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Amer Picon substitute?

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I've given up on trying to find this product, or its reputed substitute, Torani Amer. Can anyone recommend anything that comes reasonably close to substitute? I have found some St. Raphael, which is a wine-based, orange flavored French aperitif. Perhaps that might work? Thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions.

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  1. not a fan of Torani Amer, much too vegetal (this was a bottle i ordered about a year ago, supposedly the formula has changed but not sure whether the change was before or after that). Some places use Ramazotti as a substitute (see also Boudreau's recipe http://spiritsandcocktails.wordpress.... which comes close) although i find it is more bitter and less orangey than Amer. I would suggest a mix of something a bit dark/spicy like Allspice Dram with something very orangey like Cointreau and add some bitters or a bit of Ramazotti, Nonino Amaro or even Averna for herbal character. Amer has a slightly toffee/vanilla quality as well which you might try to replicate (perhaps add a drop of Tuaca) -- good luck! Since you seem to be in Boston, you can calibrate against the Amer replica at Craigie (or the Amer at Drink/Green St-- not so much a fan of the Amer replica at Deep Ellum)

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    1. re: barleywino

      fwiw i did another side by side comparison of Amer and Ramazotti, the Ramazotti seems to have more anise notes while the Amer has more "coffee" notes, if that's any help...good luck

      1. re: barleywino

        Have you tried St. Rapheal? Unlike Ramazotti, it's an aperitif with a bitter quinine flavor and some orange. I like the idea of mixing cointreau w/ Allspice dram. I'll give that a shot.

        1. re: craigasaurus

          have not tried it, will keep my eyes out for it, thanks!

          1. re: barleywino

            Are you in the Boston area? I found it at a store right of the Mass. Pike exit in Newton, across the street fromt the Sheraton Hotel. The store had a whole shelf of it, and none of the bottles were priced. They sold it to me for $5!

            Anyway, according to Cocktaildb, Rapheal is a substitute for Punt e Mes, so I decided to do a little comparison. Not reallly the same thing - PeM is much heavier and more bitter; Rapheal is more Vermouth-like. I'd have to guess that it's actually closer to something like Dubbonet Rouge, as both are classified as quinquinas.

            1. re: craigasaurus

              sounds tasty, will have to check it out in Newton, thanks for the tip!

              1. re: barleywino

                Does anyone know a place in NYC or online that you can order St. Rapheal? I did some googling and fell short on actually finding a site listing it for sale.
                thank you

                1. re: dhs

                  I think I may have bought St. Raphael at Astor.

                  Agreed it's more in the vermouth family and not my favorite of those.
                  I regularly use Torani Amer, which I've ordered online. If I try hard to remember Amer Picon's flavor (sigh), I believe Torani is a bit heavier and maybe more molassesy, and less delicately orange.

        2. re: barleywino

          Wow, it's so amazing how tangents to these threads emerge.

          Anyways, I've never really been all that into Tequilas, but on a whim bought a bottle of what I'm told is a pretty nice blanco. I'm thinking about making a Jaguar (by Tom Schlessinger, of Eastern Standard/Craigie Street) and it calls for 3/4 oz. of Amer Picon. Do you think I could do it justice if I poured equal 1/4 oz portions of Ramazotti, homemade Pimento Dram, and Luxardo Triplum (the only orange liqueur I have)? I realize this would turn into like a 7-ingredient drink, but nonetheless I'm willing to give it a shot.

          Thanks!

          1. re: craigasaurus

            sounds excellent...let us know how it comes out
            homemade Pimento Dram sounds great