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cochon's Butcher - take 2

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kibbles Mar 27, 2009 03:12 PM

a co-worker hadnt been so a few of us hit cochon's new Butcher. its a deli and a sandwich shop, w/ a winebar and full bar selection. this was my second time.

eh.

while the sandwiches are creative on paper...the two ive tried were small, not wonderful, and simply not worth $10-12. the side of chips didnt help :). ive had the cuban w/ cochon du lait (not much flavor) and the pork loin.

i cant speak to the stand alone deli service tho, since ive never tried them outside the sandwiches.

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    dleyten Apr 26, 2009 07:09 PM

    I haven't tried everything on the menu, so I can't speak for the other items, but I thought the Muffuletta, while agreed was smaller than most in the city (but still very filling) was wonderful, great proportion of meat and cheese, the olive salad perfectly complimented everything, even though I was at first skeptical at how finely chopped it was.

    I just don't understand how everyone is dogging them on price when everything is made in house. Everyone likes to talk about eating locally made products until they have to open their wallets and watch the moths fly out. Think about what these guys are doing in house, sure, some things probably need to be tweaked, they haven't been open that long. I can't wait to make it back for a $12 sandwich made with all house made meats.

    Here is my post on my visit to Butcher with a lot of pics:

    http://www.nolacuisine.com/2009/03/13...

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      Bigrayok Apr 29, 2009 08:43 AM

      I have been to Cochon and really liked it. I was excited about going to the Butcher and having a good sandwich. I was disappointed. I paid $12 for a sausage and peppers sandwich and some potato chips which I do not usually eat but felt like I should eat this time because I paid for them. I paid $3.00 a piece for two 8 ounce bottles of diet coke. My bill after taxes was $20.00. I can usually get a 16 ounce bottle of diet coke for less than $2.00. I do not care about how artistic a place is, whether it has its own butcher shop, or its wine and beer selection. I just care whether I get a good meal at a good price. I did not think I got either in this case. I can get a better sausage, peppers, and grilled onion sandwich at the Oklahoma State Fair and a 32 ounce diet coke for $10 or less that is much better.

      I know I am probably one of those unsophisticated yokels that do not get it, but I know good food and good value. I did not get it at the Cochon Butcher. I have been to New Orleans a number of times and have been to a lot of the high end places such as Commanders and Galatroire's which I love and have had great meals at dives like Coop's and Rocky & Carlo's. Which so many good places to choose from, I will probably go to Cochon again, but I am not sure about the Butcher. I guess if I get another doctorate, I will understand it.

      Bigray in Ok

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      south foodie Apr 14, 2009 01:42 PM

      We went last night and enjoyed it. It is pricey, but worth it. You pay for quality ingredients. The boudin was very good, as was the muff and our pimento cheese sandwich. Also, the wine and beer selections are great. You can't get these things anywhere. Don't compare it to a po-boy shop. I will be back!

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      1. re: south foodie
        Lyonola Apr 15, 2009 11:43 AM

        Thank you for the intelligent post. I love how $10 for a handcrafted sandwich filled with artisan made meats is expensive. Consider that a Subway $5 dollar foot long, is only half as expensive and not nearly as good...

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          Hungry Celeste Apr 15, 2009 01:29 PM

          Amen to paying for GOOD ingredients. I don't find Cochon Butcher's sandwiches any more expensive than, say, those at St. James Cheese Co. or the upper priced sandwiches at coffeeshops around town (a grilled chicken sandwich at Cafe Rani will run you $8.95).

          Regarding the white bread, it's house-made, good, honest white bread. Not all sandwiches belong on wholegrain, or ciabatta, or crunchy, crusty stuff. I appreciate a properly made white sandwich loaf: in this town, it's a rare thing. Texturally, it bears no resemblance to supermarket white bread.

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            cheesegrater Apr 16, 2009 02:16 PM

            I agree, AMEN for QUALITY ingredients. I challenge anybody to name a shop that is going out on this limb to provide house cured salumi and sausages at this quality and quantity. I think that we as a city should thank mr.link and his group for taking a chance to bring US something new and very sorely needed. I have had had a chance to try some of the sandwiches and where I do not find all of them to be perfect I do enjoy supporting artesian food producers. If you don't like the sandwiches, fine, but you may want to choose to get a selection of sliced meats from their counter rather than from Rouse's, Steins', or Whole Foods because they were hand crafted here in NOLA, and then you can make your sandwich at home and bring it to work. I also find it sad that we as a culture so many time confuse quality, quantity, and cost.

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              Hungry Celeste Apr 17, 2009 04:26 AM

              Hello, let's not throw Rouse's under the bus, please. The local chain makes a fine selection of pork sausages, just like the ones I grew up eating, in a number of variations. In addition, you can buy fresh hog casings in the meat dept of most Rouse's stores, so they're directly encouraging home sausage makers to keep it going, too.

              RE: quantity vs. quality, all you have to do is drive by Airline & Labarre to look at the line outside Pancho's. For many people here & elsewhere, quantity is paramount.

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                kibbles Apr 17, 2009 06:23 AM

                more praise for the meat quality, while missing the bigger point: overall satisfaction..

                if Butcher's sandwiches tasted "freakin' awesome", then i would have no problem shelling out. however, the four of us 'foodies' were all pretty disappointed by the blandness and general lackluster of Butcher's $10-12 sandwiches. size being *only one* factor.

                let me repeat: *size being only one* factor.

                the other: they just didnt taste that good. nothing popped.

                no matter how dedicated the staff to local cured meats, if the sandwich doesnt impress then i miss the point...

            2. re: Lyonola
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              kibbles Apr 16, 2009 06:35 AM

              wel, im not sure what "intelligence" has to do w/ anything on this site. im fairly sure these are all matters of relative subjectivity. dont you?

              as for the sandwiches & quality -- its only as good as it tastes. as has been commented by a couple of people, even the flavors of the menu items (not the deli meats) just werent that impressive. cochon du lait is baby pig, it should be bursting w/ flavor. have you had the one at jazz fest by Walkers? delicious! but Butchers was really weak. the 4 people ive been there with were equally disappointed.

              and still hungry...paying 10-12 bucks (33% more than $9) for a toy sandwich was just the salt in the wound...

              this by no means suggests that you are not entitled to enjoy it. but please, dont bring "intelligence" into the discussion.

              1. re: kibbles
                mrsfury Apr 16, 2009 08:47 AM

                "toy sandwich" LOL

                Maybe some of the food is worth the price. I have not had lunch there, I've only been inside and looked around. I tried the praline bacon. Some love it but I didn't -the bacon was too chunky. My lunch buddy refuses to go in due to the prices.

                Until I can get my sugar daddy to take me there I'll be nextdoor where I can get a 16" Chisesi ham poboy for $6.99.

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                  mikemill Apr 17, 2009 05:58 AM

                  Kibbles, I'm fairly certain Lyonola's use of "intelligent" was in reference to the substance of the previous post, not to the unintelligent opinions of everyone prior.

                  However, I find myself split on this. While I make my own charcuterie occasionally, and am well aware of the work that goes into it, I have found myself shocked from time to time at how small the portions are at Butcher. Now, I usually leave satisfied, but I feel that-- regardless of price-- one expects more food on a plate.

            3. sirvelvet Apr 8, 2009 05:53 AM

              If you look at this place as a lunch spot, it is understandable why someone could be disappointed. The sandwiches are pricey for what you get.

              But if you look at it as a deli/charcuterie, then it is another story. Butcher offers product that is essentially impossible to get locally, much less product made locally. This is something totally new for NOLA. And, they do it well. In two separate visits I think we have purchased every type of sausage and salumi and we have been very happy. Yes, it is expensive, but you don't need to buy a lot anyway so total costs have been reasonable.

              New Orleans is a food city. So why shouldn't we have great food products available to us without having to bring it in from somewhere else? Especially those items which are unique to Louisiana but us city folk have to drive 2-3 hours to get? I hope this place thrives and also inspires others to locally make and sell what we have to get from out of state. Did anyone say bagels?

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                kibbles Apr 8, 2009 10:52 AM

                true, it is a deli and as noted i cant review that portion. but it is also a restaurant, a lunch spot as you say. so when reviewed as such i dont think also having a nice deli makes up for that shortcoming.. two different customer needs.

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                  Carrolltonsnob Apr 13, 2009 07:50 PM

                  I've had the grilled cheese (pimento cheese slider, I think it was called), and it was good but expensive and small. I chalked it up to the fresh ingredients, but still, I mean, it was a petite little snack and I am on a regular budget and no matter how good and fresh it is, I still have a budget.

                  I really enjoyed the free samples of praline bacon.

                  I hope they are able to survive, but I can't afford to eat there.

              2. N.O.Food Apr 6, 2009 02:29 PM

                Sounds like my experience with Cochon so I can't say I'm really surprised. Bummer though.

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                  geauxgators Apr 6, 2009 01:53 PM

                  Have to agree 100%. My wife, my two kids, and I went a couple of weekends ago. Great space, interesting menu, wonderful ingredients; and then we got our food.
                  My wifes tuna melt was of good size but devoid of any flavor. My duck pastrami and gruyere was served on a white wonder type bread without crust. Think of small triangle wedding sandwichs with less flavor.....for $9. There was very little meat. There were parts of this very small sandwich where bread touched bread. Unbelievable. My kids small personal pizzas were miniscule. Good flavor but the size of a beer coaster....for $7. With two kids drinks and two galsses of wine, this was a $70 lunch. We all left very hungry and very dissapointed.

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                    Vivi Doom Apr 4, 2009 08:37 PM

                    My man and I hit Cochon Butcher a few weeks ago after a morning trip to the farmers market, an afteroon trip to the Hollygroove Market and some kind of big breakfast. We had no business setting foot in there to eat, but once we were there .. wow oh wow.

                    We initally when there to buy some bacon. We walked out stuffed. The cook gave us samples of the Cochon sandwich, the muff and something else. We ordered the pork belly sandwich. I have to say, I was skeptical about the white bread it came on, however when it arrived ... yowza. Crispy on the outside, glistening and tender on the inside, the belly fell apart with every bite. The toasted white bread was slathered (generously, but not too generously) with what I remember to be some kind of homemade mayo and sprinkled with fresh mint. It was so simple and so delicious. We also left with a half pound of house made blood sausage and bacon. The blood sausage makes the perfect late night drunken snack, and the bacon is worth the high price.

                    We also tried some of the salami. it was good ... almost as good as Salumi in Seattle, but twice the price.

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                      Annasta Mar 28, 2009 10:12 AM

                      I checked this place out about a week or so ago. I, too, had the Cochon du lait Cuban and found myself and my tastebuds disappointed. I kept thinking "surely there is some delicate flavor I'm missing", but even if there was... Cubans should have robust flavors!
                      As ironballs mentioned though, this a new venture and I"m willing to to give it another go after they've matured.

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                        ironballs Mar 28, 2009 08:04 AM

                        i dont see why people are dogging butcher. i had a good meal there and since im someone who understands the process of curing meats in-house i dont feel it's overpriced. lets all try to remember that they are brand new and taking on what can be a logistical nightmare (charcuterie) try to remember that donald, steve and their hard working crew have brought us many great meals and they will be running at 100% before too long

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                          kibbles Mar 28, 2009 02:03 PM

                          well, new orleans is a sandwich town and $12 is a lotta dough for a small sandwhich* -- it better be really good. sadly, it hasnt been. not saying some of the meats arent good (as i mentioned i havent tried the deli), or that that they totally suck (i really like cochon! creative & tasty). but Butcher is just...eh.

                          *on size -- after Butcher all 3 of us, of slender build, were still hungry and had to hit NOLA Grocery for some additional lunchage. being hungry after a $10-12 sandwich is no bueno!

                          i do hope they "catch their stride" or whatever. until then my recommendation would be to increase the serving size or decrease the price.

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                            haywire Mar 29, 2009 09:50 AM

                            100% Agreed.

                            I've been there three times and had the muffaletta, pork belly, and pastrami.

                            The only one that I *really* liked was the muffaletta. The rest were good, but not $10 good. As someone who can't get enough of the Lilette pork belly entree, I was incredibly bummed on the pork belly sandwich at Butcher; my hopes were so high...

                            The deli, though, is pretty good. I spend at least two months a year in Vicenza, Italy so I'm pretty familiar with what they're going for. When I first went there--about three weeks after they opened--I got a few slices of each preparation. Some were near perfect (sopressata, mortadella) and some were overly salted (coppa) compared to what I've lived off in Italy. I will say, the standout was their mortadella style sausage (no cubed fat). It was really good.

                            I'll probably go back in the next week and try the same sampler and see how consistent they are in their preparations.

                            I find myself looking forward to their canned goodies included with each sandwich, rather than the sandwich... they're top notch.

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