Calistoga, Napa, SF - Itinerary Critique Please!
- Phoo_d Mar 24, 2009 06:56 PM
Hi San Francisco Chowhounds -
We're going to be spending 3 days in the Northern Napa region (based out of Calistoga) and then 2 days in San Francisco in early April. I've scoured the boards and several online sites to narrow things down and have come up with the itinerary below. I would greatly appreciate your thoughts and suggestions on anything that should be missed, seems unreasonably timed or can't be passed by. Thank you in advance - I've been totally blown away by the helpful nature of this board already. (Maria Lorraine your suggestions are goldmines of information!)
Orin Swift Offices in St. Helena - Early Morning
Nickel & Nickel 10:00am
Frog's Leap 12pm
Redd - Dinner, 5pm
Frank Family 10:00am
Vincent Arroyo 4:00pm
Brannan's - Dinner 6:30pm
Santi Taverna in Geyserville - Lunch, 12:00pm
Drive into San Francisco
Dinner at Zuni Cafe 7:45pm
Breakfast at Tartine Bakery
Dinner at A-16
Breakfast at Boulette's Larder
Fly home - If they can drag me onto the plane!
I think that looks about perfect. I'm not wild about Brannan's but it will probably be OK for one night. Nice work, nice research!
Taking a look at your profile, you might try some of the ice cream places in the area such as Bi-Rite creamery down the street from Tartine. What I do like a lot better though is Humphry Slocome on 24th street. Address, website and linked reports are on this Place record
The ice cream is wonderful and they have creative flavors, the Secret breakfast being the star, imo ... booze and cereal. They currently have foie gras ice cream. One of my favorites is the Valrhona fudgesicle. Mmmm ... I'm in SF this week. Going to have to stop by.
On Saturday morning breakfast at the Ferry Plaza farmers market would be the much better choice than Tartine. Switch Tartine and Boulette. There are such wonderful food vendors and many of the areas top bakeries and cheesemakers that it would be a shame to pass it by. I will warn that Boulette's doesn't have breakfast on Saturday, but there are so many good breakfast vendors at the market.
Here's the link for the farmers market
Humphry Slocombe Ice Cream
2790 Harrison St, San Francisco, CA 94110
Thank you for the ice cream suggestion rworange! Mr. B is standing behind me excitedly saying "Oh, $*@% yes!" You pegged our profile well =). We will definitely make a stop by Humphry Slocome. Thanks for the breakfast suggestions too...we will make the switch.
Maria - Is there a different restaurant in Calistoga that you would recommend over Brannan's? My other thought was Jole but there weren't many reviews yet. Thanks again for sharing all of your wonderful information.
I know it is not in Calistoga and you didn't ask me, but just below Oakville is Brix which recently had a staff change. If you can get there between 4-6 they have a fabulous happy hour where the bar menu is half off as are many wines and cocktails. Here's the place record with website and reports
Here's the link to the bar menu. Keep in mind all those prices are half off. during happy hour. The cheese plate is wonderful.
Since you are going to Ferry Plaza and are interested in ice cream, Spring Hill cheese sometimes has ice cream. It isn't anything with a real wow factor, but they have Jersey cows which gives a certain richness to the ice cream. Ask them if they have it. They don't make a point of displaying it. I'm not as enamoured with their cheeses which are fine. However, they makes some nice quark. There are samples
I fondly remember trying quark for the first time at a farmer's market (in Santa Monica, maybe?). It was from Spring Hill and it was LEMON. I tried to get our local (CT) cheese purveyor to carry it, to no avail. Do try the quark--it's wonderful!
Also, don't forget Recchiutti Chocolates in the Ferry Building.
Given your itinerary for Thursday I would not travel south to Brix I would eat in Calistoga. Will make for a more relaxed and less hectic day since its pretty full already. I think once your in Calistoga you could check out Brannans,Jole and others and decide where you want to eat. Should not be a problem getting reservations or just walking in.
I live in Calistoga and I agree it's better to eat there instead of traveling down valley. Your time will be less hectic. My choices for dining would be first Jole, second Solage especially for a leisurely lunch and finally All Season's Bistro. Spring has arrived so you should have perfect weather for your visit. Enjoy
Thank you for the suggestions. We will keep that evening open and poke around Calistoga to see what we can find. It sounds like there are several good options.
I may need an alternative to A-16 as they only had a very early reservation for Saturday. Does anyone have a comparable suggestion? My in-laws will be joining us that evening and are not the most adventureous eaters or big fans of tasting menus after a bad experience at Charlie Trotters in the 90's. (I've tried to tell them that not all tasting menus are like that...but it's hard to overcome the memory!)
We're headed to Zuni on Friday night - again with the in-laws and I think it will be a good choice from everything I've heard. (I'm just excited to try the chicken!)
I think reservations are going to be a must as the in-laws aren't the best at seat-of-your pants dining. That being said I've heard great things about Pizza Nostra!
On a Saturday except for early or late you'll probably be out of luck for A-16, SPQR,Delfina,Perbecco,Incanto etc. For prime time res hours may want to try Antica Trattoria,Zuppa.
I've lived in Napa for 2 years and eaten at Redd at least four times and never come away satisfied (not sure why I keep repeating my mistake), although the reasons vary from food to service. Even the chef's tasting menu has left me disappointed. Instead, I'd suggest trying Michael Chiarello's new restaurant in Yountville - Bottega. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article... Or, you can't go wrong with Martini House in St. Helena (especially if you love mushrooms!). As for wineries, you might want to check out Alpha Omega and Elizabeth Spencer. Bon voyage!
Could not disagree more with chowdog, with this caveat. I think at Redd its best to eat at the bar, even if its only the bar menu. Have been to Bottega several times since opening and it is good but I would avoid Martini House other than the decor/design forget it. Although Mon-Thur between 5:00-6:30 they have a good inexpensive family meal. As far as wineries good choices may also want to check out Del Dotto.
It's too bad that chowdog21 has not had a memorable experience at Redd. I have been going practically every Sunday for the last year and have never had a bad experience. Sit at the bar to get the best service. Plus, the chef is always in the kitchen cooking.
Bottega is very good and a beautiful restaurant, but for some reason it feels a little bit like an L.A. restaurant.
Don't even think about Del Dotto, it's a phony. They claim to have caves but it's just a building with dirt and grass on the roof. Notice there is no hill or mountain around the building so there can be no real caves.
Alpha Omega is a great reccomendation. To avoid the heaviest traffic try tasting rooms on the Silverado Trail. A personal favorite of mine is James Cole.