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It's a language thing...

tatamagouche Mar 20, 2009 09:29 AM

A few of us were inspired by the "It's a texture thing" thread to consider whether the names of things influence how you perceive/react to the thing itself.

I gave the example of "potato," which is such a darn cute, plump, soothing word, as compared to "urchin," which sounds like retching. Someone else mentioned "kreplach," heh. Etc.


  1. linguafood Mar 20, 2009 09:36 AM

    Personally, I think Kartoffelpuffer sounds more appealing than potato pancake, though I'm not a big fan of "either."

    1. kattyeyes Mar 20, 2009 09:43 AM

      I realize "pu pu" means snack (or something like that), but always found the pu pu platter to be a silly-sounding food item...especially as a young'un back in the 70s when we actually ate them.

      George Carlin had that bit about eggplant. (is it an egg or a plant?). Funny name when you think about it.

      As a non-eel lover, I think EEL is a perfect word for both how loathsome I find these creatures and how nasty they feel in my mouth. EEL...close to EUUUUW!

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      1. re: kattyeyes
        Harters Mar 20, 2009 03:56 PM

        "George Carlin had that bit about eggplant. (is it an egg or a plant?)"

        No, it's an aubergine (which is great word).

        1. re: Harters
          kattyeyes Mar 20, 2009 04:58 PM

          And a stunning color on a 350Z!

          1. re: kattyeyes
            Das Ubergeek Mar 21, 2009 08:45 PM

            I'm a man who sees the world in 16 Crayola colours. That car is purple... aubergine is a vegetable, not a colour. (Pet peeve. Aubergines come in MANY colours.)

            1. re: Das Ubergeek
              kattyeyes Mar 22, 2009 05:49 AM

              Not to taunt you--I just like to SAY aubergine. As Harters said, it's a great word. So rich and smacks of luxury. I like periwinkle, too, but not to eat and not on a car. I hear you--aubergines aren't only purple.

              1. re: kattyeyes
                greygarious Mar 22, 2009 08:45 AM

                The "eggplant" name comes from the small ovoid white ones.

                1. re: greygarious
                  kattyeyes Mar 22, 2009 08:52 AM

                  AHA, and never having eaten those kind most of my life, I always thought "eggplant" was a pretty ridiculous word. But I get it now.

                  We always had the large, purple ones. My mom is a huge eggplant lover and has made eggplant parm all my life. She has it down to a science...even an oven-baked method!

                  1. re: kattyeyes
                    TampaAurora Mar 22, 2009 07:40 PM

                    Please share! I just found some great eggplant and would like to make some oven baked eggplant parm.

                    1. re: TampaAurora
                      kattyeyes Mar 23, 2009 06:57 AM

                      Here you go. I posted it on Home Cooking for ya:


                  2. re: greygarious
                    Eat_Nopal Apr 15, 2009 11:08 AM

                    Anybody interested the Sinaloa style Stuffed Eggplant recipe in "Larousse de la Cocina Mexicana" is incredibly good... and the eggplant-apple stuffing works well with the little Thai Eggplants that are now easy to find at Whole Foods & many farmer's markets.

        2. BobB Mar 20, 2009 09:44 AM

          Ratatouille sounds awfully expectorative to me. A lot of German food words can sound harsh to an American ear - schnitzel, for example, or frikadelle.

          Pudding, on the other hand, is very cozy. I'd like to snuggle into a nice warm pudding by the fire.

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          1. re: BobB
            kattyeyes Mar 20, 2009 09:47 AM

            Frikadelle sounds like an expletive...what the frikadelle was that?! ;)

            1. re: kattyeyes
              greygarious Mar 20, 2009 03:35 PM

              That was my dinner, along with mashed potato and creamed spinach!

              1. re: kattyeyes
                yayadave Mar 22, 2009 07:03 AM

                You mean like ~
                Yo - yu mudders a frikadelle, so dare!!!

              2. re: BobB
                alanbarnes Mar 20, 2009 10:13 AM

                I can't hear the word "pudding" without having visions of Bill Cosby...

                1. re: alanbarnes
                  LindaWhit Mar 20, 2009 10:31 AM

                  Whereas for me, it conjures up the line "If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?" from Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall."

                  I have to agree with BobB - "pudding" is a warm, squishy word.

                  1. re: LindaWhit
                    alanbarnes Mar 20, 2009 10:52 AM

                    Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky...

                    Cosby was pimping Jell-O before Syd Barret got fat and shaved his eyebrows. Maybe the Coz could have done the voiceover: HOOOw can you have your JELL-O brand PUD-ding if you DON't eat your mEEEEt? (Excuse the poor attempt at transcribing his weird enunciation.) Or maybe not. Having Toni Tennille sing backup was a bad enough idea.

                    1. re: alanbarnes
                      LindaWhit Mar 20, 2009 11:05 AM

                      LOL! Good translation!

                      And what did Toni Tennille sing backup on? Not ABITW?

                      1. re: LindaWhit
                        alanbarnes Mar 20, 2009 11:26 AM

                        Most of the stuff she recorded for "The Wall" got scrapped. There's a bit of her in "Goodbye Blue Sky." And I think it's her voice saying "Roger, Caroline's on the phone" on "Empty Spaces."

                        1. re: alanbarnes
                          LindaWhit Mar 20, 2009 11:28 AM

                          Ahh - OK - on the album...not that particular song.

                          And that is just a weird combo - PF and Tennille?

                          1. re: alanbarnes
                            NellyNel Mar 20, 2009 12:52 PM

                            I never heard that before!
                            How odd!

                            1. re: NellyNel
                              alanbarnes Mar 20, 2009 02:14 PM

                              It's in the liner notes. They're what I read instead of whatever I was supposed to be working on in college.

                  2. re: BobB
                    Caroline1 Mar 20, 2009 10:22 AM

                    Bob, don't know if your first and second sentences are connected or just stream of consciousness, but for the record, ratatouille is French.

                    1. re: Caroline1
                      BobB Mar 20, 2009 10:41 AM

                      Just stream of consciousness. I speak German (used to live there) and a bit of French and know the roots.

                    2. re: BobB
                      tatamagouche Mar 20, 2009 10:24 AM

                      Funny, while I too find most German harsh sounding, some of the food words charm. Linguafood mentioned one, another is hassenpfeffer, although that may have as much to do with Bugs Bunny memories.

                      1. re: tatamagouche
                        linguafood Mar 20, 2009 10:30 AM

                        how 'bout plunderkuchen? maultaschen? pampelmuse? the latter one of my favorite German food words -- it means grapefruit. German can sound pretty nice. We do have great poetry.

                        1. re: linguafood
                          kattyeyes Mar 20, 2009 10:44 AM

                          Yesss! Didn't know it was so similar in German. Pamplemousse is one of my favorite mots en francais! ;)

                      2. re: BobB
                        thinks too much Mar 20, 2009 10:36 AM

                        Maybe it's the dialect I learned, but I do not find that German food words sound harsh, though sometimes punctuated. You can hear the crispy coating as you say Frikadelle. But in general the word is cradled in the hollow on top of the tongue. Even saying "wurst" properly gets your lips pursed a little to accept the sausage between them.

                        1. re: BobB
                          JungMann Mar 20, 2009 12:53 PM

                          I'm not quite the fan of Frikadelle either. Which is why I call them Fleischpflanzerl. Fleischküchle, however, sound rather revolting. And why serve Hähnchen when you can dine on far more melifluous Hendl?

                          1. re: JungMann
                            Das Ubergeek Mar 21, 2009 08:48 PM

                            I take it you get your Senf down out of the Chuchichastli. Odd that though I lived in "la Suisse romande" but had to learn Hochdeutsch at school, so that when I went to Zuerich I couldn't communicate at ALL.

                            1. re: Das Ubergeek
                              JungMann Mar 23, 2009 06:18 AM

                              Actually I find Schwyzerdütsch completely unintelligible. I learned Hochdeutsch but because I have now a largely Bavaro-Austrian set of friends, I tend to use their German terms. The neutral Swiss, however, have yet to force their Rösti down my throat.

                              1. re: JungMann
                                BobB Mar 23, 2009 06:43 AM

                                Ditto here, I learned Hochdeutsch in Hamburg and find it hard to understand anyone who was born south of Bonn.

                          2. re: BobB
                            John Manzo Mar 22, 2009 01:35 PM

                            You want "harsh," try Dutch or Arabic.

                            1. re: John Manzo
                              CoryKatherine Mar 22, 2009 05:45 PM

                              I agree about Dutch (my heritage)- the language is difficult. Doesn't mean I don't get all worked up at the idea of a stroopwafel... which they have at trader joe's by the way

                              1. re: CoryKatherine
                                Das Ubergeek Mar 22, 2009 07:26 PM

                                But you have continued the tradition of Secretaries-General of the United Nations with awesome names: Jaap de Hoop Scheffer is an awesome name, and not one in a thousand Americans can pronounce it. (I'm one of the 0.1% who can.)

                          3. m
                            MoxieBoy Mar 20, 2009 10:32 AM

                            Nu? What's wrong with Kreplach?

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                            1. re: MoxieBoy
                              tatamagouche Mar 20, 2009 11:42 AM

                              No, personally, I think that's a great word. Ditto schmaltz—and you bet I'll eat it too.

                              1. re: MoxieBoy
                                greygarious Mar 20, 2009 03:38 PM

                                It's the way the "ch" is pronounced, as though clearing one's throat. Like Billy Crystal's characterization of Yiddish as a combination of German and phlegm. ;-)

                                1. re: greygarious
                                  linguafood Mar 21, 2009 02:55 PM

                                  but that's the definition of dutch '-D

                                  1. re: linguafood
                                    BobB Mar 21, 2009 03:33 PM

                                    I have a British friend who likes to say that Dutch is not a language, it's a throat disease. But he's monolingual, what does he know? ;-)

                                    Actually, Yiddish is no more gutteral than many regional variants of German itself.

                                    The back-of-the-throat "ch" doesn't bother me as such, I went to Hebrew school so it's part of my standard phoneme lineup, but the combination of that with "krep" in kreplach is almost comically nasty. It echoes of crap, crepuscular, and cripple - and the singular of kreplach is krepl, which even on its own isn't very nice.

                                    1. re: BobB
                                      Harters Mar 21, 2009 04:56 PM

                                      I often travel to Belgium where they speak Dutch. But they call the local dialect Flemish, of course. But it should be Plegmish.

                              2. m
                                mselectra Mar 20, 2009 10:47 AM

                                I think my favorite word (in English anyway) is "lunch" -- actually, I think I'm still waiting to eat a lunch that lives up to how good it sounds.

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                                1. re: mselectra
                                  BobB Mar 20, 2009 11:00 AM

                                  Mmm, munch a bunch of crunchy lunch! Any discussion of lunch always reminds me of that bit from The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

                                  "The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why and Where phases. For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question, How can we eat? the second by the question, Why do we eat? and the third by the question, Where shall we have lunch?"

                                  1. re: BobB
                                    mselectra Mar 20, 2009 11:09 AM

                                    Thanks for that! I'd forgotten that quotation, how much I loved it back when I read it, too. I'm looking to Chowhound to boost my spirits today, and Hitchhiker's Guide is perfect!

                                    And it's past lunchtime now, isn't it? Better figure out what I'm having.

                                    1. re: mselectra
                                      tatamagouche Mar 20, 2009 11:46 AM

                                      Which in turn reminds me of that Deep Thought, forgive me for paraphrasing poorly as I can't find it online—something like: "Sometimes I think about all the misery in the world and I want to cry. But then I think, Aw, who cares? And then I think, What's for dinner?"

                                      1. re: tatamagouche
                                        yayadave Mar 22, 2009 07:09 AM

                                        Sounds like Pooh.

                                        1. re: yayadave
                                          BobB Mar 22, 2009 10:07 AM

                                          So does kreplach. ;-)

                                          1. re: BobB
                                            yayadave Mar 22, 2009 10:10 PM

                                            Say, speaking of "It's a Language Thing," I was talking about Pooh Bear.


                                            1. re: yayadave
                                              BobB Mar 23, 2009 05:24 AM

                                              I know. I reserve the right to willfully misinterpret anything for the purpose of getting a smile.

                                              1. re: BobB
                                                yayadave Mar 23, 2009 07:58 AM

                                                Oh, kreplach on you!

                                2. Caroline1 Mar 20, 2009 10:54 AM

                                  Okay... CACAHUATE! If that was the English word for peanut instead of Spanish, who would eat them? Or indeed, in Greek, since "kaka" means the same in Greek and English. But it's probably Nahuatl or something. Anyway, I often use it for a swear word. Works great! And around people who don't speak any Spanish, it has great shock value.

                                  And while I'm picking on peanuts (with apologies to George Washington Carver), "goober' isn't exactly the most appetizing word either! I mean, transpose the "g" and the "b" and you've got.... <blech!> I don't want to talk about it.

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                                  1. re: Caroline1
                                    linguafood Mar 20, 2009 11:00 AM

                                    I thought the Greek word for that was scatá. But maybe kaka is the coll. form...

                                    1. re: linguafood
                                      JungMann Mar 20, 2009 12:58 PM

                                      Kaká means "bad," which I suppose the English means as well, so long as you aren't a composter.

                                      1. re: JungMann
                                        linguafood Mar 20, 2009 01:01 PM

                                        IC. "Kaka" means something unappetizing in German (which I am sure you are familiar with), so I assumed.... the wrong thing. Never mind '-D

                                    2. re: Caroline1
                                      alkapal Mar 22, 2009 05:53 AM


                                      1. re: alkapal
                                        Gio Mar 22, 2009 06:40 AM

                                        Cock-a-leekie is a stange name for a tasty soup. But when it's garnished with sliced prunes.... well never mind.

                                      2. re: Caroline1
                                        CindyJ Mar 22, 2009 10:19 AM

                                        Doesn't "kaka" mean "peanut" in Spanish?

                                        1. re: CindyJ
                                          BobB Mar 22, 2009 10:48 AM

                                          No, Caroline has it right - cacahuete means peanut, caca means...well, caca.

                                          1. re: BobB
                                            CindyJ Mar 22, 2009 01:18 PM

                                            Well… a funny story. A couple of years ago I was helping out a friend who, as an offshoot of a county-wide Community Gardens program, was working with Latino children, teaching them to plant vegetable gardens. After they’d finished their gardening work for the day, she’d give them healthful snacks. On this particular day I was helping her spread peanut butter on celery sticks. The children, many of whom spoke little or no English, were talking amongst themselves and what she heard repeatedly was something that sounded like “Caca.” She admonished them about using inappropriate language. It wasn’t until one of the adults present told her that the children were talking about the peanut butter that she realized that “Caca” (they were probably saying “cacahuete”) meant something entirely different.

                                            1. re: CindyJ
                                              kattyeyes Mar 22, 2009 02:23 PM

                                              HA HA! Something similar happened to us on vacation years ago on a whale watch in Canada. In a nutshell (cacahuete shell?!), the tour guide gave rather lengthy explanations in French, then very abbreviated ones in English, which got old really quick. Well, many of us tuned out until LOUDLY, the guide exclaimed, "Le phoque! Le phoque! Le phoque!" Of course, that got our attention right quick. Then, rather annoyed, he said, "For those of you who do not speak French, 'phoque' means 'seal!'" ;)

                                              HA HA HA HA HA! One of my favorite stories!

                                              1. re: kattyeyes
                                                CindyJ Mar 22, 2009 05:12 PM

                                                I think I was on that very same tour!!! Was it somewhere east of Quebec city? Maybe on a branch of the St. Lawrence? We had the SAME exact experience!!!! :)

                                                1. re: CindyJ
                                                  kattyeyes Mar 22, 2009 05:58 PM

                                                  OMG...that is bizarre! YES, it was somewhere outside QC about 10 years ago or more. How funny!

                                            2. re: BobB
                                              Caroline1 Mar 22, 2009 02:22 PM

                                              Yup Cacahuates is Spanish for peanut. "Caca" (actually spelled "kaka") is Greek for "badly," but for whatever reason, back in mid-20th century America, many families taught their children to call having a bowel movement "kaka". Never could figure out why the parents wanted their children to think going to the bathroom was bad. Well, who understands parents? Especially your own! '-)

                                        2. Sam Fujisaka Mar 20, 2009 11:52 AM

                                          "Brindjle" makes me cringle
                                          "Tournedos" are twisty storms
                                          "Oeuf" say you when hit in the stomach
                                          "Supremes" should only sing
                                          Don't anyone "choux" on "coq"
                                          Are "cornichons" corny?
                                          Do Crepes" creap you out?
                                          And where did the whore go in the hors d'oeuvere?
                                          "Fromage" from a rabid dog?
                                          "Flageolets" only among consenting adults
                                          "Timbales' a kind of musical instrument
                                          "Pot au feu" shouild stink
                                          Spiro "Agneau", ex VP

                                          And use condiments when having sex
                                          You'll never roux the day

                                          And this is only fun with French

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                                          1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                                            tuxedo Mar 20, 2009 12:05 PM

                                            Very funny Sam....Actually laughed out loud at my desk!

                                            1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                                              LindaWhit Mar 20, 2009 01:57 PM

                                              LOL! An especially good way to end the work week, Sam - thanks!

                                              1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                                                operagirl Mar 20, 2009 02:10 PM

                                                . . . and I hope you like jambon, too.

                                                1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                                                  bayoucook Mar 20, 2009 02:59 PM

                                                  louded out loud - funny man

                                                  1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                                                    EWSflash Mar 21, 2009 04:29 PM

                                                    A long time ago my bro-in-law was having a suprise birthday party for his wife, and having no freakin idea how to spell hors d'eourveres, took a Dammitol and wrote on the invite-
                                                    "Cocktails and whores' dee ovaries will be served"
                                                    That had to be 5 years ago and it still cracks me up. Thanks for the memories, Sam!

                                                    1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                                                      Das Ubergeek Mar 21, 2009 08:51 PM

                                                      I can't tell you how many people mispronounced "tournedos" as a storm (three syllables) instead of as a food (two syllables). I personally insert a third syllable but it's due to my Savoyard accent, and the middle syllable is a schwa.

                                                      "Can I have the tornadoes of beef?"

                                                      ...must...not...say... "No, but you can have the toorn-doh of beef."

                                                      1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                        LindaWhit Mar 22, 2009 05:34 AM

                                                        Ubergeek, I'm one of those who LOVE tornadoes of beef. And now I know how to pronounce it. Thanks! :-)

                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                          kattyeyes Mar 22, 2009 05:47 AM

                                                          LW, me, too. Now we're both edjumicated. ;) Thanks, Ubergeek!

                                                        2. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                          kattyeyes Mar 22, 2009 08:06 AM

                                                          OK, Ubergeek, but wait...Merriam Webster says it IS three syllables after all:

                                                          The way the guy pronounces it in the 2nd pronunciation made it sound as though he's saying something risque. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Funny!

                                                          In any case, now I am glad to know I can pronounce this properly should I order it in the future, rather than just saying, "I'd like the beef, please." :)

                                                          1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                            Caroline1 Mar 22, 2009 08:59 AM

                                                            Akchooleee... unless my French friends didn't know how to pronounce it, it is three syllables... as in "tour-NUH-dough". The final "s" is silent, and while the middle syllable isn't stretched out, it is hit hardest of the three, but not nearly as strong as the "nay" in "tore-NAY-dough". '-)

                                                            1. re: Caroline1
                                                              LindaWhit Mar 22, 2009 11:45 AM

                                                              I'm so confoozled. ;-) But I think this pronunciation is the one I'm going to use, as it's just what it LOOKS like when seeing the word and closer to the way I had pronounced it in my mind's eye when reading the word. (Although the M-W audio version linked above has the emphasis on the last syllable. Arrrghhh! LOL)

                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                jumpingmonk Mar 22, 2009 12:38 PM

                                                                well, figuring out the pronociation of this should be easy. According to it's creation legeend the word should come from the french for "turn the back". Just find someone fluent in the pronouciation of French during the mid 19th century) (modified for wherever it was that Rossini actually did the ordering) ask him how to properly pronounce the frecnh words for "turn the back" and you should have a good clue as to how to correctly pronounce "tournedos".

                                                                1. re: jumpingmonk
                                                                  DeppityDawg Mar 22, 2009 12:56 PM

                                                                  Why would we want the 19th century French pronunciation? Why would we doubt Merriam-Webster?

                                                                  I can tell you that the "e" of "tourne" (< Middle French "torne" < Old French "tornet" < Latin "tornat") has never been accented at any stage of French, including in compound words like "tournesol" (sunflower), "tournevis" (screwdriver), "tournemain" (turn of the hand), "tournedos" (tournedos).

                                                                  1. re: jumpingmonk
                                                                    BerkshireTsarina Mar 22, 2009 01:05 PM

                                                                    Turn one's back, Tourne le dos; because the cut cooks so quickly you can do it in that amount of time, just turning around. Or maybe because it's what you better not do, or you'll burn it. So it would be three syllables, but the "l" has been dropped, so you have two syllables with a hesitation as a kind of elision. The accent is evenly balanced, or, if weighted toward one syllable, the weight is on the second syllable, because in French the accent moves toward the end of the word, while in English the bias is for the beginning. We do know the French pronounce the word for that marvelous place, café (they even put an accent on it to guide you); but in England they pronounce it more like caff-ay, stress on the caff. Or, to bring matters home, a lawyer will speak in his client's defense (accent on the second syllable), but think of what happens in football!

                                                                    1. re: BerkshireTsarina
                                                                      jumpingmonk Mar 22, 2009 03:41 PM

                                                                      Actually if the orgin legent it to beieved it was called "Tourne le dos" because the dish was never supposed to be prepared where the customer could see it. The stroy goes that Rossini (yes, the "barber of Seville" guy) when dining at one of his habitual resturaunts, informed the waiter that he was tired of all of the beef offerings. Whne the waiter tried to steer him on to the other sections of the menu, Rossini replied he like only beef. He then intucted the waither to tell the chef to take a crosscut of beef cook it, place it on a piece of fried bread and cover that with a slice of white truffle. The waiter sputtered and said that they could not do such a dish, it was unpresentable. Rossini was then said to have said "Well then, arrange that it is not seen". The dish became popular but it was a long stadning tradion that it always be prepared behind the diners back, hence "Tourne le dos".

                                                                      1. re: jumpingmonk
                                                                        BerkshireTsarina Mar 22, 2009 04:54 PM

                                                                        Even better story. Oui!

                                                                    2. re: jumpingmonk
                                                                      LindaWhit Mar 22, 2009 02:08 PM

                                                                      Just find someone fluent in the pronouciation of French during the mid 19th century) (modified for wherever it was that Rossini actually did the ordering) ask him how to properly pronounce the frecnh words
                                                                      I think it's much easier just to use Caroline's pronunciation description. ;-)

                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                        Das Ubergeek Mar 22, 2009 02:35 PM

                                                                        As I said, I personally pronounce it as "toor-nuh-DOH", but it is very common in parts of France (and much of French-speaking Switzerland) to pronounce an "e" that a Parisian would leave silent (and to tack on extra syllables -- "encore du vin" becomes "ahng-KOR-ruh doo VANG", with the seemingly-out-of-place-sounding "ng" becoming more and more pronounced the further south you go. Parisians, who tend to think they speak the purest French, wouldn't say the "e" at all, "toorn-DOH".

                                                                        Verbal stress in French falls on the last syllable, not the second-to-last, so it wouldn't be "toor-NUH-doh" anywhere, but "toor-nuh-DOH". Also, tournedos is singular as well as plural -- so you would have "un tournedos de boeuf" (sorry, can't produce the ligature on this PC) or "trois tournedos de boeuf".

                                                                        1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                          LindaWhit Mar 22, 2009 03:01 PM

                                                                          OK, toor-nuh-DOH actually works better for my tongue, but I was OK with Caroline's pronunciation as well. I would have struggled with the two syllable version, because my eye doesn't see the word that way.

                                                                          Maybe I'll just say "I'll have the beef filet, please". :-)

                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                            Caroline1 Mar 22, 2009 03:50 PM

                                                                            Here's a great website if you're ever in doubt on French pronunciation:


                                                                            You can even type in "tounedos" or even "tournedos Rossini", and the cute little guy will say it for you.

                                                                            If you just want to play around, there's a whole bunch of languages you can listen to down at the bottom of the page.

                                                                          2. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                            pikawicca Mar 22, 2009 05:10 PM

                                                                            Sorry, but the schwa sound does not compute in European languages. It's not "too-nuh-DOH," it's "tour-neh-DOH." As an ESL teacher, I have to say that "schwa" is the biggest linguistic challenge for Americans trying to speak a second language.

                                                                  2. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                    alwayscooking Mar 22, 2009 03:44 PM

                                                                    Das Uber

                                                                    I know you can pronounce the beef thingies but can you say 'bain marie'?


                                                                    1. re: alwayscooking
                                                                      Das Ubergeek Mar 22, 2009 07:37 PM

                                                                      Yep. WAW-duh BAYETH. (I'm from New Jersey.)

                                                                      1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                        phantomdoc Mar 23, 2009 05:44 AM

                                                                        Saying goodbye in romance languages frequently involves water.
                                                                        Italian- A river dirty. French Au Reservoir.

                                                                        Patagonian toothfish couldn't sell until name changed to Chilean Sea Bass.

                                                                        1. re: phantomdoc
                                                                          tatamagouche Mar 23, 2009 05:51 AM

                                                                          I've heard that, but I don't get it. I'd *rather* eat something called Patagonian toothfish, wouldn't you?

                                                                          1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                            alkapal Mar 23, 2009 06:16 AM

                                                                            not if you're afraid the toothfish might bite you back.

                                                                            1. re: alkapal
                                                                              phantomdoc Mar 23, 2009 06:49 AM

                                                                              Like Archie Bunker said about eating tongue. I don't want to taste anything that's tasting me back.

                                                                              Perfect word Italian, AGITA sounds exactly like what it is.

                                                                              In cooking, SPATULA kind of sounds like Yiddish.

                                                                2. Peg Mar 20, 2009 02:37 PM

                                                                  As a European (UK) I fully expect foreign foods to have foreign names - it has never occurred to me to analyse the names of foods in terms of how they sound in a British accent.
                                                                  As for 'eggplant' - the bizarrely American word for the perfectly named ' aubergine' - well, that's just plain wierd.

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                                                                    BerkshireTsarina Mar 20, 2009 02:59 PM

                                                                    DH will eat aubergine, but not eggplant; courgette but not zucchini. And his supreme comparison of beautiful food language with not-so-beautiful: champignon versus mushroom. He never quite recovered from being asked in France, Plus de champignons? instead of More mushrooms?

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                                                                      greygarious Mar 20, 2009 03:43 PM

                                                                      I once had brunch at the elegant Copley Plaza Hotel in Boston, where the menu included a creamed mushrooms served in a deep-fried toast container. It was called "Breakfast of Champignons" and was a helluva lot better than Wheaties!

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                                                                        kattyeyes Mar 20, 2009 05:03 PM

                                                                        Super clever!

                                                                  2. Passadumkeg Mar 20, 2009 04:26 PM

                                                                    Seventeen years ago in Bolivia a nun and one of our student's mothers brought a dirty disheveled 4 year old abandoned waif to our door and announced Mr. B&^%$o, we have your daughter. She spoke no English an we spoke little Spanish. A day or two later while eating supper one of our own natural born sons called me "Papa" and the little girl started to giggle uncontrollably and I asked why and she giggled some more and pointed at me and announced Pappas Fritas! (French fries in Spanish) and not loosing a beat I pointed back at her and announced Pamela Pomelo (they rhyme in Spanish). To this day, she is still my little Pamala Pomelo and I am her papas fritas or just poppy. (She is now studying, working and playing [in reverse order] in Austin.)

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                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg
                                                                      Caroline1 Mar 20, 2009 06:17 PM

                                                                      What a fantastic tale! Lovely. Thank you.

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                                                                        EWSflash Mar 21, 2009 04:37 PM

                                                                        What a great story!
                                                                        Did you hear about when the pope was in Mexico, the t-shirt makers were out in force selling comemorative I-saw-the-pope shirts, only some of them, rather than say "You lo vi el Papa", sadi "Yo lo vi la papa", or " I saw the potato".

                                                                        I'd buy that shirt!

                                                                        1. re: EWSflash
                                                                          BobB Mar 22, 2009 10:11 AM

                                                                          That's right up there with JFK's famous cold war utterance "Ich bin ein Berliner" (I am a jelly doughnut) when he meant "Ich bin Berliner" (I am a citizen of Berlin).

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                                                                            kristin311 Mar 28, 2009 09:47 AM

                                                                            And just think, had he been in Hamburg... Ich bin ein Hamburger... Or Frankfurt... Ich bin ein Frankfurter...

                                                                      2. tatamagouche Mar 21, 2009 12:25 PM

                                                                        I just remembered being in Trieste about 8-9 years ago and seeing a jar in a gourmet shop window for what was basically like a venison ragu. The label was in English for tourists I guess and it said

                                                                        Dear Meat Sauce

                                                                        which was the whole reason to buy it. Who doesn't secretly sweet talk their food?

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                                                                        1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                          LindaWhit Mar 21, 2009 01:14 PM

                                                                          OR have an affectionate salutation in a letter to their food? :-)

                                                                        2. Rmis32 Mar 21, 2009 12:52 PM

                                                                          I love the stuff, but doesn't PESTO sound like an Italian bug spray?

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                                                                            Boccone Dolce Mar 21, 2009 01:22 PM

                                                                            There's a pest control service company out of Largo, FL called Anti-Pesto - I kept the guy's card, the logo used to be a bug holding a gun and wearing a zoot suit like a little Scarface! Looks like they have a different logo now when I googled them...

                                                                            I often use food names as terms of endearment, most popular include:
                                                                            Dumpling (though I drop the G when I say it)
                                                                            Plum Puddin....

                                                                            1. re: Boccone Dolce
                                                                              kattyeyes Mar 21, 2009 02:40 PM

                                                                              And, I call my kitty pumpkin' pie.
                                                                              Of course, there's sweetie pie, too.
                                                                              Don't forget sugar and honey!

                                                                              1. re: kattyeyes
                                                                                Passadumkeg Mar 21, 2009 04:04 PM

                                                                                I have some Korean dog recipes that I threaten our lab with and tamales ones for the cat.

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                                                                                  lcool Mar 25, 2009 08:03 AM

                                                                                  a book of small bird recipes (starlings etc) found in a Dijon bookstore years ago that I threaten the Mynah with

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                                                                                    kattyeyes Mar 25, 2009 08:10 AM

                                                                                    I always wished I could have a Mynah (as a pet, not a dinner). They are so interesting! Does yours say anything food-related? :) Oh, hey...to clarify, that's me talking--the person not the cat. The cat would prefer to have one for dinner and couldn't care less about having one as a pet!

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                                                                                      lcool Mar 25, 2009 08:41 AM

                                                                                      she CoCo and he Mozart talk constantly all morning,laze all afternoon and get going again about 3 pm.Huge vocabularies,astonishing mimics and yes to subject matter F&B,recipes,wine info,3 operas.We won't go into all the naughty they get into.Thankfully they have outgrown rampant stealing,shredding and push it off while out every morning.Sin in a black satin suit,call the dogs and hurl insults.(dogs always come,cats never)

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                                                                                        kattyeyes Mar 25, 2009 02:53 PM

                                                                                        Very clever creatures. I'm sure things you say come back to haunt you--"a language thing," indeed! ;) Thanks for sharing.

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                                                                                          alkapal Mar 25, 2009 07:35 PM

                                                                                          >>>>Sin in a black satin suit,call the dogs and hurl insults.(dogs always come,cats never)<<<<<
                                                                                          LOVE IT!!

                                                                            2. alwayscooking Mar 21, 2009 02:50 PM

                                                                              Offal is just awful . . .

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                                                                                c oliver Mar 21, 2009 03:06 PM

                                                                                And falafel is awful!

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                                                                                smartie Mar 21, 2009 04:11 PM

                                                                                Tartiflette always makes me giggle, it's some swiss/french cheesy dish.

                                                                                muffin is a silly word too.

                                                                                thanks Sam for the laugh.

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                                                                                1. re: smartie
                                                                                  tatamagouche Mar 21, 2009 04:26 PM

                                                                                  Muffin's warm and cute!

                                                                                2. EWSflash Mar 21, 2009 04:44 PM

                                                                                  "sauerbraten" doesn't help any, but I would have disliked it regardless.

                                                                                  It's hard to say 'couscous' without somebody making it sound like a bird call.

                                                                                  It was much easier to get my son to eat calamari than squid.

                                                                                  Kipper Snacks always sounded like the essence of vaudeville to me, I was surprised at their smoky richness- dunno what I was expecting!

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                                                                                  1. re: EWSflash
                                                                                    greygarious Mar 21, 2009 05:06 PM

                                                                                    The waitress once arrived to take our order before my friend, who was considering both the fried calamari and the baked stuffed shrimp, had decided. Flustered, and trying to read the menu while speaking to the waitress, she ordered "squimp".

                                                                                    1. re: greygarious
                                                                                      EWSflash Mar 21, 2009 06:34 PM

                                                                                      Reminds me of when my friend was at the nursery buying curled parsley, and the cute teenage kid cashiering accidentally called it 'cursley', which is a good name for it if you ask me. Only you'd have to call the other kind 'flatsley' or something.

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                                                                                        jumpingmonk Mar 22, 2009 05:49 AM

                                                                                        Not sure if it counts but to me due to the ending, saginaki sound like something I should be ordering in a Japanese resturaunt, not a Greek one. You know, Sukiayaki, Teppiyaki.....Saginaki.
                                                                                        also one the whole "KaKa" thing, I cant help remeber that the one time I saw the fuit of the brown fleshed, green skinned realitve of the persimmon (sometimes called a "black sapote" in a store, it was labled "chocalte pudding fruit". I guess the store owners though caca-poule would put people off.
                                                                                        Actually, thats another one sapote, sounds like either somting I'm supposed to wear or something i'm supposed to wash with.

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                                                                                        CoryKatherine Mar 22, 2009 06:02 PM

                                                                                        lol my mom will never let me live this one down- when i was a kid (10ish), i went outside one morning and something smelled horrible- i think the neighbors septic system was backing up. but anyway, my parents had made scrod the night before- obviously gross to a kid, so I marched back inside and said to the family "everyone, don't go outside, it smells like disgusting dead SQUAD out there!!!!"

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                                                                                          Das Ubergeek Mar 22, 2009 07:38 PM

                                                                                          What the heck is scrod, anyway? Besides what you are when your credit card is declined at Legal Seafood.

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                                                                                            jumpingmonk Mar 23, 2009 05:56 AM

                                                                                            I think scrod is young cod, in the same way lamb is yound sheep/mutton or squab is young pigeon. at least that's what I was always told.

                                                                                            1. re: jumpingmonk
                                                                                              alkapal Mar 23, 2009 06:18 AM

                                                                                              so, at a younger age, i was "scralkapal"? not fair! ;-).

                                                                                    2. alkapal Mar 22, 2009 06:02 AM

                                                                                      "gastrique" recalls biology class diagrams http://www.innerbody.com/image/digeov...
                                                                                      and the "gastric juices." mmmm.

                                                                                      and gefilte fish sounds like a snotty sneeze (or am i confusing that with what it looks like in that jar at the grocery store?).

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                                                                                      1. re: alkapal
                                                                                        kattyeyes Mar 22, 2009 06:09 AM

                                                                                        Bless you.

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                                                                                          alkapal Mar 22, 2009 06:17 AM

                                                                                          please pass the kleenex!

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                                                                                          Das Ubergeek Mar 22, 2009 02:38 PM

                                                                                          I'm so glad you wrote that. I know it's proper French, and there's not really a better word to describe what gastrique is, but it's impossible even for me (who have been speaking French and English since I was able to speak) to not think about stomach acid. Just a horribly unappealing word.

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                                                                                            TampaAurora Mar 22, 2009 07:53 PM

                                                                                            I'm sure it is great fresh, but that jarred stuff is best described in the bloopers at the end of Rush Hour as "Filter Fish." My parents and grandparents would eat it at every major Jewish holiday and when cravings hit. According to my dad's stories (which are legion), my bubbe made hers fresh and kept the fish in the tub. I'd never heard of this as she died before I was born, but after listening to Theodore Bikel telling a story of the same weekly event my dad popped up and said that it wasn't the novel idea I thought it was but a weekly event in his home too.

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                                                                                              tatamagouche Mar 23, 2009 05:53 AM

                                                                                              That's awesome. I'd eat fish from the tub.

                                                                                              At 84 years old, after years and years of living in the Southwest, my Paterson-born-and-raised dad still gets cravings for 2 things: gefilte fish and chopped liver.

                                                                                              Which, come to think of it, is another good example of the original question: how did "chopped liver" come to mean, in a word, "crap"?

                                                                                              1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                Das Ubergeek Mar 23, 2009 06:27 AM

                                                                                                I always thought of that use as "something taken for granted" or "something kids don't like". When my daughter sees me get home from work and goes right past me to get a toy, my wife calls me "chopped liver Daddy".

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                                                                                                  tatamagouche Mar 23, 2009 09:42 AM

                                                                                                  Yeah, I didn't mean literally crap, I just meant something unvalued...but why that as opposed to any other dish of scraps, e.g. matzo brei?

                                                                                                2. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                  c oliver Mar 23, 2009 07:34 AM

                                                                                                  Is your dad a Chowhound??? He could "beat out" Caroline! for the title of Most Mature Chowhound. She might like that :)

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                                                                                                    tatamagouche Mar 23, 2009 09:40 AM

                                                                                                    Nah, just a dear old Jew.

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                                                                                                      Caroline1 Mar 23, 2009 03:11 PM

                                                                                                      I often have this mental picture of a bunch of nonagenarian lurkers squinting at their monitors and thinking, "Whippersnapper!" whenever I mention my age. '-)

                                                                                                      1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                        BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 08:40 AM

                                                                                                        Caroline, I'm just your age. Can I borrow your mental picture? Nothing like a smile to liven a day---

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                                                                                                          Caroline1 Mar 24, 2009 10:08 AM

                                                                                                          Yay for Diamond Debs! I give you my mental picture! I've got LOTS of them! And welcome to the wading pool! '-)

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                                                                                                            BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 12:01 PM

                                                                                                            Diamond Debs---
                                                                                                            I'm gonna wear my tiara in the wading pool, yes!

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                                                                                                            yayadave Mar 24, 2009 12:20 PM

                                                                                                            Speaking of pictures, where'd you get that picture. Did you do that? Is it a watercolor?

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                                                                                                              BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 01:43 PM

                                                                                                              It's oil on canvas, and yes, I painted it. Thanks.
                                                                                                              I adore still lifes of food, especially the Spanish ones called bodégones, painted by the likes of Zurbaran and Sanchez Cotan. Obviously I could never afford one, so the solution seemed to be: DIY. It's no Zurbaran, but it's a real oil painting LOL. Note the name, bodegones, same root as bodega.
                                                                                                              Here's another (if I can make it attach):

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                                                                                                                LindaWhit Mar 24, 2009 02:00 PM

                                                                                                                You're SERIOUSLY good, BT! Sellable good!

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                                                                                                                  Sam Fujisaka Mar 24, 2009 02:30 PM

                                                                                                                  Increible de bueno!

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                                                                                                                    BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 03:29 PM

                                                                                                                    Thanks very much, it's nice to hear. I stopped painting them after a while because I ran out of room on my walls, which got to be like Old MacDonald's Farm --- here an apple, there a pear, everywhere a lemon, lemon...
                                                                                                                    Interesting how motivating a love of food can be, isn't it? As everyone around here knows first hand........ in one way or another.
                                                                                                                    The colors don't come through true, unfortunately.

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                                                                                                                      Passadumkeg Mar 24, 2009 03:31 PM


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                                                                                                                        alkapal Mar 24, 2009 03:40 PM


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                                                                                                                          Sam Fujisaka Mar 24, 2009 04:01 PM

                                                                                                                          I draw (anything, as long as I can see it) and illustrate, but am not an artist like you. I do a new drawing w/ colored pencil for my daughter in her notebook everyday as she has breakfast. As a kid, people thought I'd be an artist, but being able to draw is hardly enough. On the other hand, would you trade a painting for a drawing????? Of food, of course!

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                                                                                                                            BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                            Nah, this way I can keep changing the menu on the walls. But I tell you what, Sam, if you ever find your way up north to the Berkshires, I'll cook something really photogenic that you can draw and I can photograph (which is what I'm into now). And you can tell a bunch of your wonderful stories, and we can marvel at what an incredible thing the Internet is. Happy Trails!

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                                                                                                                            Caroline1 Mar 25, 2009 07:26 PM

                                                                                                                            OOoooh! I've been missing all this good stuff! My 73 year old baby brother and SIL are here from California on their way to UK and France. I'm so proud of him; in the last year he has beaten three different kinds of cancer. Three!

                                                                                                                            Love your paintings, BT! I have a couple old food still lifes too. Except mine are preserved on my hips. <sigh> Fun kind of still life to do. When you're through you can eat your model! '-)

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                                                                                                                              BerkshireTsarina Mar 27, 2009 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                              Makes you wonder where "starving artist" came from, eh? Although actually unless you're a fast painter, grapes start to shrivel, plump lemon cheeks sag, onions sprout green topknots (of course that makes them even more picturesque, so that's not bad), and forget about peaches and pears. Then you paint the memories.
                                                                                                                              Belated congratulations to your brother; talk about The Right Stuff, determined to endure! Long may he wave.....

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                                                                                                                        BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 03:31 PM

                                                                                                                        And where does that wonderful head come from? I've noticed it for quite a while, and admired.

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                                                                                                                          yayadave Mar 24, 2009 05:03 PM

                                                                                                                          The head is called "The Listener" and is in a small park in Paris. It really caught my eye when I bumpt into it.

                                                                                                                          I started to follow "Paris Breakfasts" because of the watercolors of Marriage Freres, a Paris tea shop.
                                                                                                                          The lady is currently in Paris, photographing and recharging her brushes.

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                                                                                                                            alanbarnes Mar 24, 2009 05:35 PM

                                                                                                                            Reminds me of a prank that a few of my friends pulled a couple of years ago. Some see art, others see the opportunity for tomfoolery.


                                                                                                                            By the way, the sculpture was outside a restaurant. There. We're on topic.

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                                                                                                                              kattyeyes Mar 24, 2009 05:42 PM

                                                                                                                              I like how you roll, AB! ;)

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                                                                                                                                yayadave Mar 24, 2009 07:39 PM

                                                                                                                                That was a lot of work just to decorate a restaurant. Oh, yeah, it helps the children appreciate art.

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                                                                                                                                BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                dave, the head is fabulous! Have to go to Paris again, I've never spotted it! Once we were in a small town on the Main River in Germany that was dotted all around with giant heads, mostly bronze, mostly broken as if they were ruins, say, of Michelangelo's David, or of classical Roman statues. Louise Bourgeois has giant eyes up on the Williams College Museum lawn up here, which are kind of fun, although not exactly in the same league:
                                                                                                                                I also bookmarked the blog, looks like great fun. I recognize that stride, but certainly can't emulate it. It's definitely a Parisian thing. Where are the pain chocolats of yesteryear?

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                                                                                                                                  kattyeyes Mar 24, 2009 06:00 PM

                                                                                                                                  Those eyes are fantastic! I have to add just one more, and Berkshire Tsarina, since you're a New England board poster, you could go see this in person in Willimantic, Connecticut. A great restaurant not too far from there is one I consider destination dining for CT--Sharpe Hill in Pomfret. Be sure to scroll all the way down the page I'm posting so you can see these gorgeous frogs atop the spools of thread:

                                                                                                                                  And here is the restaurant info, should you be in that neck of the woods and desire a terrific meal along with frog-topped-spool sightseeing!

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                                                                                                                                    BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 07:28 PM

                                                                                                                                    Four Fabulous Frogs! Thanks for the links, kattyeyes (you are obviously a connoisseur of eyes). We went to Middletown for the first time a month or so ago, and ate at Forbidden City, a tremendous treat because when it comes to Chinese food in the Berkshires, we live in a Gobi Desert. If we got as far as Middletown, we might some day make it all the way to Willimantic, The Thread City. Who knew?
                                                                                                                                    I also admire your taste in comedy, nudge nudge wink wink.

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                                                                                                                                      BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 07:39 PM

                                                                                                                                      P.S. to kattyeyes: I kind of thought Willimantic was on the coast, but I just Googled it, and it's near Middletown (duh). It's also not far from Eastford, where there is the Still River Cafe, where we have reservations with friends in June. Frog Bridge, here we come! Less than six degrees of separation, no matter how you slice it.

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                                                                                                                                        kattyeyes Mar 24, 2009 07:47 PM

                                                                                                                                        AHA! Willimantic, as a whole, is not quaint or special as that bridge (in fact, it's not so nice in parts), but if you'll be in Eastford or Pomfret, it's definitely worth a ride over to see the Frog Bridge. W'mantic is probably 45 minutes or so from Middletown.

                                                                                                                                        Did I mention they dress the frogs in scarves for the winter? :) I'm so glad you'll get to see them in person. Will be interested to hear what you think of Still River Cafe, too.

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                                                                                                                                    yayadave Mar 24, 2009 07:37 PM

                                                                                                                                    These are not so big. The other side of each is a chair.

                                                                                                                                    I bumpt into the head unexpectedly on my way to E. Dehillerin, the cookware store.

                                                                                                                                    See, all things lead to food and we're back on topic.

                                                                                                                                    Oh, yeah, I saw these ... tourists?

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                                                                                                                                      BerkshireTsarina Mar 27, 2009 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                                      Wow, some people dowse and find just plain old water. You bump into sculpture!

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                                                                                                                      CindyJ Mar 23, 2009 06:03 AM

                                                                                                                      When my kids were small, they had a book entitled "The Carp in the Bathtub."

                                                                                                                  2. CindyJ Mar 22, 2009 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                    Okay, so maybe someone here can finally tell me... just what IS "frim fram sauce with the ausen fay, with chafafah on the side"? And where can I find the recipe? I'd REALLY like to try the chafafah. I'm imagining it would be served in a covered casserole. I'd bring it to the table, uncover it, and as a big POUF of steam escaped, I'd announce, "The chafafa is served." Or maybe it's just that I like saying the word... "Chafafa... Chafafa..."

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                                                                                                                      Gio Mar 22, 2009 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                      Those dishes do not exist. The lyrics were just written for the song...
                                                                                                                      ""If you don't have it, just bring me a check for the water!"

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                                                                                                                        margshep Mar 22, 2009 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                        All three items can be easily purchased at your local Tasmanian ethnic grocery store.
                                                                                                                        The recipes can be found in "Tasmanian cooking for Dummies". Amazon of course.

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                                                                                                                          CindyJ Mar 22, 2009 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                          Ahhhh... then here's a great opportunity to create the dish called CHAFAFA! It almost sounds like a middle eastern grain. Or a fish that's indiginous to the Arctic Ocean. Or maybe a little green sprout. Or a type of bean, maybe.

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                                                                                                                            Rmis32 Mar 22, 2009 12:44 PM

                                                                                                                            CHAFAFA was a dance craze in the late 50's. One - two CHA-FA-FA, One - two CHA-FA-FA.

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                                                                                                                              Caroline1 Mar 22, 2009 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                              LOL! Was that popular before or after the cha cha cha? I just can't seem to remember! '-)

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                                                                                                                                CindyJ Mar 22, 2009 05:17 PM

                                                                                                                                Is that CHA-fa-fa? Or is it cha-FAFA? Those would be two VERY different dances! :)

                                                                                                                        2. BerkshireTsarina Mar 22, 2009 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                          Having just opened a jar at lunch, I am reminded: cornichons beats little pickles, any day!

                                                                                                                          1. CoryKatherine Mar 22, 2009 06:09 PM

                                                                                                                            Can anyone explain to me the origin of the "newton" ?
                                                                                                                            I love love love a good fig newton, but I have to say that if someone offered me any other kind of a newton- which I assume means cookie... I don't know.

                                                                                                                            hey, want an oatmeal raisin newton? it's mildly reminiscent of a lizard

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                                                                                                                              DeppityDawg Mar 22, 2009 06:16 PM

                                                                                                                              It's named after Newton, MA.

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                                                                                                                                CoryKatherine Mar 22, 2009 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                hahahahaha WOW I can't believe I didn't know this. I work in Newton, MA. My best friend is from there. I live in the next town over. I'm such a loser!

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                                                                                                                                Das Ubergeek Mar 22, 2009 07:38 PM

                                                                                                                                She changed me into a newton!

                                                                                                                                A newton??

                                                                                                                                I got better.

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                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Mar 23, 2009 06:01 AM

                                                                                                                                  Damn. You beat me to it. :-)

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                                                                                                                                    alkapal Mar 23, 2009 07:28 AM

                                                                                                                                    for the uninitiated, this explains the "newt" reference, from one of the greatest films of all time:

                                                                                                                                    (doesn't she say at the end, when adjudged a witch, "it's a fair cop"?).

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                                                                                                                                      kattyeyes Mar 23, 2009 07:47 AM

                                                                                                                                      Thanks, I needed the CliffsNotes on that ref. Though I love THG, I had forgotten all about that scene.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: alkapal
                                                                                                                                        BerkshireTsarina Mar 24, 2009 02:55 PM

                                                                                                                                        She certainly does! And it is----

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                                                                                                                                    MoxieBoy Mar 23, 2009 06:23 AM

                                                                                                                                    And like Kyle in South Park, I can't start my day without some Gehagefageh! (or shortened to Gefageh!)

                                                                                                                                    1. DarthEater Mar 23, 2009 08:57 AM

                                                                                                                                      I always thought food sounds better in French.

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                                                                                                                                        CindyJ Mar 23, 2009 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                                        They might sound better, but they don't necessarily TASTE better. On my very first trip to France, about a gazillion years ago, although my knowledge of the French language left a lot to be desired, I had learned a few words that appeared frequently on menus. But we were in a little bistro a little town and I wasn't understanding much of the menu. So I asked the waiter if they served veal. His reply -- or, what I thought he said -- was "We serve veal -- de veau." I KNEW the word for veal was "veau" so I ordered the veal. My food arrived at the table, but when I cut into it, the texture was not at all meat-like. I tasted a piece and it was kind of gelatinous. So I called the waiter over and tried to explain to him that this was not what I'd ordered -- I had ordered the veal. But he looked at the dish in front of me and said, "Oui, cervelle de veau." In other words, "Yes, calves' brains." Talk about being lost in translation!

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                                                                                                                                          kattyeyes Mar 23, 2009 02:10 PM

                                                                                                                                          Ohmygod. That's "phoquing" awful/offal...and far less delicious than our shared whale/seal story. But funny if I didn't have to eat it. ;) YIPES!

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                                                                                                                                          bayoucook Mar 23, 2009 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                                          me too - except for eggs and fish

                                                                                                                                        3. Passadumkeg Mar 23, 2009 03:30 PM

                                                                                                                                          In Norway I'd sing "Baby Beluga in the deep blue sea" (Raffi) while frying whale steaks, "Here comes Peter Cotton Tail hopping down the bunny trail, ick." while sauteing wabbit and "Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeer" while serving a reindeer roast w/ a Maraschino cherry speared onto the end.

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                                                                                                                                            Das Ubergeek Mar 23, 2009 03:53 PM

                                                                                                                                            Here comes Peter Cottontail, hoppin' down the bunny trail... BANG! Supper's on!

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                                                                                                                                              jumpingmonk Mar 24, 2009 12:41 PM

                                                                                                                                              For those who like to sound pompous, the next time you are served rabbit, try reciting this limerick, courtesy of Mr. Edward Gorey Below is the orginal frech along with the (addmitiedy not that accurate) english traslation as pulled of the Web (I do not speak French so I have no idea how accurate it is.)

                                                                                                                                              Pour guérir un accès de fièvre
                                                                                                                                              Un jeune homme poursuivit un lièvre;
                                                                                                                                              Il le prit à son trou
                                                                                                                                              Et fit faire un ragoût
                                                                                                                                              Des entrailles et des pattes au genièvre

                                                                                                                                              In order to cure a bout of fever
                                                                                                                                              A young man chased a hare
                                                                                                                                              He caught it at it's hole
                                                                                                                                              and made a stew
                                                                                                                                              of innards and paws with gin

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                                                                                                                                                BobB Mar 24, 2009 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                Careful - every time I've posted poetry in the past (even about food) it's gotten deleted. Never could understand why.

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                                                                                                                                                  Das Ubergeek Mar 24, 2009 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Not bad at all!

                                                                                                                                                  To cure a bout of fever,
                                                                                                                                                  A young man chased after a hare;
                                                                                                                                                  He took it at its hole,
                                                                                                                                                  And had a stew made
                                                                                                                                                  Of the innards and the paws with juniper.

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                                                                                                                                                    jumpingmonk Mar 24, 2009 03:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I'm fairly sure that "gin" is waht is meant even if the word is the same in french. All Gorey works come with illustrations (he is after all an artist first and authour second) and the drawing shows a man chasing a rabbit with a bottle in his pocket, not a bunch of herbs.

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                                                                                                                                                    Sam Fujisaka Mar 24, 2009 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                    To get rid of that fever
                                                                                                                                                    Whack that hare with yer cleaver
                                                                                                                                                    Followed by stout round of gineever
                                                                                                                                                    All cooked with tail of beaver

                                                                                                                                                    - Mas Akasijuf

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                                                                                                                                                      Passadumkeg Mar 24, 2009 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Gineever! Prost!

                                                                                                                                                      Keeg Vaan Lekebekke

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                                                                                                                                                  CindyJ Mar 23, 2009 06:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                  ...and did you also sing, "They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning... No one you see, is smarter than he..." as you cooked mahi mahi?

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                                                                                                                                                    Passadumkeg Mar 23, 2009 06:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                    "In the octopus's garden w/ me." cooked in ink.

                                                                                                                                                    In Quebec or France, "Nobody can talk to a horse of course..."

                                                                                                                                                    "Disco, disco duck" Peking.

                                                                                                                                                    "Do the Funky Chicken" fried.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg
                                                                                                                                                      jumpingmonk Mar 24, 2009 05:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Or, If you are in Arles, chowing down on you saucisson d'ane, "Jingely, Jing, it's Domninick the Donkey....."

                                                                                                                                                      In Korea "how much is that doggie in the window.."

                                                                                                                                                      Oh what the hell lets go the whole way

                                                                                                                                                      "How much is that doggie in the window,
                                                                                                                                                      The one with th plump meaty cheeks?
                                                                                                                                                      How much is that doggie in the window
                                                                                                                                                      he could feed my family for weeks."

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                                                                                                                                                        Passadumkeg Mar 24, 2009 07:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Damn, missed that one. Will howl in Seoul in 2 months! Be goin' to the dogs; gonna get So Ju-ish.

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                                                                                                                                                      alkapal Mar 24, 2009 06:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                      i once had to argue with someone that flipper was *not* the dolphin (fish) on the menu. but, hey....she knew it all.

                                                                                                                                                      this reminds me of yet another famous dolphin, "snowflake," from one of the best movies ever made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XOIvJ...

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                                                                                                                                                        kattyeyes Mar 24, 2009 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                        My mom used to have a plaque with a picture of a very regal-looking Afghan hound on it. Underneath the dog's picture were the words:
                                                                                                                                                        "Those of you who think you know everything
                                                                                                                                                        Are annoying to those of us who do."

                                                                                                                                                        I once dated a guy who made Flipper noises as he was eating his mahi-mahi. Some folks ya just can't reach!

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                                                                                                                                                          alkapal Mar 24, 2009 03:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                          katty, i had to laugh at your mom's plaque -- maybe i'll have to get one for my kitchen! LOL!

                                                                                                                                                          for some (very obscure) reason *** it reminds me of another plaque i've seen:
                                                                                                                                                          "i don't repeat gossip...
                                                                                                                                                          so listen well the first time."

                                                                                                                                                          *** merely the word "plaque," apparently! oh, how the mind works.....;-).

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                                                                                                                                                    Sal Vanilla Mar 25, 2009 08:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Chop Suey
                                                                                                                                                    Mung Bean
                                                                                                                                                    Blood Pudding

                                                                                                                                                    And finally something that SOUNDS like dessert, but when you find out its body parts name you get that weird repulsed look on your face: Sweetbreads.

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