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I am going to be in Dayton for work at the end of March and am looking for unique food experiences to try. I know I will at least go to either White Castle or Culvers, but I would Like to Limit the fast food consumption on this trip.

I made this request in Des Moines a year ago and had a fantastic time trying some Salumi from La Quercia and drinking a fantastic Local Rye Whiskey Templeton's

Are there any local only fantastic Experiences in Dayton? Let me know.

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  1. Pizza with salt on the bottom of the crust (Marion's)

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    1. re: FireRev

      Sounds Interesting. Can you get it by the slice?

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      Marion's Piazza: Centerville
      241 N Main St, Dayton, OH 45402

      1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

        No, it's thin-crust and cut into bite-sized pieces.

        You may get bored, lemons, but there are a lot of things you could catch in LA that you probably won't in Dayton.

    2. You can get Cincinnati chili at many places in Dayton. It was an invention, I believe, of Bulgarians in Cincinnati. It's chili spaghetti, with cheese (three-way), raw onions or beans (four-way), or the works (five-way), all topped with oyster crackers on a ridiculously small plate that pretty much forces you to spill it all over the place. Unique flavor due in part to the use of cocoa or chocolate, with allspice and other spices. Skyline Chili is the best of the chains IMO, but other chains have their partisans. There are local places in Cincinnati that serve a better version, but I don't know about Dayton. Skyline is all over the place, however:

      http://skylinechili.com/locations.php...

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      1. re: Jim M

        Matta this place is almost a must.

        You won't find this stuff anywhere else in the country except in the freezer case in some places. It's a very unique experience. I get mine 3 way or coney dogs. The "Chili" is more of a spaghetti sauce and has a distinct taste. Put out all preconceived notions of what chili should be and taste like. The goofiest part of all is, it comes with an impossibly generous mound of cheese on top.

        We almost always stop for it when we're on the road since it's roughly dinner time when we go through there.

        I'm not saying you're gonna like it but if you want something unique........

        DT

        1. re: Davwud

          I'm a little scared but if it is close I'll try it

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          Skyline Chili
          1153 Brown St, Dayton, OH 45409

          1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

            No need to be scared. The first time I tried it, it took about half an order before I absolutely loved it. Now I make it at home sometimes. It's not like you're gonna drop $25 on an order. Order something small as a taste and if it's for you, go for more. If it's not, chalk it up to experience. Even if I didn't like it, I would be more than happy to say that I gave it a try.

            DT

            1. re: Davwud

              i just saw this post and skyilne was my first thought. love it. miss it now that we don't live there anymore!

        2. re: Jim M

          cincinnai chili, at least at the original all-night parlors in cincinnati, was greek. and it ain't chili. just watch out. best eaten after the bars close. never found true facsimilie anywhere outside sw ohio. even still, it's been bastardized and now even available drive thru. this is amazing because it's messy messy messy! and you probably won't enjoy it all that much. you might find decent tings in dayton oh, but noting much new there. stick with what's safe on any menu................ that's my best advice. btw, the chili is rumored to have unsweetened baker's chocolate and/or coffee in it. i say maybe chocolate and some other mystery ingredients.

          1. re: Jim M

            It was Greek folks that came up with it... and some of the local small shops are still owned by Greek families.

            1. re: browneyedgirl83

              IMO, it is the small local shops that do it best. Much better than the two largest chains. There are a couple small chili parlors in Dayton, on the West side. I haven't tried them.

              1. re: Fibber McGee

                Funny this should come up. We just left Skyline on Miller Lane. We're in the Drury Inn watching the game now.

                Good storm we just had.

                DT

                1. re: Fibber McGee

                  what are the names of the 2 places on the west side?

                  1. re: jackrugby

                    Ramiz's, which is on W. Third across from the Veteran's Cemetery, and 5 Star, which is on Siebenthaler. I've tried 5 Star when there was one on Broad St in Fairborn. Not too bad. That location is now a chinese restaurant, the one with the drive-thru window.

                    1. re: jackrugby

                      Do you mean Empress Chili?

                      1. re: JohnE O

                        No, not in Dayton. Unless that happened real recently.

                        1. re: Fibber McGee

                          There aren't any Empress Chilis in Dayton.

                          I'll have to try Ramiz's and 5 Star, thanks for the info.

              2. One thing that you can get in Dayton that you often can't find in LA is good food at reasonable prices!

                Although I haven't been there myself, I have heard good things about Rue Dumaine in Centerville. Anne Kearney is a nationally known chef (James Beard award winner) from her years cooking/owning Peristyle in New Orleans and she has returned home to open her new place in Centerville. I believe the menu features regional dishes although the food has influences from all over. And I know that they are charging less than they did in their restaurant in N.O.

                http://www.ruedumainerestaurant.com/

                The other thought would be Amish/Mennonite food. I believe there is a family style chicken restaurant in Waynesville that is Mennonite owned and has country style food. The name escapes me at the moment, but I'm sure others will know of it or another one like it closer in to town. (Having lived in LA for 35 years, I can't think of a family style chicken restaurant there. Just Roscoe's for chicken and it's not at all the same thing.

                )

                Oh, and it's a chain, but there isn't anything exactly like it in LA and it's emblematic of Ohio style chain restaurants: Bob Evans. Biscuits and Gravy, Grits, SAusage and all that kind of food.

                Have fun. We have found lots of interesting places to poke around in in the Dayton area and I hope you have fun too.

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                1. re: dumas

                  I believe the Amish restaurant in Waynesville dumas is refering to is Der Dutchman. www.dhgroup.com
                  It is a small chain of Amish style cooking that I believe is only in Ohio. If you go I recommend the shredded beef and noodles as well as the donuts and pies. Yum!!

                  1. re: qkalis

                    Der Dutchman seems its like what I'm looking for though it seems a little far from Downtown Dayton where I'll be but if traffic is not an issue It would be worth the trip

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                    Der Dutchman
                    230 N State Route 42, Waynesville, OH 45068

                    1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                      The one thing I can GUARANTEE you can get in Dayton that you won't get in LA is around...there's no traffic even close to compare with LA. And Der Dutchman donuts are slap your mama good...Well worth the trip & the impending sugar coma.

                    2. re: qkalis

                      Der Dutchman does a very good job recreating the food of the Amish , but their bread pudding is to die for.

                      Id suggest a trip to Jungle Jim's for the experience and if you have room to carry a few items back to LA.

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                      Der Dutchman
                      230 N State Route 42, Waynesville, OH 45068

                      Jungle Jim's Cafe
                      1923 N Peoria Rd, Springfield, IL 62702

                      1. re: Kelli2006

                        I second Jungle Jim's.

                    3. re: dumas

                      Depending on how my Cholesterol is feeling I might do Bob Evans though if there is a local alternative to it that might be better.

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                      Bob Evans Farms Restaurant
                      1901 W Dorothy Ln, Moraine, OH 45439

                      1. re: dumas

                        yep. that place in waynesville is wholesome regular food. LOTS of it. lots of hurrah for the all-you-care-to-eat in those parts. feedbags, i call them. go sunday just to watch people.

                        1. re: lil magill

                          If you're referring to Der Dutchman, they are closed on Sunday. Which, I believe, all Ohio Amish restaurants are with a few rare exceptions.

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                          Der Dutchman
                          230 N State Route 42, Waynesville, OH 45068

                      2. Well you can probably get them via mail order, but the Esther Price candy company is HQ'd in Dayton:

                        http://www.estherprice.com/company_lo...

                        My neighbor tells me if you take a tour you can get a ridiculous amount of candy on the cheap.

                        1. The things most folks who move away (including my brother in LA) seem to miss are Marion's pizza, MikeSells potato chips, and Esther Price chocolates. Marions and Cassanos are local chains that sell square cut, thin crust pizza with the previously mentioned salt on the bottom. Marions is cash only, they don't deliver, and there are multiple establishment. Cassanos delivers and takes plastic. Neither sells pizza by the slice, but Marions used to sell a "personal pizza" (maybe 4 inches) at lunch; not sure if they still do.

                          Rue Domaine is good although not as good as Peristyle in NOLA was, IMO. Of course, the prices aren't as high, either. It's in the south suburbs of Dayton.

                          We have an old-fashioned steak house called the Pine Club which is a local favorite. Also cash only, and no reservations. It hasn't changed since I was a kid (except it's now smoke free as are all Ohio public establishments). Dumas reported that there was no line the last time she was there (on a Weds eve, I believe) but I've always had to wait.

                          Skyline Chilli and Graeters Ice Cream are both Cincinnati institutions, but Cinci is only 50 miles south of Dayton. There are multiple outlets of both in the Dayton area. I'm not really a fan of Skyline, but you may want to try it at least once; it is unique! Graeters biggest claim to fame in my opinion is that their chip ice cream has large, chewable chocolate chips; the Black Rasberry is many folks' favorite.

                          Let us know where you'll be staying and we can provide more suggestions.

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                          1. re: Niki in Dayton

                            I believe we'll be staying right in Downtown hopefully I will know exactly where soon.

                            1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                              In Dayton, Third and Main Street is considered the center of downtown. The numbered streets (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.) run east and west. Just a few blocks east of Main, on 5th Street, is the Oregon district. There are quite a few bars and some restaurants in the Oregon district. We like Jay's best of the restaurants; their chef, Justin White, makes killer short ribs! Jays is known primarily for seafood and has a good wine list; it may not be too special for someone from LA (although the historic bar inside Jay's dates from the 19th century and is gorgeous), but it's good and reasonably priced. It's also walking distance if you're staying downtown (I think there are only two hotels downtown, and one of them is right on Fifth St at the edge of the Oregon district). There's also a tiny little diner like place called Smokin on the corner of Fifth and Patterson that specializes, of course, in smoked food. This time of year (Lent), they'll have smoked fish. The smoked pork chops and burgers are also good.

                            2. re: Niki in Dayton

                              OMG, please don't even mention Marion's and Cassano's in the same sentence. Marion's is Dayton-style pizza. Cassano's is the same crap served by any dozen small chains the country over.

                              1. re: valereee

                                Actually, not. As it happens, my mother-in-law was Vic Cassano's first non-relative employee, and before she passed away, she showed us the hand-written pizza dough and sauce recipes she used back in the day. Both Cassano's and Marion's serve thin, crispy crust, square cut pizza and both are definitely local. You may (strongly) prefer Marions, and that's your perogative, but other opinions differ ;-)

                                1. re: Niki in Dayton

                                  Great story! I'll acknowledge it's possible my preference is personal (my husband worked at both back in high school and has multiple stories about the profound difference in quality including things like Marion's specifying all pieces of pepperoni must touch each other while Cassano's specified one finger's width between pepperoni slices), but Cassano's to me doesn't resemble Marion's in the least, either in sauce flavor or in crust taste/texture.

                                  1. re: valereee

                                    And, truth be told, I don't often eat Cassano's. We like Dewey's best of the pizza options in Dayton, and Marion's is our second choice.

                                    1. re: Niki in Dayton

                                      Dewey's is our first choice where we live now in Cincinnati, but when we come "home" we always have to have Marion's. Even my kids, who were raised in Cincinnati, consider Marion's a treat.

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                                      Marion's Piazza
                                      8991 Kingsridge Dr, Dayton, OH 45458

                                      Dewey's Pizza
                                      7767 Kenwood Rd, Cincinnati, OH 45236

                                  2. re: Niki in Dayton

                                    Anyone who wants a fantastic Dayton style pizza in the tradition of Cassano's and Marion's really should try Ron's Pizza in Miamisburg. At one time, before they attempted to expand outside Dayton, Cassano's was excellent. Ron's was a Cassano's franchisee that left the chain and went independent because they wanted to use better ingredients than Cassano's was allowing.

                                    Cassano's was really good in the 60s and 70s. They seemed to go downhill when they expanded outside the area.

                                    Marion's can be darned good but you *have* to ask for it baked in the "old oven". Otherwise you get a crust like a Donato's.

                                    1. re: donw9876

                                      Amen to the "old oven", I always request this when I eat at Marion's. Dewey's and Flying Pizza also use old style ovens.

                                      What Chinese buffets have done to Chinese food, conveyer style pizza ovens have done to pizza.

                                      1. re: donw9876

                                        Wow, I haven't heard about the "old oven." This is true at all the Marion's locations, or just certain ones that have new ovens, or what?

                                        1. re: valereee

                                          I've tried this at the Shroyer/Patterson and Centerville Marion's. As far as I know you should ask at any store that you eat at. Basically the old oven produces the high heat and creates a crisp crust. The "not old oven" default baking method is a conveyor line and makes a mealy, white bottom.

                                          When you get your receipt, "Old oven" will even be printed on it. They should know what you're talking about.

                                          1. re: donw9876

                                            Heck, you should ask if they have old ovens at any pizza place you eat at, not just Marion's. Marion's at least give you a choice.

                                            I have requested this at the Marion's on N. Dixie Dr., the one in Beavercreek and as well as the Shroyer/Patterson store.

                                2. Everyone has already had really great suggestions. I'll agree that you have to try Skyline. In the Cincinnati area Skyline's are like Starbucks in the rest of the country. Outside SW Ohio you'll be lucky to find anyone who's heard of the stuff.

                                  If you find a local breakfast place odds are you'll find Goetta on the menu. Worth a try if its available. Its a mixture of ground meat and steel cut oats, sliced and cooked on the griddle.

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                                  1. re: angs9

                                    I really haven't seen Goetta at all in Dayton. At least not in the breakfast places I've gone to. You may be able to do the Ann Heller (local restaurant critic) thing and order it when it's not actually on the menu.
                                    Close to downtown for breakfast is the Brunch Club, which has a good selection for breakfast and also lunch. They close at 3, I believe. Same as the Golden Nugget, which is just a bit South of the Brunch Club. Both places get packed.

                                    1. re: angs9

                                      goetta is from the cincinnati german heritage. it's sliced loaf that's fried for breakfast. "men should not know how their laws and sausages are made." see if you can find Little Kings cream ale in the little green bottles. also from cincinnati.

                                      1. re: lil magill

                                        LOVE goetta!

                                        1. re: lil magill

                                          Haven't had a Little Kings since I turned 20.

                                      2. Just wanted to give a plug for Esther Price's a box of "Nut & Chews". They are by far our favorites!

                                        Also wanted to mention that southwestern Ohio is the home of DeKuypers' cordials, schnapps, and the like, so if you're into that sort of thing, the range is readily available here. And of course, it's big bourbon country around here and some good brands (sort of local but not exactly) are Woodford Reserve (near Lexington) and Jim Beam (Cincinnati ). And Angostura bitters (and the Pernod distillery just closed.) are made around here.

                                        I'm not sure if any beers are still brewed around here, maybe Sam Adams?

                                        1. So today I'm in Dayton. Lunch was nothing Special. we went to Uno's Downtown for a salad since it is right next door to where we are working. But tonight we went to Jay's and it was worth it. My colleague had the Bake Haddock which was topped with a garlicky crumb topping. It was a little bit overcooked (I'm sensitive to this) but he got a little tarter sauce which balanced the dryness. I had the Prix Fixe Menu with Soup, Plank smoked Salmon Which was one of the best pieces of salmon I've had, that went well with the root Veggies it was on top of and a fabulously tangy Key Lime pie for desert . The one Miss was the caramelized Pear and Roasted Cauliflower Brie Soup. It had some flavor of Cauliflower and brie but not of pear. The soup had a thick dairy skin mixed in which was like they were finishing the end of a pot, and it had a cold creamy center like they added heavy cream to finish filling the bowl and forgot to reheat and stir. I thought the Idea was excellent but by luck of the draw I had something that wasn't quite there.

                                          BTW I'm Guessing Salt on Bread (not Just Pizza) is a Dayton thing. The rolls At Jay's Were Doused in Salt which If you aren't expecting it, its a bit odd. but after the roll was craving something more like a Pretzel roll I've had @ some Bakeries.

                                          Also, I was wondering If Amber Rose might be worth it to check out for Lunch tomorrow. I was given it as a rec, but someone told me today that it "Wasn't worth the Schlep to that part of Town" But I am interested in the Menu, so what do you think?

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                                          Jay's Seafood Restaurant
                                          225 E 6th St, Dayton, OH 45402

                                          Amber Rose Restaurant
                                          1400 Valley St., Dayton, OH 45404

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                                          1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                            It's worth the schelp. It's not that far from downtown, and the turtle soup is great.

                                            1. re: Mattapoisett in LA

                                              I haven't been to Amber Rose in ages, but I've always enjoyed their food (Eastern European). If you are a big eater, try a cup of the turtle soup and then the Lithuanian sampler.

                                            2. I can't believe no one mentioned the KILLER BROWNIE! Sold at Dorothy Lane Market (one in Oakwood on Main isn't too far from you) it is my favorite thing to get when I go home. Brownie, caramel, chocolate, yum.

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                                              1. re: cm211200

                                                My family hails from N. of Dayton near Sidney and I grew up on Turtle Soup. Is their turtle soup spiced w/ allspice and horseradish? Turtle Soup is worth crossing state lines for. i had it in New Orleans years ago and it was a close approximation, but not as spiced as I prefer.

                                                1. re: aboyer

                                                  I believe that is indeed allspice I taste with it at the Amber Rose, but I can't recall any horseradish. I've never heard of Turtle Soup being popular in and around Logan County. is that something some of the eateries serve up there?
                                                  It's not in a restaurant, but the canned mock turtle soup made by Werthman or Woerther's or something like that is really good. If you can look past the can. You'd be able to season to your tastes, too.

                                                  1. re: Fibber McGee

                                                    It's Worthmore's Mock Turtle soup. I have to bring a bunch home to my mom in Philly every year. You should be able to find it in any Cincy/Dayton Kroger's.

                                                    1. re: JohnE O

                                                      it's so weird - my family totally ate this growing up in cincy (even the canned) and i had no idea it was local!

                                                      1. re: JohnE O

                                                        Worthmore's. Yes, that is it. And Kroger's is where I have purchased it. Boy, it's tasty.

                                                      2. re: Fibber McGee

                                                        I don't know about Logan County. But a little town (blink and miss) called Kettlersville has a bar and grill called the K Village Inn. It's the only place in town to eat. Anyway, I make a habit of going there for Turtle Soup when I'm visiting. There serve up some good pies and fried onion straws as well. It's worth a decent drive IMO. When I was a kid, there was a place over in Minster called the Town House, which was where I originally ate Turtle Soup. They have been closed for years though. It makes my mouth water talking about T Soup! I couldn't do canned though.

                                                        1. re: aboyer

                                                          I've driven through Kettlersville but never have really stopped. Thanks for the tip, this is what this site is about. Or it should be, at least.

                                                          1. re: Fibber McGee

                                                            Amen, Fibber! It's now on my radar, too....thanks!

                                                          2. re: aboyer

                                                            Three Cheers for the K-VILLE INN! I can' believe I just saw this. I'm a hardened NYC foodie-- and Turtle Soup at the K-Ville makes my mouth water. I love it so much I keep the restaurant's number in my cell phone here in Brooklyn, so I can think of the soup and dream. They also have good fried gizzards/mushrooms. This is definitely the place to eat in Shelby County.

                                                            1. re: trasteverina12

                                                              Another rec. That's cool. I travel from Dayton to the Detroit area once a month to visit family, so I'm always looking for places off of I-75. In the years I've been doing it, I've visited quite a few, but I'll have to add it to my list for sure.

                                                              1. re: Fibber McGee

                                                                T..12, I'm a little shocked that this humble little estab. has reached Brooklyn! Of course, I'm in Kansas City, which ain't exactly down the street. But, when I think of things that Foodies should try before they die, Turtle Soup at K Vill is one of them. My mom grew up just down the street from K Vill and my grandparents were once part owners of the restaurant. I don't really know anything about its present ownership or the recipes though. I just know that it's THE place to go eat when I'm visiting grandma in Anna. FWIW: they will sell quarts of the soup to you to go. I will get some and freeze individual servings to haul back to KC with me. Try their tenderloin sandwich. Hand breaded, the size of your head, and delicious w/ a bowl of soup.

                                                                Fibber, on the other side of I75 in Jackson Center, there's a place called Cafe Veranda that serves up some fine food also. It's more high end though. It's in a converted home on the main drag through town near the Airstream Manufacturing Plant(they offer tours). Their crab cakes are delicious and they are very nice folks. Check them out also.

                                                                1. re: aboyer

                                                                  I appreciate the rec for Jackson Center. I made another turtle soup discovery this weekend. At the Carthagena Cafe, located inside Niekamp's Farm and Flea Market on US 127 just South of Celina (it lists a St. Henry's address) they had Turtle Soup yesterday and it was excellent.

                                                                  1. re: Fibber McGee

                                                                    Very interesting about the soup!

                                                                    O.K. I just have to add this about turtle soup: The biggest canner of turtle soup in the country (in the '50s and 60's) was located right in Saint Henry, Ohio, The Beckman and Gast Co. in Mercer County. Sometime ago they dropped the soup from their lines though, and now can tomatoes and green beans. (Probably dropped because turtles were/are endangered in many areas of the country). I just read on Wiki that President Taft (from Cincinnati) had a special chef at the White House who prepared the soup.

                                                                    One more thing: when we lived in L.A. I ordered Turtle Soup for a first course at an important catered dinner party at our home and the caterer refused to prepare it (Peggy Dark at Kitchen for Exploring Foods) because of the endangered issues which I didn't know about at the time. (And she thought I was c-r-a-z-y for asking for it.) So Turtle soup definitely is something special around these parts. I think we had crab bisque. Boring!

                                                    2. Hey Matt

                                                      I just did a blog entry on Cinci chili if you're interested.

                                                      http://davwudsfoodcourt.blogspot.com/

                                                      DT

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                                                      1. re: Davwud

                                                        Gee, Davwud, I can't believe you did one of your first food blog entries on 'Cincinnati Chili' and you're from Ontario Canada!?! Makes me laugh a little that people outside of this region care anything at all about the chili here. Some people really love it, though.

                                                        I did note that my Cook's Illustrated Cookbook editors (can't remember which one) mentioned they came to Cincy to try the Chili and create a highly edited rendition of it for their cook book series!

                                                        At least you didn't come here to eat Gizzards! Love your blog, Davwud, and I look forward to more entries!

                                                        1. re: dumas

                                                          Thanks.

                                                          I had two more places to do but my memory card got screwed up and I lost the pictures.

                                                          DT

                                                          1. re: Davwud

                                                            curious where you got the statistic about the cheese consumption per capita. not arguing just curious as i would agree there is a crazy amount of cheese on cincy chili. which i happen to love but happen to eat sans cheese.
                                                            ;)

                                                            1. re: AMFM

                                                              The owner of the establishment told me.

                                                              He also said that their cheese is made especially for Skyline. It's aged to be just into the medium (or old, I forget) category. It's still pretty mild but qualifies.

                                                              DT

                                                              1. re: Davwud

                                                                Thanks. I am a native who lives in Virginia now and misses Skyline terribly but I'll agree it's its own thing! :) :) :)

                                                                1. re: Davwud

                                                                  So that's why I can't recreate a 5-way here in southern CA--the cheese is made for Skyline! I've tried every pre-shredded version and certainly shredded tons of it myself, but it's just not the same. Sigh...

                                                                  1. re: pine time

                                                                    I use really strong cheddar cheese. Not exactly like Skyline, but stands up to the spices well. Other hints: 1) Boil beef in beef broth for 30 minutes to start. This is essential. Age overnight in refrigerator, then skim off fat. 2) Allspice and clove are important spices.

                                                                    1. re: Jim M

                                                                      I use strong cheddar too. I find the Skyline stuff to mild.

                                                                      I don't use clove though.

                                                                      DT

                                                          2. re: Davwud

                                                            Nice blog entry. You reminded me of something I totally forgot, which is that Skyline has a pretty damn good hot sauce. Nice heat and good flavor.

                                                            1. re: JohnE O

                                                              Thanks

                                                              DT

                                                          3. My two favorite places to eat in Dayton are The Meadowlark and Brio. First Watch is fantastic for breadfast as is The Golden Nugget. There are a lot of nice restaurants down on The Green near Brio. Also, Thai 9 has amazing Thai food.

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                                                            The Golden Nugget
                                                            2198 Queen City Ave, Cincinnati, OH 45214

                                                            Thai 9
                                                            11 Brown St, Dayton, OH 45402

                                                            Golden Nugget
                                                            PO Box 80, Boelus, NE 68820

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                                                            1. re: KristieB

                                                              Although I do like them both, Brio and First Watch are chains. They're not limited to Dayton.
                                                              The Golden Nugget is on Dixie and Dorothy Lane in Kettering. While I am sure the one in Nebraska is fine, it is not the one KristieB is talking about. Places are being automatically linked, regardless of whether they're the right location or not. Golden Nugget has a big menu, excellent breakfasts and sandwiches and long lines waiting for a table.

                                                            2. If you like well prepared food (ie not overcooked, oversalted, etc) I wouldn't recommend the Der Dutchman. The only thing I ever ate and liked there were salads and a baked potato. The Pines is a great place to eat as long as UD doesn't have some big thing going on. I've always had to wait for a table, shoulder to shoulder crammed around the bar - but the steaks are yummy! Their Red White and Bleu salad is very good, too.

                                                              1. oops left this off....

                                                                Northeast of Dayton, in Yellow Springs is a little place called The Winds. The menu changes monthly and their food is great! Also in Fairborn is a little sushi/vietnamese place called Saya. Their salads and specialty rolls are fabulous - but does it rival LA sushi ?? probly not. The Wellington in Beavercreek is upscale and they have a great wine list.

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                                                                1. re: Leslierwood

                                                                  But I've never really had a good meal at the Wellington, have you? I've never thought the food was good enough to justify the prices. It was just so-so, IME.

                                                                2. Ok - if you get back to Dayton, try Tanks on Wayne Avenue. Great bar food: the Tankburger is 1/2 pound; also good wings, the fries covered with chili. It's also near Esther Price chocolates main store on Wane Avenue. I mail these to my family across the country and they always win the battle of the chocolates.
                                                                  The Pine Club on Brown St near UD is an institution, no reservations and no credit cards and has the best lamb chops: two double cut chops cooked perfectly.
                                                                  Coco's on Wayne Ave near downtown has a good menu: I love the Ahi tuna and wasabi mashed potatoes. The Winds in Yellow Springs has great food and ambiance, and a nice outdoor patio in season. Rue Dumaine has excellent food cooked by owner,chef Ann Kearney of New Orleans fame, but the setting in a suburban strip mall in Centerville is not appealing. Avoid all the chain restaurants out at The Greene shopping mall and support the local establishments.

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                                                                  Rue Dumaine
                                                                  Centerville, OH, Centerville, OH

                                                                  Pine Club
                                                                  1926 Brown St, Dayton, OH 45409

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                                                                  1. re: jeanne1

                                                                    Do you know when Coco's is moving, jeanne?

                                                                    Best tomato bisque ever.

                                                                    At least the Greene has unique and better chains that what makes up the rest of the area. They're wrongly singled out when it comes to chain attacks. And Pasha Grill is not a chain.

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                                                                    Pasha Grill
                                                                    72 Plum St, Dayton, OH 45440