferrari's - very fast, a lot of control, and look great (also like Ferrari's, they're expensive and a pain to keep up)

              Buy very heavy pans and not the light presentation pieces.

              The all clad is for stock, soups, and things that need little attention or control.

              1. re: alwayscooking

                How do you use your copper bowl? Other than for beating egg whites, does a copper bowl offer an advantage?

                1. re: CindyJ

                  I use it whenever I am working with egg whites - for meringues or egg foams. Everything gets done by hand since I have no room for appliances and the copper seems to bring the white together faster and tighter. Stainless for everything else since it's only protein that's affected by copper. Most of my copper is used and comes from ebay.

              2. re: CindyJ

                FYI, Mauviel is marketed to individuals whereas Bourgeat is marketed to restaurants: I have some of both and they are the same gauge and quality but Bourgeat is usually a good deal cheaper. Try Previn, Inc. in Philadelphia (previninc.com).

                And copper sauté pans compare to nothing. On the other hand, get cast iron or black steel for frying pans. An 8 qt stock pot in copper is great for everything from stock to chili to marmalade to bœuf bourguignon.

                1. re: chokeartichoke

                  Can you deep fry with the 8 quart stock pot?

                2. re: CindyJ

                  "What I'm asking is, given the advantages that good quality copper offers, which specific pots or pans best take advantage of those properties."

                  Ah! The unlined copper bowl for whipping egg whites and the unlined pots for sugar/jam work. However, I love them all.

                  1. re: CindyJ

                    My favorites are small sauce pans and my saute pan. Especially the sauce pans for things that tend to burn quickly. You can remove them from the heat and they cool down really quickly before all is lost. There, the responsiveness of copper is useful. However, for most sauces and sautes, a good SS pan will do just fine. I think a stew pot or Dutch oven might also be a good choice. I cannot imagine why anyone would bother spending $$$$ on a copper stockpot, since the large amount of water used in making stock tends to regulate the temperature in lieu of the pan materials.

                    My advice is to look for stainless steel interiors and cast iron handles. Brass handles, often found at the WS stores in the form of Mauviel, get hot much more quickly (although, they all get hot) and you will get burned when cooking unless you remember to use a pot holder to lift lids. I have some Mauviel, which is beautiful, including some tin linings, but now that I am more experienced with copper, I can say that I prefer Falk because of the construction and the ss interior. It does not require any long term maintenance versus tin. You can find Mauviel with ss interiors and iron handles too, but you have to look carefully, I have heard that nickel linings are also sturdy and work well.

                    1. re: RGC1982

                      > I cannot imagine why anyone would bother spending on a copper stockpot. ~
                      Remove them from the heat and they cool down really quickly... the responsiveness of copper is useful <

                      Ever try to cool 2 gallons of stock quickly without setting off the temperature alarm in the refrigerator?

                      Move a copper stock pot from the cooktop to an ice and water bath, stir the stock and it will be cool in a matter of minutes.

                      1. re: Demented

                        *CHUCKLE* That assumes one can lift and carry a full copper stock pot to wherever the ice/water bath is. I'd need a kitchen crane. :)

                        1. re: CindyJ

                          LOL. The stockpot is 6lb with 2 gallons of stock/water it's 22 - 25.

                          1. re: Demented

                            Only 6 pounds empty? Must be a small stockpot.

                            1. re: CindyJ

                              Falk Copper Stock Pot - 8.5 qt.
                              Diameter: 9.5", Height: 7.25", Weight: ≈ 8.5lbs.

                              I don't know about Bourgeat or Mauviel.

                              1. re: krbtv

                                You're absolutely right.

                                It doesn't seem that heavy any more.

                        2. re: Demented

                          I guess I hadn't envisioned the need to cool a stock pot down that quickly. I use an ice water bath, and I am sure that aluminum or stainless steel stockpots work just fine, because they work fine for me. However, if you are in that much of a hurry -- I would imagine that you are right, and that is a good point. For me, we aren't really talking about the need for split second responsiveness, so it isn't necessary.

                          I am going to try a mini-test with my copper sauce pans to see if there really enough of a difference to be worth the extra money. at least for me.

                          1. re: RGC1982

                            RGC,

                            Cooling the stock as quick as possible has been something I've always thought about, getting it as quickly as possible below the temp at which pathogens multiply, but was never an issue with cookware, it took as long as it took.

                            I only noticed over the coarse of the last few batches of stock, how much faster the stock cools in a copper vessel than an aluminum/stainless clad pot.

                            My reasoning for buying copper cookware was not so pure... It took years to build my collection of “Clad” cookware, I always wanted copper cookware, I love the look of it.

                            When retiring last year I opted to take a major payout, over rolling the funds over into an IRA or other tax sheltered fund. Used the money for things the wife and I wanted/needed for our home. Hand built custom furniture, new appliances and replaced all of the stainless with copper cookware, that was the only thing I wanted.

                            After months of adjusting to cooking with copper, the learning curve, I started to notice, it took less time for pans to heat, less time for food to cook, and finally less time to cool a pot of stock. It was while paying the gas bill last month I saw how much our gas usage had dropped.

                            1. re: RGC1982

                              If you need to cool stock down quickly the proper way to do that is with a frozen tube you insert into the stock pot as well as setting the pot in an iced bain marie. They are just plastic, fill with water, cap and freeze. When you cool stock then you set one into the pot. I'm not sure I should publush what we call them in the big kitchen here. However IIR you can pick up small ones at GFS and they are easy to store if you have a dedicated freezer. Cream soups and sauces especially those with seafood need to be cooled ASAP.
                              My copper does heat faster as well. A difference on my gas bill? Unfortunatly not. Gas companies here have a minimum charge.

                              1. re: Fritter

                                Stopping the sink and filling it with ice and water is for all intent and purpose a bain marie/water bath. For that matter a double boiler could be called a bain marie.

                                The bain marie is handed down to use from alchemy and is used in chemistry to this day. The name itself translates to something like Mary's bath, so named for the female alchemists who invented it.

                                1. re: Demented

                                  Supposed to be named for Moses' sister, Miriam, the godmother of alchemists, at least Jewish ones.

                                2. re: Fritter

                                  One brand of ice paddle for cooling liquids is Rapi-Cool, but they tend to be a bit large for home kitchens. In a commercial kitchen, it may not even be possible to put a large kettle into an ice bath, so these are a necessity.

                                  What I use at home is a plastic bottle filled with frozen saltwater, in addition to setting the pot in a sink of ice cold water.

                                  If I put a pot with 12 quarts of stock in the fridge it may take hours to cool, which is obviously not desirable. With the frozen saltwater bottle and a sink of ice water, I can get it below room temperature in about 20 minutes.

                                  1. re: David A. Goldfarb

                                    Exactly. It's pretty difficult to stick a steam kettle in a sink. (smirk)
                                    At work I usually wind up draining into 5 gallon buckets. However a 5 gallon bucket of cream stock will stay hot in the middle for several hours.
                                    I can't recall where I picked them up but at home I use flat blue heavy plastic containers that were designed to fill and freeze for an ice chest. Works like a charm.
                                    Here's a link to the larger ones if any one is interested;

                                    http://www.bigtray.com/productlist.as...

                                3. re: RGC1982

                                  What inspiration! I'm going to save a couple of 1-qt. milk containers and next time I make stock I'll fill them with water, freeze them and use them for cooling the stock.

                                  1. re: CindyJ

                                    It's slightly different, but I've heard of people butting stock in ice-cube trays too.

                                    And as an aside, if you put the 12 quarts of stock into 12 or 24 containers, they'd cool in the ice bath far, far quicker

                                    1. re: Soop

                                      That sounds like a lot of extra work. I'd rather cool, strain, de-fat and then containerize.

                                      1. re: Soop

                                        There are some products we pour into 2" hotel pans and then place on speed racks to cool when space is tight. It's a royal PITA and it creates extra work for the stewards. Putting 12 quarts of stock into 24 containers that can fit into an ice bath gets impractical very quick even in a large kitchen and really there's just no need with the rapid cool inserts.

                                        1. re: Fritter

                                          It's also only practical to put stock into smaller containers for storage after the last stage of reduction. If I make stock, I usually remove the large bones and pieces of vegetable with a skimmer, strain, cool, remove the chilled fat and usually render it for later use, add egg whites and shells, heat up again to clarify, strain through cheesecloth, reduce to desired consistency, cool again, and then scoop the gelatinous stock (consomme usually to save freezer space) into Ziploc bags and freeze flat for more efficient storage. If it's chicken stock, I'll usually strengthen it by poaching another chicken in the stock before cooling, removing the chilled fat and clarifying, and then I'll used the poached chicken in something like a pie or chicken salad, so the stock is going to be cooled and heated as a batch often more than once before the final freezing in smaller containers.

                                          1. re: David A. Goldfarb

                                            Another option for home use is an immersion wort chiller.

                                             
                                  2. re: Demented

                                    If you are diligent about cooling stock quickly, the fact that your pot is copper isn't going to make that much difference - its the ice bath and, if you want to buy one, one of those plastic freezie-things designed for stock cooling that does the work. Transmissivity of copper doesn't add that much into the mix.. and if somehow resistance losses of the cooling metal did, just add some more ice.. not worth spending a few hundred bucks more for a copper stockpot.

                                    1. re: grant.cook

                                      I bought copper cookware when I retired because I have wanted it for years, but never wanted to spend the money.

                                      A copper pot cools faster than a clad pot in a water bath, period.

                                      1. re: Demented

                                        Sure, it does.... that's not the whole point - is it worth the money - do you want some young chef thinking if only they had that copper pot, they'd cook like Eric Ripert or John Besh? "Sorry, sonny, can't go to college, mom had to have that copper pot that some gear geek told her was necessary to get her chicken stock just perfect." What into an open kitchen or a restaurant supply house and see how much copper is lying around.

                                        Methinks this is a bit of the "gotta be the shoes" argument A stockpot just needs to cool somewhat quickly - it doesn't need some sort of precise temperature control like a saucier or skillet. If you are fanatical about getting stock down into the safe zone (in the what 2? 3? times a year you make stock), get rock salt into the ice bath and spend $30 on a Rapi-Kool paddle to drop into it.

                            2. I buy All Clad and couldn't be happier. Yes-maintaining the finish is there, but then again, I'm not into buffing and polishing constantly and like patina. The first time that I used them I was blown away by how much control I had over the heat, over burning, over sticking. Truly amazing.
                              I bought through Chef's Catalog a few years back when they were offering a terrific deal.
                              www.houndstoothgourmt.com

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                              1. re: monavano

                                Unfortunatly All clad copper lined is nearly as much as Mauviel now. I'll take Mauviel any day for the minimal price difference. Mauviel also has a SS line for those who may not want the care of copper. I used to be an ardent fan of All-clad but their product along with Calphalon has really changed over the last few years.

                                http://www.mauviel.com/default.htm

                                1. re: monavano

                                  Honestly, I find my Mauviel easier to maintain than All-Clad. Copper cleans so much easier.

                                  1. re: monavano

                                    Not much copper in Cop R Chef. Less than 1/32nd of an inch. Bourgeat, Mauviel, and Falk have 2.5 mm which is aprox 1/8th inch. Mauviel also carries a line with lower amounts of copper (1.6 mm - 2.0 mm). Falk usually sells 2.5mm unless they tell you it's 2.0 mm.

                                    1. re: krbtv

                                      You know, CopRChef is a bit of a joke. A pile of BTUs get wasted getting through a layer of SS to reach a foil-thin layer of super-efficient copper, which zips the heat to yet another dense, inefficient layer of SS.

                                      The copper layer is a cheap gimmick, and a problem. The only reason I know anything about his is because my mom has a bunch of expensive CRC and it's delaminating - the SS and copper are separating. Two pots already, and it's not like she beats on it - she's 77 years old. An engineer friend explained that it can happen because copper and SS expand and contract at significantly different rates. Eventually they lose contact and become even less "thermally efficient" (to use the ad copy for CRC). In my mom's case, a pot actually warped, which prompted the investigation in the first place.

                                      I can't afford it yet, but eventually I plan on replacing as much as I can of my collection with tin-lined copper. I only have a few pieces now (Mauviel, DeBuyer and Lara) but they cook like nothing else I've ever used. I have more control than ever, have no trouble cleaning it (ketchup and salt), and the tin is practically non-stick compared to my remaining SS (somebody mentioned moving to plain steel or iron for high temperature searing, etc., and that sounds like a good idea to me. At least it can be seasoned. My All Clad SS fry pans are pretty much all-stick).

                                      The more I use copper, in fact, the more convinced I am that SS has very limited use in a good kitchen. I figure I know what Christmas gift to ask for until about 2020. :)

                                  2. Hello CindyJ,

                                    In general try to gather an assortment of various shapes/sizes.

                                    Also, best bang for buck for you would be based on what recipes you cook. Do you saute, stir-fry, reduce sauces, bake or sear meats?

                                    I would suggest a fry pan. I use fry pans for quick sauteing and pan- searing chicken etc. Since you already have a pot with higher edges, it might be worthwhile to look into a shallow pan.

                                    You can also use it for baking (not to mention omlettes) - though with a long handle not sure if you can fit it into the oven.

                                    If handles are a problem, try a brazier with shorter handles.

                                    BTW, if I may ask, how long did it take for the pan to arrive? I ordered mine from Trulythefinest (read up on another thread here) -- and after two weeks it has not yet left the wearhouse.

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                                    1. re: cookiekakie

                                      I've come to the conclusion that there's something weird going on at TrulyTheFinest. Back on March 9, I ordered a large Bourgeat copper casserole with a lid (I was going to use the same lid for the brazier, which is why I ordered the brazier without the lid). I never received that order, and, sometime between March 9 and now, the price of that item increased by a whopping $300+. However, I ordered the brazier on March 15, and received it about a week later. I've sent emails and left voice messages about the earlier order, and they've all been ignored. Yesterday I canceled the order for the casserole; I have yet to receive a confirmation of the cancellation. I'm wondering -- did the piece you ordered recently go up in price on their web site? Have you tried to contact them? And if so, what happened?

                                      But here's a piece of information to tuck away for the future. I found a web site that sells the same Bourgeat cookware (as well many other brands) and it says that they'll meet or beat competitors' prices. I have every intention of ordering from them. That web site is: http://www.knifemerchant.com/products...

                                      I'll be interested in hearing if you ever get delivery of your order. And BTW, my brazier was delivered before I ever got a tracking number or a shipment confirmation. In fact, my credit card wasn't even charged until about 5 days after I received the item.

                                      1. re: CindyJ

                                        I ordered my Bourgeat from TruelyTheFinest on March 12, 2009 at 8:21 pm. I received the product on March 23, 2009. Now get this, I got a tracking notice on March 24, 2009; i.e. I received the tracking information after the package had already arrived.

                                        I believe the problem is with the Bourgeat company and not TrulyTheFinest (TTF). TTF does not carry inventory and has to rely on the company to make drop shipments. That's why TTF is so cheap.

                                        Possibly it's only a web based business and the owner has a full time job somewhere else. Of course I don't know this for sure. The main thing is that I did receive my order.

                                        1. re: krbtv

                                          I actually phoned the Bourgeat distributor in California. Turns out they never received my order from TrulyTheFinest. They gave me the names of a couple of other online companies they do business with, but of course their prices are all considerably higher that TTF. I also learned that ALL Bourgeat cookware is shipped from the Bourgeat distributor in Van Nuys, CA, regardless of where it's purchased. None of the online companies carry Bourgeat inventory.

                                          On the one piece (the 11" saute/brazier) that I did receive, I had exactly the same experience as you did with the tracking notice. The piece had already been delivered before I received the tracking information. And strangely enough, my credit card wasn't billed until a week or so after delivery.

                                          I'm curious to know, though about the piece you ordered -- did the price on their website change, or is it still the same as the price that was listed when you placed your order? I have a feeling that the reason they ignored my order was because the price was increased dramatically (about double), and they didn't want to honor the price on the original order.

                                          Which piece of Bourgeat did you get, by the way? And how would you say it compares to Falk?

                                          1. re: krbtv

                                            Oh, happy day! Yesterday I received delivery of a 9 1/2" flared saute pan I ordered from TTF before the price was hiked. It's really more of a saucepan than a saute pan, which is just what I was expecting. It's be-u-ti-ful! And it's about as large a single-handle copper pan as I can handle.

                                            This will probably be my last copper cookware purchase -- well, at least my last purchase of Bourgeat. Their saute pans and frying pans do not have helper handles, and they're too heavy for me to lift comfortably. I love the brazier, because it's got two side handles. I'm having fun learning how to cook with these. And I'm REALLY loving the 11" brazier.

                                            1. re: CindyJ

                                              Cindy,

                                              Good for you, happy it arrived.

                                              You mention the larger pieces are to heavy lift comfortably.

                                              Carpel tunnel and release surgery's, left my hands significantly weekend. When first starting to cook with copper cookware even a 2 ½ quart sauce pan took some effort when full, and pouring something out of the pot using the handle in one hand was a real challenge.

                                              I believe the increase in strength if owing to the daily use of the cookware.

                                              Noticed a few days ago, my grip strength has improved to the point I can handle all of the this cookware even full.

                                      2. Cindy,

                                        In my opinion, it's all worth the cost. My gas bill is half, may be a little less than half of what it was when using clad cookware.

                                        The only piece of All-Clad that remains in my kitchen is a grill pan that was a gift from my wife. Decided to use it to “grill” a couple of pork chops one night, that was it's last use.

                                        Put the pan over medium heat, let it get hot added the chops, 4 minutes on each side, they where nowhere near done. Needed to turn the heat up to medium-high and cook them for another 4 minutes per side. Twice the time it takes in the copper sauté I'd normally have used.

                                        It took me a while to get use to cooking with copper, it'd likely take longer to adjust back to clad.

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                                        1. re: Demented

                                          Interesting... I never stopped to consider the cost of gas usage. Are you saying that virtually ALL of your cookware is copper, and that compared to your pre-copper days, your gas bill is half? If so, that's pretty darned impressive!

                                          1. re: CindyJ

                                            That is impressive... Personally, I'd like one or two pieces, as I'd say it's good to have a range (non-stick, cast iron etc).

                                            But I can see that for example, heating soup, would be far more efficient in copper.

                                            1. re: CindyJ

                                              Replaced all the stainless clad about 5 - 7 months ago with Falk copper cookware.

                                              Paid the gas bill this morning after posting.

                                              Used 5 therms last month, march last year used 12, dropped from 0.41 daily average to 0.17 daily average. Don't have a gas heater so that doesn't factor in.

                                              1. re: Demented

                                                It will take a while, eventually the copper cookware will pay for itself.

                                                Combined the savings in gas to cook, electricity for cooling and time spent in the kitchen will all payoff.

                                                1. re: Demented

                                                  Except for the time spent cleaning them . . .

                                              2. re: CindyJ

                                                yes, this is one of those situations where "In God we trust.. all others provide data" - what other gas appliances are in your house (water heater?), and what's your gas bill in general? A gas bill that went from $7 a month to $3 a month isn't exactly that impressive..

                                                1. re: grant.cook

                                                  If you're asking *me* about my gas usage, my response isn't going to provide much "data." first of all, we have propane, and the tank is filled whenever the gas company thinks it needs to be, based on past usage. We have a propane fireplace, a propane grill that is hooked up to the tank, and a gas cooktop. I don't know how much gas we use or the price of the gas. Sorry. That's just not one of those things I look at closely. If I did, I'd also have to take into account a correlation of degree days with fireplace usage.

                                                  1. re: grant.cook

                                                    I have no idea how much or if I save any gas by using copper. We use gas only for cooking, and the minimum charge is for two therms, whether we use them or not, and our usage is usually between one and three therms on any given month, so for me this isn't a motivation, though it would be virtuous to conserve gas, even if it doesn't save any money.

                                                    I use copper for most things (but not everything), because I like the way it responds to heat and don't mind the extra maintenance.

                                                    1. re: David A. Goldfarb

                                                      Here in Socal, we pay for what we use. My gas bill has dropped by half or more per month.

                                                2. re: Demented

                                                  My electric range numbers is like this:
                                                  Lo, 1, 2, .....8, 9, Hi

                                                  Which of these numbers is considered medium heat?

                                                  1. re: Demented

                                                    Hey!

                                                    This post prompted me to look at my gas bills from when I started using copper, and sure enough they dropped slightly. Not half yet (because I still have a lot of much-less-efficient cookware), but now I'm going to keep an eye on it. Cool. Hadn't thought of that.

                                                  2. CindyJ,
                                                    I want to update about my oder. The very next day after my post, I got a reply from TTF about my order status. Yesterday, there was another email which included the tracking # and when I tracked it I found that the item was out for delivery :-)

                                                    It was as though someone read my complaint here and got in action!

                                                    It got delivered fine last night; though I have not started cooking with it. It is enormous pan and I am quite happy. I can use it for lots of other recipes apart from pancakes and omlettes.

                                                    Also one more thing I noticed is: I find the "redness" of Bourgeat copper a lot less red than Mauviel/WS line as seen in their stores. Any reason for that ? (It could be simply illusion because they might be using special lighting in the stores but regardless; I would like to know!)

                                                    Also, I would love to hear your experience about Knifemerchant. I intend to order more copper pans; except not sure which ones for now.

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                                                    1. re: cookiekakie

                                                      I'm glad you got your pan. I sent TTF an email canceling my order. Not surprisingly, I haven't heard back from them on that notice, either.

                                                      I did call KnifeMerchant. In general, they DO match competitors' prices, but when I referred them to the TrulyTheFinest price on one particular pot, the man I spoke with was pretty surprised and said there must be some mistake because there's no way those prices could be correct. And he wouldn't match that price. But then I asked him what his BEST price would be for that pot, and after a short wait he got back to me with a better price than the one on their web site. He actually split the difference between the two prices. Funny, I never before considered "negotiating" prices with online merchants, but that seemed like a natural question to ask, and I'm glad I did.

                                                      1. re: CindyJ

                                                        <tucking that info away for future use>