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(Not about) Food words I'd like to never see again.

adamshoe Feb 25, 2009 07:24 PM

Maybe I'm grumpy tonight (or every night...), but there are are some words that I am so-o over.
The top of the list would be "Artisanal", closely followed by "Authentic". Next would be "Mixologist" (in relation to all the "artisanal" cocktail revolution going on...). Any words or phrases out there that particularly cheese you off? adam

  1. c oliver Feb 25, 2009 07:41 PM

    Adam, I'm so with you on "artisanal." I actually thought about that earlier today. If it is, then we know it. If it's not, then we know that also. In NoCal, there's so much wonderul cheese, it feels redundant I've been grumpy today also :)

    10 Replies
    1. re: c oliver
      janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 08:08 AM

      What would Artisanal be without the ANAL??

      1. re: janetms383
        Veggo Feb 26, 2009 08:30 AM

        LOL! You have changed what will be my pronunciation of that word forever.

        1. re: Veggo
          c oliver Feb 26, 2009 08:39 AM

          Ditto! I'll never see the word again with giving it that emphasis. Thanks, janet.

        2. re: janetms383
          Scargod Feb 26, 2009 08:41 AM

          Anal artist... usually not referring to food artists.

          1. re: Scargod
            c oliver Feb 26, 2009 08:47 AM

            or "art is anal." What would be oral? "artisoral" Much better

            1. re: c oliver
              Scargod Feb 26, 2009 09:06 AM

              Oral erectologist: an artisan who can give you a hard-on for their food. Someone who can make your tongue hang out when you get near their cooking.

              1. re: Scargod
                c oliver Feb 26, 2009 09:12 AM

                I know words are adding to dictionaries every year. What do you suppose our chances are ?

                1. re: c oliver
                  Scargod Feb 26, 2009 02:29 PM

                  Dunno... but I'm entering that one in the Washington Post's yearly contest for twisted word meanings.. Got that? This one is mine!

                  1. re: Scargod
                    c oliver Feb 26, 2009 02:39 PM

                    "Oral erectologist"??? Let us know if it makes the cut. I've already told a couple of people about it.

                    1. re: c oliver
                      goodhealthgourmet Feb 26, 2009 06:56 PM

                      sounds like a [more eloquent] derivation of Top Chef contestant Andrew's "culinary boner" ;)

      2. alixium Feb 25, 2009 07:47 PM

        a way overused phrase in the province of Quebec (and in France, too, I think) is "du terroir". du terroir does not mean anything. it sort of means the product has been produced in the region for centuries, or is just produced in the region, or is simply artisanal, or...
        everything comes from the "terroir" these days!
        does something similar exist in English...?

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          adamshoe Feb 25, 2009 07:50 PM

          Let me ( in my magnificent grumpaliciousness) add a few more. "Local", "Sustainable" and "Humane"- when talking about the treatment of soon-to-be food; as in animals. Let's face it omnivores-something has to die sometimes to feed our cravings, and there really is no "humane" way to kill something, whether it's been massaged and listening to classical music or not. Ok, rant over. Your thoughts? adam

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          1. re: adamshoe
            MakingSense Feb 25, 2009 10:32 PM

            You have my vote for your favorite three: local, sustainable, humane.
            Totally misused and goofy.
            Local, according to Whole Foods, is something like seven hours from their "facility." What the hell does that mean? Do they know how fast some of these trucks drive?
            Family farms that have been using pesticides and herbicides for generations still "sustain" their whole gig.
            And no matter how sweet and "humane" you are about it, the critter is going to be dead.

            Just get over it.
            We didn't fight out way to the top of the food chain for nothing.
            Let's remember to wish Charles Darwin a Happy 200th Birthday! Cheers!

            1. re: adamshoe
              jeanmarieok Feb 26, 2009 05:34 AM

              I agree on 'local' particularly - I bought 'local','organic' green beans over the summer at Kroger (they had a beautiful display of 'local' produce), only to find out that they were farmed in North Carolina, about 5 hours away. That was disappointing, to say they least.. I suspect 'local' on a restaurant menu means the same thing.

              My CSA provides vegetables for a number of restaurants in VA. I like it when a restaurant menu provides the name of the farm they get a particular item from. It makes the menu description longer (a pet peeve for some), but I like seeing 'from Joe's farm in Powhatan, VA'. To me, that's what 'local' is.

              1. re: jeanmarieok
                KTinNYC Feb 26, 2009 05:43 AM

                Your standards for local may be too strict for New York City. It's my understanding that their are 'local' farmers that drive 5 hours to sell at our green markets. I would consider them local because property values are so high it's hard to have a farm in the metro area.

                1. re: KTinNYC
                  jeanmarieok Feb 26, 2009 09:59 AM

                  That's interesting, and I never thought about it from a more urban perspective. Thanks!

                  1. re: KTinNYC
                    wb247 Mar 7, 2009 07:40 PM

                    I feel like a 40-50 mile radius still applies, no matter what. Either it's local or it isn't. Anything more than that is simply redifining a term to fit your personal needs and convince yourself you're supporting local farmers when in reality, what you're paying for property is killing off local farmers. Some places just can't get "local" produce. That's a trade-off on living in a heavily urbanized area. Sometimes, a garden on top of the building is the only way to get local produce.

                    1. re: wb247
                      Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 06:39 PM

                      A valid point, but there can be exceptions. Think of Hawai`i, for instance. A "local farmer" could be on another Island, which would certainly be beyond that mileage. On the Big Island, a restauranteur in the Kona-area, might procure produce from Hilo and be just outside that radius. In these particular cases, I think that the "intent" is present, if not the exact geographic details.

                      You point of urban metro-areas is good, but there are certainly many outlying areas, that must go just across a river to get product A, or B.

                      I'd not like to see a defining of exact distances be enforced. Rather, it should be the intent, and let's just hope that marketing gets thrown out with the bath water.

                      I think that giving the specific location for an ingredient is good enough. I'll do the geographic calculations.

                      I also do not mind a little bit of info on the producer, or procurer of the item. Dined recently at a restaurant, that changed its menu almost hourly, if necessary. They kept the diner updated on the boat, or fisherman, who caught, say the ahi, plus listed the method. To me, it was a nice touch. To others, it was probably more than they ever wished to know. Do you care who caught the ahi that you're about to order, and how he/she caught it? Many probably do not care to know, and would find the restaurant's printing and re-printing of their menu overkill.

                      If the micro-greens are from Maui and I'm on O`ahu, I still consider them "local," though many would likely not.

                      Just some thoughts,


                      1. re: Bill Hunt
                        wb247 Mar 10, 2009 11:27 PM

                        I'm not so sure I entirely agree. Something grown on a different island could be better classified. Such as "regionally grown," or "independently grown." I wouldn't doubt such an ingredient's quality or freshness, but it isn't local.

                        That said, I think it would be really great if lots of restaurants would share their producers and have a serving staff that takes pride in the ingredients used in the kitchen, but that's an entirely different issue! Even if the food may not actually be any better, I find it to be so much more satisfying if I think I'm helping to support a small, independent producer. It may be a little extra expense and a little extra effort, which isn't easy in an economic down-time, but knowing my food isn't coming from some monstrous, uncaring, impersonal corporate factory production facility is very comforting.

                        1. re: wb247
                          Das Ubergeek Mar 11, 2009 08:40 AM

                          You've clearly never been to Hawai'i then, because anything island-grown is considered local. On Hawai'i, though, you'll normally see "Hawai'i grown" and much more use, even in markets, of the actual location. ("Puna papayas", "Kabocha from Kalapana", "Waimea beef", "Kealakekua coffee" as opposed to just generic "Kona").

                          1. re: Das Ubergeek
                            wb247 Mar 11, 2009 12:42 PM

                            I don't doubt that. What I'm saying, is that the term "local" is tossed around too loosely.

                      2. re: wb247
                        c oliver Nov 15, 2009 07:38 PM

                        I live at 6400' elevation. We basically have NO commercial produce sales. Any gardening that's done here is for personal consumption. We have farmers market but the food is brought in from approx. 100 miles away. That's as "local" as we get. And it counts IMO. I think it's best not to generalize or categorize things. Some of us have more limited choices than others.
                        PS: If I tried to garden on my roof, it can get snow any month along with freezing temps.

                    2. re: jeanmarieok
                      irishnyc Feb 26, 2009 07:10 PM

                      "Local" is generally considered anything within about 200 miles or a 5-6 hour drive. I've also seen it loosely interpreted as anything within a one day drive.

                    3. re: adamshoe
                      queencru Feb 26, 2009 06:16 AM

                      Agreed about local. Let's face it, for most places in the US, local in the true sense is not realistic for most of the year. Many places are too cold, others are too hot, others are too dry. I can see it making sense for a store to sell Florida citrus in Florida instead of citrus from elsewhere, but calling something local when it is 4 states away is ridiculous.

                      1. re: adamshoe
                        Bill Hunt Feb 26, 2009 03:01 PM

                        Maybe serving only "free-range" chickens, that have all died of "natural causes?"

                        I am squarely with you on "authentic," but have fewer problems with some of the others. Maybe I am NOT grumpy enough today...

                        Did get a chuckle from JanetMS383's comment though. Could be that it cheered me up too much.


                        1. re: Bill Hunt
                          cayjohan Feb 26, 2009 05:02 PM

                          I would loooove a chicken that died of very-near-to "natural causes," i.e. an old stewing hen. Grew up with them, have missed them ever since. It's extremely difficult and weirdly expensive to find an elderly hen for stewing. Sooo sick of 3 pounders.

                          What does "natural causes" mean, anyway?


                          1. re: cayjohan
                            GodfatherofLunch Feb 26, 2009 05:06 PM

                            Just sneak up on the chicken and yell BOO!!!

                            1. re: cayjohan
                              GodfatherofLunch Feb 26, 2009 05:22 PM

                              I speak no french, but I am curious do these same companions need help with terms like carbonara, empanada, or Pho?
                              The term Nage would help me to know the sauce will be a light stock, probably vegetable based as opposed to a heavy sauce.
                              Is it possible that you friends are just not very bright?

                              1. re: GodfatherofLunch
                                cayjohan Feb 26, 2009 08:47 PM

                                GoL: huh? Not certain of the reply? Cay

                                1. re: cayjohan
                                  GodfatherofLunch Feb 27, 2009 06:34 AM

                                  Sorry my mistake, I was trying to reply to a post from Das Ubergeek . he said
                                  "Just call it a tasting menu. The late Bistro K had French words sprinkled apparently at random through its menu, which drove me insane. I know Laurent Quenioux is French, but either write your menu in translation or just hire a menu writer to put it all in English for you. It's one thing to be precise -- a noisette is smaller than a medallion (or, if you like, a médaillon) but honestly, why do you need to call a sauce a "nage"? I speak French -- I have done so since I was 9 months old -- and so I had no real problem making sense of the menu, but it really kills the pleasure of dining out when my companions have to ask me what to expect on their plate because it's half in French." Equally irritating are the places (which are dwindling in number, thank Heaven) that don't translate the menu at all, so it's like this OMG SEKRIT CLUB where you have to know what sole Véronique or poussin bonne femme are."
                                  I answered "- " re: Das Ubergeek - I speak no french, but I am curious do these same companions need help with terms like carbonara, empanada, or Pho?
                                  The term Nage would help me to know the sauce will be a light stock, probably vegetable based as opposed to a heavy sauce. Is it possible that you friends are just not very bright?""

                                  1. re: GodfatherofLunch
                                    Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 06:47 PM

                                    It happens, especially in longer threads, or in similar threads. I often find myself replying in thread A, when I thought I was in thread B. I even scratch my head about those. I can imagine how others feel.


                              2. re: cayjohan
                                paulj Mar 4, 2009 05:15 PM

                                As a kid I saw a number of chickens being killed. I have a clear idea of what the phrase 'run around like a chicken with its head cut off' means. Later on, at 'rural living camp' we got to practice killing and cleaning chickens - on a flock of retired layers. The quickest way for dispatching a bird was to place its neck between a broomstick and the ground, grab the legs, and - I'll leave the rest to your imagination!

                                1. re: paulj
                                  cdnexpat Mar 8, 2009 10:09 AM

                                  I am traumatized. My imagination is vivid.

                                  I think I'm going back to being vegan... And maybe believing in Santa again.


                                  1. re: cdnexpat
                                    coll Mar 8, 2009 11:49 AM

                                    Yes, it's so much better in the factory, just a quick slice with a knife, and they can't run around because they're hanging upside down by the legs. When they start running around spurting blood on the ceiling is the problem.

                                    Never stopped me from enjoying chicken meat myself, I guess I have a sadistic streak.

                                    1. re: coll
                                      paulj Mar 8, 2009 12:10 PM

                                      There was a bit of stink last November, when the Gov. of Alaska gave a post-election interview on a turkey farm, while the farmer used such a machine in the background.

                                      1. re: paulj
                                        Glencora Mar 8, 2009 12:37 PM

                                        I saw that video. It was funny in an awful way to see her smiling and chatting while the turkey's legs were waving in the air behind her as the guy tried to stuff its head into the machine.

                                        1. re: Glencora
                                          cdnexpat Mar 8, 2009 09:06 PM

                                          I remember that! Hilarious.

                                          I guess I have a sadistic streak, too.

                                  2. re: paulj
                                    lergnom Mar 10, 2009 02:46 PM

                                    I hated the chicken killing times and it was only for laughs that they'd let ones run around after their heads were cut off. The birds would get contaminated with manure or other unknown stuff lying around.

                                    It was much easier to pack animals in a van or truck and haul them to the meat packing plant where they'd "process" them. And I mean easier psychologically.

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                              bob96 Feb 25, 2009 08:00 PM

                              Even though I suspect the term will die out because the pure practice itself is, well, mostly unsustainable on a large scale, I find "locavore" to be a particularly annoying badge of smug self-congratulation. On the other hand, as much as I get tired of such phrases as "pan seared" or "house [cured] made", they're largely harmless and mostly transparent marketing gimmicks.

                              1. Passadumkeg Feb 26, 2009 06:10 AM

                                Blackened anything. Upscale chains ( a contradiction in terms?). Slyders other than White Castle. Mexican restaurants where no one speaks Spanish. "Fall off the bone" BBQ ribs.
                                Feeling old and grumpy

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                                1. re: Passadumkeg
                                  janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 06:23 PM

                                  I used to go to a Japanese restaurant were the "sushi chef" never spoke to the customers. I thought he was authentic Japanese until I heard the cashier speak to him in Spanish.

                                  1. re: janetms383
                                    adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 06:26 PM

                                    Maybe the chef was a "fusion" of Japanese and Latino ;) adam

                                    1. re: adamshoe
                                      janetms383 Feb 27, 2009 05:28 AM

                                      Well I live in So Calif an I think it was regular Mexican Spanish!

                                    2. re: janetms383
                                      toodie jane Feb 26, 2009 08:11 PM

                                      my local chef is from a small town outside Tokyo, but he speaks kitchen (and sports?) Spanish very well with his crew. They speak a sort of Japanese/Spanish patois as well.

                                      1. re: janetms383
                                        Atahualpa Feb 26, 2009 09:20 PM

                                        There is also a very large Japanese-Peruvian community. Many of them have subsequently re-emigrated to North America.

                                        1. re: janetms383
                                          Sam Fujisaka Feb 27, 2009 08:00 AM

                                          Come to my house for the same effect.

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                                        Cachetes Feb 26, 2009 06:16 AM

                                        I'm going to put my vote in for "cloying". Seems to be used more now, to no great advantage. I groan everytime I see it.

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                                          beevod Feb 26, 2009 06:24 AM

                                          "Cheese you off." Jarlsberg? Gouda?

                                          1. y
                                            ypman Feb 26, 2009 07:39 AM

                                            Fusion. When I see that it usually just means I am going to get a mix of things that should never have been fused in the first place.

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                                            1. re: ypman
                                              adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 07:50 AM

                                              And it's corollary: Deconstructed. I'm waiting to see a menu with "reconstructed" items on it.... adam

                                              1. re: adamshoe
                                                Cachetes Feb 26, 2009 07:53 AM

                                                Shouldn't that simply be fission cooking?

                                                1. re: Cachetes
                                                  c oliver Feb 26, 2009 07:58 AM


                                                2. re: adamshoe
                                                  Bill Hunt Feb 26, 2009 03:04 PM

                                                  I usually do that on my plate, when the "deconstructed" version of X arrives. Drives the chefs simply mad!


                                                3. re: ypman
                                                  kattyeyes Feb 26, 2009 10:08 AM

                                                  Or how about use of "fusion" when nothing is even "fused"...we have a local "fusion" restaurant that serves hibachi, Chinese, Thai and sushi. The only thing "fused" is that it's all offered on the same menu...in its separate respective spots. HA HA!

                                                  Also wish "unctuous" would go away as an adjective in restaurant reviews about dishes that are supposed to be *favorable*...sorry, "fatty, oily" or "smooth and greasy in texture or appearance" aren't generally things I'd like to have a bite of.

                                                  1. re: kattyeyes
                                                    c oliver Feb 26, 2009 10:13 AM

                                                    Hi, k. But I know what they're trying to say with "unctuous." Is there a better word for those "fatty and oily" short ribs?

                                                    1. re: c oliver
                                                      kattyeyes Feb 26, 2009 10:16 AM

                                                      Hey there. I know what they mean, too, but there has to be a better word than "unctuous"...let's think of one. Same for wine...I'd say something is "buttery" over "unctuous" any day of the week re wine. I guess because I like buttery chards and don't like to think of myself drinking an oil slick! ;)

                                                      1. re: kattyeyes
                                                        Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 10:44 AM

                                                        People use "unctuous" when they mean something is deeply flavoured. It drives me insane, because all I can think of is "extreme unction", otherwise known as the Last Rites.

                                                        1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                          kattyeyes Feb 26, 2009 10:47 AM

                                                          There you go. "Deeply flavoured" works for me, but I didn't know "extreme unction" is aka the Last Rites! That makes "unctuous" even less appetizing and more annoying!

                                                          1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                            c oliver Feb 26, 2009 10:50 AM

                                                            I am holding my sides laughing. I DO know about Extreme Unction but had never had that thought. Now I always will.

                                                            1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                              toodie jane Feb 26, 2009 08:13 PM

                                                              h-m-m-m. I think 'unctous' when thinking of both the flavor and texture--the two go together here--of cartilage and collegen in a slow-cooked pork shoulder. Have I been using it incorrectly?

                                                              1. re: toodie jane
                                                                Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 09:08 PM

                                                                No, you're right because it is kind of oily... it just sounds unappetizing to me.

                                                                1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                  Haiuwi Feb 27, 2009 02:20 AM

                                                                  Unctuous is derogatory.

                                                                  "3: full of unction ; especially : revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, and false earnestness or spirituality"

                                                                  " 1 not being or expressing what one appears to be or express<an unctuous effort to appear religious to the voters>— see insincere 2 overly or insincerely flattering<an unctuous appraisal of the musical talent shown by the bossʼs daughter>— see fulsome "

                                                                  It does mean oily, as in a vile, slick salesman.

                                                                  I cannot see how this could possibly translate into "deeply or strongly flavored". The people using it thusly clearly have no idea what the word really means. I want nothing to do with anything unctuous. I am immediately repelled by things described as unctuous.

                                                                  1. re: Haiuwi
                                                                    toodie jane Feb 27, 2009 10:42 AM

                                                                    1 a: fatty , oily b: smooth and greasy in texture or appearance
                                                                    2: plastic <fine unctuous clay>
                                                                    3: full of unction ; especially : revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, and false earnestness or spirituality

                                                                    from Medeivil Latin, unctus, to annoint

                                                                    so it appears it can apply both to a nasty character out of Babbit or the pieces of cartilage that my husband passes to me from his plate because he knows I like them and he doesn't.

                                                                    M-m-m-m I think I'll make pot roast today, or maybe chile verde.

                                                          2. re: c oliver
                                                            Bill Hunt Feb 26, 2009 03:06 PM

                                                            I'd go with "ten napkins," and let the reader infere what they wish. "Unctuous" never bothered me, until now. Maybe I'll add it to my list?


                                                            1. re: c oliver
                                                              haggisdragon Mar 1, 2009 02:14 PM

                                                              how about "heart stopping"

                                                              1. re: haggisdragon
                                                                Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 06:53 PM

                                                                Were I to listen to my cardiologist, that might apply to my love for foie gras - or, it might not.

                                                                With the number of health concerns, were I a menu copywriter, I'd steer clear of "heart stopping." Can you say, "Heimlich Maneuver?"


                                                            2. re: kattyeyes
                                                              Haiuwi Feb 27, 2009 02:06 AM

                                                              Seems like that restaurant is confusing fusion with eclectic. I guess fusion brings to mind electricity and energy, and eclectic brings to mind loners, Alzheimers patients, and eccentrics.

                                                              Unctuous just makes me think something is obnoxiously awful.

                                                              1. re: kattyeyes
                                                                Scargod Feb 27, 2009 04:49 PM

                                                                He was found unctuous on the floor. Obviously overdosed on raw pork belly.

                                                            3. Scargod Feb 26, 2009 08:00 AM

                                                              Crispier ~ Crispiest. My friend Sallie, a Professor of English, would throw a fit! If it's "crisp" that all there is! 200% crisp? 200, 300%...in relation to what? Oh, geez, I've gone off on a tangent. Anyway, I'm 500% certain crisp is all there should be.
                                                              "Cheese you off" bugs me. Can't you just say pisses? I know I'm grumpy!

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                                                              1. re: Scargod
                                                                adamshoe Feb 27, 2009 04:07 PM

                                                                I was gonna say "piss" you off, but thought the mods might come after me. Besides, cheese fits in with the whole "Foodie" (hee-hee!) theme. adam

                                                                1. re: Scargod
                                                                  small h Feb 28, 2009 01:15 PM

                                                                  I can't stand recipes that instruct you to cook, say, asparagus until it's "crisp-tender." That's like cooking something until it's "hot-cold."

                                                                  1. re: small h
                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Feb 28, 2009 03:21 PM

                                                                    crisp-tender makes perfect sense to me...i've always taken that to imply that it's tender, but still has a little snap or "tooth" to it (i.e. it's not over-cooked to the point where it gets mushy).

                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                      small h Feb 28, 2009 04:15 PM

                                                                      I understand what the words mean; I just think it it's a clumsy, imprecise way to get the point across.

                                                                      "Steam the asparagus, being careful not to overcook it."
                                                                      "Steam the asparagus until just cooked through."
                                                                      "Steam the asparagus for a minute or two."

                                                                      Hell, use al dente if you feel like it.

                                                                      1. re: small h
                                                                        alkapal Mar 1, 2009 04:44 AM

                                                                        small h, the alternatives (?) you present -- if they are such -- are in fact *less* precise than crisp-tender, or tender-crisp.

                                                                        1. re: alkapal
                                                                          Scargod Mar 1, 2009 05:44 AM

                                                                          I disagree. Seems too much like an oxymoron. Perhaps it's just me: moronsnail.
                                                                          Tender implies cooked, but is completely ambiguous. One with good teeth and a strong jaw might think just waving anything raw over steam (to sanitize), is good. How many have disagreed over whether a steak was tender or not?
                                                                          Crisp implies crunchiness, brittleness and even noise. How can you find that fine line where asparagus is crunchy, yet tender? I think once you have snapped off the tough end you have found it. Cooking is superfluous.

                                                                          Al dente has no crisp in it, just firm bite. No crisp-tender for my pasta, thank you!

                                                                          1. re: alkapal
                                                                            small h Mar 1, 2009 05:55 AM

                                                                            Only if you think "crisp" and "tender" are somehow quantifiable. I don't. I also think they're close enough to being opposites that they shouldn't be linked together, because one cancels out the other.

                                                                            Anyway, if you draw your eyes upward to the OP, you'll see that the topic is "Food words I'd like to never see again." I would like to never see those words used in that way again. That's my opinion. You can agree with me or disagree with me, but you won't have much luck proving me "wrong," which is what it seems like you're trying to do.

                                                                            1. re: small h
                                                                              Scargod Mar 1, 2009 05:58 AM

                                                                              Touche! Touche! Or, should I say touchy, touchy?

                                                                              1. re: Scargod
                                                                                small h Mar 1, 2009 06:45 AM

                                                                                <Touche! Touche! Or, should I say touchy, touchy?>

                                                                                Both are correct. (I don't do emoticons, but you can mentally insert one here.)

                                                                  2. janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 08:07 AM

                                                                    LOL I guess we've all got our peeves! Mine is: delish

                                                                    The word is delicious folk, D E L I C I O U S!!!

                                                                    How much harder is that to type??

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                                                                    1. re: janetms383
                                                                      barndog Feb 28, 2009 08:40 AM

                                                                      Thank you!
                                                                      Ressie, resto.....type the whole damn word out, people!
                                                                      You make a reservation at a restaurant.
                                                                      Makes me apoplectic.

                                                                      1. re: barndog
                                                                        alkapal Mar 1, 2009 04:45 AM

                                                                        then you must be heading for a big heart attack by reading chowhound!

                                                                        1. re: alkapal
                                                                          barndog Mar 1, 2009 07:42 AM

                                                                          I keep my medication and a portable defib kit near the computer ;)

                                                                          1. re: barndog
                                                                            therealdoctorlew Mar 1, 2009 10:22 AM

                                                                            Defibrillator, eh? Too much cholesterol in your arteries. And I hate carbs. Say Carbohydrates!

                                                                        2. re: barndog
                                                                          Scargod Mar 1, 2009 05:46 AM

                                                                          Yea, what alkapal said... I hope you haven't (and won't), read my OP about acronyms and abbreviations!

                                                                          1. re: barndog
                                                                            Candy Mar 8, 2009 01:31 PM

                                                                            Can we add Eatery to that? I hate that term.

                                                                            1. re: Candy
                                                                              Das Ubergeek Mar 8, 2009 07:34 PM

                                                                              Funny story -- I was in a mid-sized city in Quebec many years ago. Sherbrooke was really kind of an island of English in a sea of French (it's since, long since, changed), but the rules were you had to have your signs in French.

                                                                              There was a place called somebody's Eatery -- maybe Jack's Eatery? So they translated it and decided that "mangerie" was an eatery. Except there's really no such word in French, so the sign maker corrected the grammar and the place was "Jack Menagerie".

                                                                        3. Gio Feb 26, 2009 08:10 AM

                                                                          Well, I'm not particularly grumpy today but I really wouldn't care if I never saw the word, "Foam," on a menu again.

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                                                                          1. re: Gio
                                                                            HotMelly Feb 26, 2009 08:29 AM

                                                                            Usually quoted by a person we all know and love:

                                                                            Good to go

                                                                            1. re: HotMelly
                                                                              janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 08:48 AM

                                                                              and don't forget "sammich"

                                                                              1. re: janetms383
                                                                                danhole Feb 26, 2009 09:27 AM

                                                                                janet - shame, shame. It's "sammie" not sammich.

                                                                                1. re: danhole
                                                                                  billieboy Feb 26, 2009 09:37 AM

                                                                                  Yep Janet, gotta lern to uz more goodder English :-)

                                                                                  1. re: billieboy
                                                                                    RGC1982 Mar 7, 2009 06:50 PM

                                                                                    Have you seen her dog food commercial? NUTRISH???? Yuk. I really hate everything that I hear her say.

                                                                                  2. re: danhole
                                                                                    janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 09:44 AM

                                                                                    mea culpa!! It is "sammie" and it still annoys the h*ll outta me!!

                                                                                    1. re: janetms383
                                                                                      danhole Feb 26, 2009 10:46 AM

                                                                                      Annoys me but the one that gets me the most is the "let's let them hang out in the hot tub." Yeah . . . right! That is really more gooder english, for those of us that don't know what boil means!

                                                                                  3. re: janetms383
                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Feb 26, 2009 07:00 PM

                                                                                    and "stoup"


                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                      adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 07:23 PM

                                                                                      I shudder to ask... What is a "stoup"? Is it a Rachael thing? Is it pronounced "stowp" or "stoop" (as in stoopid) ? adam

                                                                                      1. re: adamshoe
                                                                                        kattyeyes Feb 26, 2009 07:39 PM

                                                                                        You guessed it, guy--it's a Rachael thing--pronounced "stoop" as in cross between stew and soup. Makes you wanna make up your own silly combo words, I know! ;)

                                                                                        1. re: kattyeyes
                                                                                          adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 08:08 PM

                                                                                          Ya' mean like my "borkey" meatballs? Beef, pork, turkey. Winking and wincing at the same time...adam
                                                                                          PS katty,the combo words could be a whole, fun new thread ; )

                                                                                          1. re: adamshoe
                                                                                            kattyeyes Feb 26, 2009 08:13 PM

                                                                                            Now I just might have to mix that up so I can be obnoxious and use "borkey" to describe my next batch of meatballs. ;) I think the Swedish Chef from the Muppets might have made them. HA HA! This thread has been a blast. I'll see you over on "combo words" when you start it. Reminds me of that awful "Nicety" song from the late 80s (some people say I'm nice, some people say I'm nasty...if you really wanna know just ask me...then I'll say I'm nicety." UGH. Have a good night, buddy.

                                                                                            1. re: adamshoe
                                                                                              Atahualpa Feb 26, 2009 09:24 PM

                                                                                              Combo Words. Really? What is wrong with the term portmanteau?

                                                                                              1. re: Atahualpa
                                                                                                adamshoe Feb 27, 2009 04:08 PM

                                                                                                Isn't that a suitcase? ;) adam

                                                                                            2. re: kattyeyes
                                                                                              LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:02 AM

                                                                                              As much as I hate to admit it, it's not a Rachael thing (although she's obviously made it poopular). My mother used to call it stoop as well when it was a very thick soup, like beef-barley-vegetable soup.

                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                Passadumkeg Feb 28, 2009 05:23 AM

                                                                                                In Jersey/NewYorkese, stoop is also the front steps. Old Dutch colonial work. Sittin' on the stoop.

                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg
                                                                                                  LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:25 AM

                                                                                                  YES! I forgot about sitting on the front stoop of the house. :-)

                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet Feb 28, 2009 06:23 AM

                                                                                                    you're all missing the differentiating factor - the spelling.

                                                                                                    stoop - small porch or steps at front entrance of house; OR to crouch/bend over at the waist
                                                                                                    stoup - word to describe a food that's an amalgamation of a soup & a stew

                                                                                                    but here's the kicker: i just did a Google search out of curiosity, and apparently a "stoup" is also an archaic drinking vessel or basin for holy water! there's nothing holy about any of the recipes i've seen her make...

                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                      LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 06:25 AM

                                                                                                      You're right - I did screw up on the spelling as well, ghg. Mom did spell it "stoup." And your last sentence is SO true! LOL

                                                                                                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                        greygarious Feb 28, 2009 06:34 AM

                                                                                                        Perhaps what she's making is "stewp".....as in "stewpid" '-)

                                                                                                  2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                    kattyeyes Feb 28, 2009 05:26 AM

                                                                                                    LindaWhit, "stoop" attributable to your mom is more than OK. I must admit I got a kick out of your typo on "popular" above. On this board, seems if it's attributed to RR, "poopular" is much more fitting. ;)

                                                                                                    1. re: kattyeyes
                                                                                                      LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:31 AM

                                                                                                      It wasn't a typo. It's a Lucyism, remember?

                                                                                                      While trying yet another take for the commercial for Vitameatavegemin (with 23% alcohol), she says: "Lucy: (drunk) Well, I'm your Vitavatameatymac girl. Are you tired, rundown, listless? Do you pop at parties? Are you unpoopular? (pauses) Well, are you?"

                                                                                                      I love the word. :-)

                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                        kattyeyes Feb 28, 2009 05:35 AM

                                                                                                        HA HA HA, that's perfect. I do remember Vitameatavegemin, but not the "unpoopular" part. Love it! :)

                                                                                                  3. re: kattyeyes
                                                                                                    Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 07:01 PM

                                                                                                    Thank you for the details. I would have assumed that one was referring to the little porches, kind of steps with a landing, where folk of days gone by, might sit and watch the evening arrive, i.e. a stoop. Don't see those as much nowadays, and few have anyone sitting on them.

                                                                                                    I guess that I am missing a bunch by not watching Ms. Ray.


                                                                                                  4. re: adamshoe
                                                                                                    janetms383 Feb 27, 2009 05:29 AM

                                                                                                    Quite honestly, I have to change the channel when she come on!

                                                                                                  5. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                    ribeye621 Nov 16, 2010 01:41 PM

                                                                                                    Little late for the thread but speaking of "ugh," I just saw something on the Food Network web site and scratched my head, but then I realized it was an RR-ism.

                                                                                                    It was a corn "choup" (chowder/soup). I'm not kidding. I think that's even more annoying than stoup.

                                                                                                    1. re: ribeye621
                                                                                                      alkapal Feb 18, 2011 06:38 AM

                                                                                                      hey..."choup" rhymes with "croup"! but maybe she didn't think of that....

                                                                                                      why was it both a chowder and a soup, if you know -- and not one or the other?

                                                                                                      1. re: alkapal
                                                                                                        greygarious Feb 19, 2011 02:28 PM

                                                                                                        All chowders are soups - it's just a word for a chunky soup (comes from the same French root as cauldron) so there's no reason to make up another word. It's like saying strieved rather than strained or sieved.

                                                                                                2. re: HotMelly
                                                                                                  KevinB Feb 26, 2009 10:53 AM

                                                                                                  EVOO - so agree. What's wrong with saying "olive oil"?!

                                                                                                  1. re: KevinB
                                                                                                    c oliver Feb 26, 2009 10:55 AM

                                                                                                    Yes! And don't we all use extra virgin anyway so why differentiate?

                                                                                                    Thanks for getting/being grumpy, Adam. Such fun :)

                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver
                                                                                                      adamshoe Feb 27, 2009 04:13 PM

                                                                                                      Gotta admit I'm guilty of using EVOO when typing, (because I'm a hunter-pecker after all these years...) but i would never SAY EVOO when speaking. BTW (sorry) some recipes actually call for just plain ol' OO, esp, when sauteeing or making mayo. etc. Can't get over the response to this topic...more words and phrases, please. adam

                                                                                                    2. re: KevinB
                                                                                                      janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 11:00 AM

                                                                                                      Ming Tsai loves to say S&P and GB&D but then follows the acronym with the explanation. "S&P (salt & pepper)" "GB&D (golden, brown & delicious)" so why bother with the acronym in the first place!

                                                                                                      1. re: janetms383
                                                                                                        c oliver Feb 26, 2009 11:09 AM

                                                                                                        No. Sigh :)

                                                                                                        1. re: janetms383
                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet Feb 26, 2009 07:01 PM

                                                                                                          RR does the same thing - "EVOO, Extra Virgin Olive Oil."

                                                                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                            greygarious Feb 27, 2009 04:54 PM

                                                                                                            I'd like to blame Ms. Ray for EVOO, but there was a Boston restaurant by that name that, I believe, preceded her rise to fame.

                                                                                                            As for my pet peeves: AWESOME and AMAZING. They are nonspecific and hackneyed.

                                                                                                            1. re: greygarious
                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Feb 27, 2009 05:12 PM

                                                                                                              i don't have a problem with the acronym...i take issue with the fact that every time she says it, she then goes ahead and says the full name of the product anyway. it's never just "EVOO" it's always "EVOO, extra virgin olive oil." no point bothering with an acronym if you're just going to explain what it stands for every time you use it.

                                                                                                              1. re: greygarious
                                                                                                                jmckee Mar 4, 2009 08:29 AM

                                                                                                                There's an old Doonesbury strip, in which one character is having an imagined conversation with a friend who has passed away.

                                                                                                                "What's God like?"

                                                                                                                "Remember what 'awesome' meant before it was applied to pizza? That's Him."

                                                                                                            2. re: janetms383
                                                                                                              smtucker Feb 27, 2009 08:13 PM

                                                                                                              he also says "guys" alot... like "guys remember to watch the temperature" a lot. It is like a facial tick. Only annoys me with him. But, I watch him anyway.

                                                                                                              1. re: smtucker
                                                                                                                janetms383 Feb 28, 2009 10:22 PM

                                                                                                                yeah, the "guys" bothers me too (and I still watch him)

                                                                                                                1. re: janetms383
                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Mar 1, 2009 11:25 AM

                                                                                                                  Tyler Florence says "guys" a lot too...but i still watch him as well. i'll take that from either one of them over RR's "kids" any day.

                                                                                                      2. Marge Feb 26, 2009 08:49 AM

                                                                                                        Lollipops referring to anything other than hard candy on a stick.
                                                                                                        Nibbles--for me, it conjures up images of a rat gnawing on whatever.
                                                                                                        As someone else said, deconstructed.

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                                                                                                        1. re: Marge
                                                                                                          Kagey Feb 28, 2009 06:52 AM

                                                                                                          Here in England, they call popsicles lollipops.

                                                                                                          1. re: Kagey
                                                                                                            Marge Feb 28, 2009 06:59 AM

                                                                                                            Ok, I'll revise to lollipops referring to anything savory, i.e. lamb lollipops, chicken lollipops...

                                                                                                            1. re: Marge
                                                                                                              Kagey Mar 7, 2009 02:15 AM

                                                                                                              Wow that is weird. I've never heard that!

                                                                                                              1. re: Kagey
                                                                                                                Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                In much of the US, a lollipop is a candy on a stick. The shape is often a disk. Imagine, say a lamp chop that has been cut and trimmed to resemble a disk on a stick.

                                                                                                                Most of the references to lollipop (outside of confectionary), that I have seen have been for the trimming of the item, rather than pure fabrication, though there is some of that too.


                                                                                                        2. billieboy Feb 26, 2009 09:03 AM

                                                                                                          I agree with most of the posts. I am so tired of pretentiousness.
                                                                                                          Another one I love is "Oven Baked" Gee what a concept. I usually bake in a frying pan on top of the stove.

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                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet Feb 26, 2009 07:02 PM

                                                                                                            billieboy, this is my favorite. thanks for the laugh :)

                                                                                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                              adamshoe Feb 28, 2009 04:40 PM

                                                                                                              One of the restos (sorry....) I worked for had my favorite typo ever- "over roasted chicken w/ butter milk mashed potatoes and steamed vegetables" adam

                                                                                                          2. lynnlato Feb 26, 2009 09:10 AM

                                                                                                            "Sublime" - overused by every food critic. UGGGGH!

                                                                                                            I always got a kick out of the word "fancy", as in "fancy restaurant" or "fancy food".

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                                                                                                            1. re: lynnlato
                                                                                                              janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 09:45 AM

                                                                                                              hey my Gammy likes to go to Fancy Restaurants in her Sunday dress and good hat!

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                                                                                                                lynnlato Feb 26, 2009 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                Love it - HA!

                                                                                                                Kattyeyes, yes! "classy" is another one of those words.

                                                                                                              2. re: lynnlato
                                                                                                                kattyeyes Feb 26, 2009 10:10 AM

                                                                                                                "Fancy" is right up there with "classy"--I think they're words of the same era. ;)

                                                                                                              3. jmckee Feb 26, 2009 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                Gourmet -- when applied to food, eater, cook, or especially kitchen.

                                                                                                                "Melts in your mouth." Virtually meaningless in the cases in which it's used. Ice cream? Yeah. Steak? Not so much.

                                                                                                                "Sticks to your ribs." No explanation. Idiosyncratic. Drives me over the edge.

                                                                                                                "Homemade" in a restaurant. What, the chef lives next door and runs it over to the restaurant as soon as it's done?

                                                                                                                "On a bed of". Calvin Trillin says his family used to refer to "sleepytime" restaurants -- where every thing is served on a bed of something else.

                                                                                                                "Low Carb" or "No carb" on things that have never had carbs in the first place.

                                                                                                                "Atkins." 'nuff said.

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                                                                                                                1. re: jmckee
                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet Feb 26, 2009 07:04 PM

                                                                                                                  ""Low Carb" or "No carb" on things that have never had carbs in the first place."
                                                                                                                  i once saw plain bottled water at Starbucks that said "fat free" on the label.

                                                                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                                    sfumato Feb 26, 2009 08:35 PM

                                                                                                                    That's like the "gluten-free" label on stuff that IS naturally gluten-free. Yes, I get that stuff like lettuce is gluten-free, thanks.

                                                                                                                    1. re: sfumato
                                                                                                                      Haiuwi Feb 27, 2009 02:36 AM

                                                                                                                      "Cholesterol-free" or "No cholesterol". Here is a handy guide for your cholesterol needs:

                                                                                                                      animal = cholesterol
                                                                                                                      plant = no cholesterol

                                                                                                                      Yes, those avocadoes and macadamia nuts are completely cholesterol free. Go wild! Oh wait, they're not FAT free.

                                                                                                                      1. re: sfumato
                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Feb 27, 2009 07:06 AM

                                                                                                                        i didn't want to get off on a tangent so i left the GF issue alone...but yes, the first time i saw "Gluten-Free!" printed on a container of yogurt, i wanted to scream.

                                                                                                                    2. re: jmckee
                                                                                                                      LicketySplit Mar 1, 2009 11:37 PM

                                                                                                                      That Trillin "sleepytime" bit is hilarious.

                                                                                                                      Along the lines of "on a bed of..."


                                                                                                                      1. re: LicketySplit
                                                                                                                        Scargod Mar 2, 2009 04:45 AM

                                                                                                                        Snuggled up next to... Seen that before!

                                                                                                                      2. re: jmckee
                                                                                                                        LolaP Nov 15, 2009 07:19 PM

                                                                                                                        Oh my god, I hate "melts in your mouth" too. The only foods that can do that are sugar and ice. My mom tried to foist over-cooked summer squash off on my sister and me by declaring it "melts in your mouth!" Why on earth would that make me want to eat it? BTW, actually love summer squash--turns out I am just not a fan when it has been cooked to the point of disintegration.
                                                                                                                        PS My mom is an awesome cook and has since seen th error of her boiling ways.

                                                                                                                      3. k
                                                                                                                        Kathleen M Feb 26, 2009 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                        I always want to barf when I hear "yummy yummy in my tummy"! Are we not yet out of pre-school??? and "to perfection". If we didn't mention "to perfection" should we assume that we are aiming for less?

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                                                                                                                        1. re: Kathleen M
                                                                                                                          janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                          spoken, no doubt, by the folks who still go "potty"

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                                                                                                                            lynnlato Feb 26, 2009 04:10 PM

                                                                                                                            "spoken, no doubt, by the folks who still go "potty""

                                                                                                                            Or, worse yet - "tinkle".

                                                                                                                            1. re: lynnlato
                                                                                                                              janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                              I usually just say "wee wee" LOL

                                                                                                                              1. re: janetms383
                                                                                                                                adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                I'm a fan of winky-tinky. Anyone who loves Madeline Kahn (who?) knows of what I speak.... adam

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                                                                                                                                  alkapal Feb 27, 2009 05:50 AM

                                                                                                                                  Madeline Kahn, RIP. it has been 10 years.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeline...

                                                                                                                                  i'm tired of all the folks who are tired of rachel ray's phrases. ;-).

                                                                                                                        2. cuccubear Feb 26, 2009 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                          Here is a couple:

                                                                                                                          Fresh – as in “fresh garden greens” or “fresh chicken breasts”. (Just to reassure you there is no spoiled or rotten meat in the dish.)

                                                                                                                          Pilaf – for many restaurants this is just a fancy word for rice.

                                                                                                                          Seasonal, vine-ripened (tomatoes) – or anything similar that infers these vegetables weren’t bought in a store or shipped via tractor trailer from Florida.

                                                                                                                          and of course...”Hand-crafted from the finest ingredients...”

                                                                                                                          Sayings like these have become hackneyed and meaningless to me. Just once I’d like to see:

                                                                                                                          “We rummaged through our cupboards and threw a bunch of stuff together...we hope you like it!”

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                                                                                                                            Samalicious Feb 26, 2009 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                            Garden Fresh. I know damn well there's no garden back there.
                                                                                                                            Decadent. Yeah we're gonna be making out on the table after we eat that.
                                                                                                                            Veggies. I guess this was cute at some point or another. Now it just irritates me.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Samalicious
                                                                                                                              c oliver Feb 26, 2009 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                              Oh, man, I hate "veggies" too. I try to avoid even typing it in emails. So precious.

                                                                                                                              Now if Alice Waters describes something as "garden fresh" I'd have no problem with that.

                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver
                                                                                                                                Samalicious Feb 26, 2009 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                True that.

                                                                                                                              2. re: Samalicious
                                                                                                                                janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                I guess you and I won't be eating any "delish veggies"!!

                                                                                                                                1. re: Samalicious
                                                                                                                                  danhole Feb 26, 2009 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                  I do think that I have had 2 dishes in my life that were really decadent - an actual orgasmic mouth experience. Other than that I put that word on the back shelf. But veggies - no way! I think that's a cartoon, isn't it?

                                                                                                                                  1. re: danhole
                                                                                                                                    fern Feb 26, 2009 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                    An actual orgasmic mouth experience? Ok, I'll bite. ;)

                                                                                                                                    Please tell us about the two decadent dishes!

                                                                                                                                    1. re: fern
                                                                                                                                      Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                      I'm sorry, but "decadent" is another one of those vocabulary stickler pet peeves.

                                                                                                                                      Decadent means rotting or decaying. It does not mean lavish, delicious or rich. "Sinful" gets me too, because I can ask my priest but I'm pretty sure eating chocolate cake is not a sin, as long as you aren't gluttonous.

                                                                                                                                      (Don't get me started on the menu that advertised "our enormity of a decadent chocolate cake".)

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                                                                                        Glencora Feb 26, 2009 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                        "Sinful" bothers me, too -- as well as the opposite. When my dad says that my mom is "being good," I want to scream, "You mean she's on a diet!"

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                                                                                          fern Feb 26, 2009 12:08 PM

                                                                                                                                          Yes, I think danhole's post agrees with you that "decadent" is misused. I think people use it to mean something that is so good it's bad for you, takes you down.
                                                                                                                                          Anyway, she knows of 2 dishes that give an orgasmic mouth experience and I want to hear about them!

                                                                                                                                          1. re: fern
                                                                                                                                            danhole Feb 26, 2009 12:34 PM

                                                                                                                                            From the Miriam Webster Online dictionary of the word decadent:
                                                                                                                                            3 : characterized by or appealing to self-indulgence <decadent pleasures>

                                                                                                                                            The two dishes are:

                                                                                                                                            1. Dracula's Cream of Garlic Soup at a restaurant named Charivari in Houston that is run by a Transylvanian Chef. I could have bathed in it. So good I wanted to lick the bowl. He makes it with a homemade stock. The flavors balance perfectly, not too much cream or garlic. Perfection in a bowl.

                                                                                                                                            2. The raviolo w/ ricotta, egg and truffle at Da Marco's, also in Houston. Here is an old blog link with a photo of the dish, that doesn't make it look nearly as good as it was. It was incredible! Again, a perfect balance of flavors and textures
                                                                                                                                            You have to scroll down a bit to see it.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: danhole
                                                                                                                                              janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                              ya beat me!

                                                                                                                                              We were posting at the same time!!!

                                                                                                                                              1. re: danhole
                                                                                                                                                fern Feb 26, 2009 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                Beautiful, thank you for posting the link and the information. They both sound delicious, and those textures must have been amazing. Love what you wrote, especially about the Cream of Garlic Soup.

                                                                                                                                            2. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                                                                                              janetms383 Feb 26, 2009 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                                              words can and do have more than one meaning. ... check M-W.com
                                                                                                                                              def 3)

                                                                                                                                              1 : marked by decay or decline
                                                                                                                                              2 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of the decadents
                                                                                                                                              3 : characterized by or appealing to self-indulgence <decadent pleasures>

                                                                                                                                    2. Phoo_d Feb 26, 2009 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                                      Emulsion. Usually accompanied by the word foam or truffle. This is a great thread!


                                                                                                                                      1. GodfatherofLunch Feb 26, 2009 11:14 AM

                                                                                                                                        Confit in reference to anything but duck.
                                                                                                                                        Confit is a cooking term for a duck preserved by being salted and cooked slowly in its own fat.
                                                                                                                                        I don't want to even hear about tomato confit

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: GodfatherofLunch
                                                                                                                                          HotMelly Feb 26, 2009 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                          And to go with Billieboy's "Oven-baked, It's Pan-fried

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                                                                                                                                            c oliver Feb 26, 2009 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                            But doesn't that mean as opposed to deep fried. Or would it be sauteed? I don't know?

                                                                                                                                          2. re: GodfatherofLunch
                                                                                                                                            chicaraleigh Feb 26, 2009 12:34 PM

                                                                                                                                            there use to be a place in Raleigh that served rabbit confit - I LOVED that stuff....

                                                                                                                                            it was cooked in the same method as duck confit, but obviously used rabbit fat, not duck fat

                                                                                                                                            what would you call rabbit that was salted and cooked slowly in it's own fat?

                                                                                                                                            1. re: chicaraleigh
                                                                                                                                              GodfatherofLunch Feb 26, 2009 04:35 PM

                                                                                                                                              Do some checking and I am sure you will find it is cooked in duck fat. Rabbit is quite lean, I can even imagine the number of rabbits needed to get the quantity of fat needed.
                                                                                                                                              AS TO
                                                                                                                                              "what would you call rabbit that was salted and cooked slowly in its own fat?"
                                                                                                                                              - that would be called DRY

                                                                                                                                              1. re: GodfatherofLunch
                                                                                                                                                chicaraleigh Feb 27, 2009 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                LOL.... I wish I could check but sadly the restaurant has long since closed. i distinctly remember them telling me that is was prepared in the same method of duck confit.

                                                                                                                                                At the time (10+ years ago) it didn't occur to me to ask if they used other sources for fat.

                                                                                                                                                I guess this will have to remain one of the great mysteries of life...

                                                                                                                                                1. re: chicaraleigh
                                                                                                                                                  GodfatherofLunch Feb 27, 2009 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Have you ever seen a fat rabbit, me either.
                                                                                                                                                  I guess staying lean is what makes it possible for them to "do it" like rabbits

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                                                                                                                                                    chicaraleigh Feb 27, 2009 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                    maybe it's the other way around? they stay lean by doing it like rabbits....

                                                                                                                                                    and actually, I have seen some pretty chubby rabbits, granted, they were pets but fat none the less

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                                                                                                                                                      GodfatherofLunch Feb 27, 2009 01:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I will make every effort to test out this theory. Shortly I hope to be able to use a watch band as a belt.

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                                                                                                                                                        kattyeyes Feb 27, 2009 02:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                        GoL, you're a cwazy wabbit! Best of luck in that endeavor! ;) I had two pet rabbits about ten years ago--both female, both lean despite having a penchant for Cap'n Crunch. And not for dinner!

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                                                                                                                                                          GodfatherofLunch Feb 27, 2009 05:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                          talk about
                                                                                                                                                          snap Crackle and Pop

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                                                                                                                                                  haggisdragon Mar 2, 2009 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                  new thread?: Chowhound, club of food enthusiasts, or refuge of the annoyingly pedantic?


                                                                                                                                                  those words bug me

                                                                                                                                                  Me, grumpy? Nah!

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: haggisdragon
                                                                                                                                                    alkapal Mar 2, 2009 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                    i *like* pedantics. i learn from them. ;-).

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                                                                                                                                                      thew Mar 2, 2009 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                      i love the pedantics. they used to play at CBGB's

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                                                                                                                                                        Scargod Mar 2, 2009 01:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Didn't Minutiae play there, too? The Pretenders?

                                                                                                                                              2. re: GodfatherofLunch
                                                                                                                                                Glencora Feb 26, 2009 01:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                There's a recipe in this month's Gourmet magazine for carrot and fennel confit. They're shredded and cooked in olive oil. Doesn't sound appealing at all.

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                                                                                                                                                  GodfatherofLunch Feb 26, 2009 04:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Some folks call anything slow cooked in oil confit. How is that different from oil poached?

                                                                                                                                                  Of course you can charge more for an entree garnished with shallot confit than garnished with shallot slowly cooked in oil

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                                                                                                                                                  lynnlato Feb 26, 2009 04:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Or "compote". Our pear compote today on our foie gras & truffle omelette was anything but "compote". Sorry, three slices of baked pear do not constitute "compote".

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: lynnlato
                                                                                                                                                    adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 04:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Another frequently used term that gets my dander up is using "carpaccio" to denote something other than raw, thinly sliced filet of beef. Tuna carpaccio-WTF? It's sushi or sashimi or raw tuna; NOT carpaccio.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: adamshoe
                                                                                                                                                      lynnlato Feb 26, 2009 05:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I'm with ya on this one too.

                                                                                                                                                      Ya know what else is annoying? When servers think they're funny and purposely mispronounce word. For instance, "mer-lot" or "es-car-gots". Our server today, said "foy grass", in an attempt at humor - not funny, dumbass.

                                                                                                                                                      Great. Now I'm all pissy and irritated too. Thanks Adam. (JK)

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: lynnlato
                                                                                                                                                      GodfatherofLunch Feb 26, 2009 05:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, we was robbed
                                                                                                                                                      more like pear capone

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                                                                                                                                                      applehome Feb 27, 2009 12:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                      Interesting etymology of confit in McGee - started out having nothing at all to do with meat. It's gone from fruits and veg to meat and back around to have "the connotations of immersion, impregnation, flavoring, and slow, deliberate preparation..." This general meaning is historically more correct. It might even be referred to as being authentic. And people who make confits of various sorts might even be artisans.

                                                                                                                                                      And Phood, you can't undefine Emulsion. It's a scientific term meaning a mixture of two incompatible liquids, with droplets of one liquid dispersed in a continuous phase of the other.

                                                                                                                                                      I know we're all pretending to be people who can't appreciate the value of vocabulary and descriptive terminology here, but there are limits. Marketing gurus do come up with some stupid shit, it's true, but we can't roll back words with real meaning - even foreign ones.

                                                                                                                                                    4. Glencora Feb 26, 2009 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I'd be happy to never see "served with our signature (anything)" again.

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                                                                                                                                                        Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                        I don't see any signature... false advertising! Who was supposed to sign it before it left the kitchen?

                                                                                                                                                        Oh dear... I may need to stop reading this thread.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                                                                                                          im_nomad Feb 28, 2009 06:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                          i'd add "our world famous"..........at local restaurants.....really..cuz i never heard of you. it's an attempt at funny....and its not funny.

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                                                                                                                                                            alkapal Mar 1, 2009 04:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                            but i think lum's hot dogs *were* world famous....at least in the civilized world. LOL!

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                                                                                                                                                              im_nomad Mar 1, 2009 05:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                              it's different if they deserve the name...foods that don't deserve to be recognized shouldn't be touted as "famous"..never mind "world famous".

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: im_nomad
                                                                                                                                                                alkapal Mar 1, 2009 05:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                ok, so you are agreeing or disagreeing that lum's deserved the name? ;-).

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                                                                                                                                                                  Passadumkeg Mar 1, 2009 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  What's a Lum? Nathan's World Famous Coney Island Dogs!

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                                                                                                                                                                    Scargod Mar 1, 2009 05:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Never heard of 'em. Not in all my travels.. World Famous? Small world famous, possibly.
                                                                                                                                                                    Now here's something accurate:" ----'s Perfected Texas Red".

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Scargod
                                                                                                                                                                      Passadumkeg Mar 1, 2009 05:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Jersey? The epicenter of hot dogs! Texas dogs, sooo popular.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: alkapal
                                                                                                                                                                    im_nomad Mar 1, 2009 05:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    sorry alkapal...but I never had one !

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                                                                                                                                                                      alkapal Mar 2, 2009 04:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      im nomad -- oops!

                                                                                                                                                                      lum's: while "world famous" not universally known.

                                                                                                                                                                      on "coffee talk," linda richman would now say, "discuss!"


                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: alkapal
                                                                                                                                                                        im_nomad Mar 2, 2009 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        XD alka....i'm a little verklempt...talk amongst yourselves.....

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: im_nomad
                                                                                                                                                                        haggisdragon Mar 2, 2009 10:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        Where I come from "world famous" or or "Best blah, blah blah in blah, blah blah blah, invariably denotes the opposite.

                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: alkapal
                                                                                                                                                                    Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 07:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Until we moved on to some "high-end" franks (oxymoronic?), Lums' were the only hotdogs that I actually enjoyed.

                                                                                                                                                                    I now use a lot of their tricks, but with a different "frank." We did not have any close, but when we found one, we'd always include them for a casual lunch. Thanks for the memories.


                                                                                                                                                                    PS, in case it is not obvious, I did not grow up in a part of the US, where there were "gourmet" hotdogs, so I didn't know any better. Hey, should we ban "gourmet" also?

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                                                                                                                                                                      Scargod Mar 11, 2009 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Yup! Anything made out of unknown parts (like franks, bologna, Spam, etc.), can't include gourmet or any other elitist adjective in their description.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Scargod
                                                                                                                                                                        thew Mar 11, 2009 11:49 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                          Scargod Mar 11, 2009 12:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Well...it's obvious isn't it? Oxymoronic to call things with chicken butts or pig ears in them "gourmet". I didn't include sausage, because some sausage is made from good cuts of defined meats.
                                                                                                                                                                          Seems like Spam or a frank/weiner (or frankly, a weiner), implies that it is made from scraps. How are you going to call scraps or trimmmings gourmet? Because it looks cute?

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                                                                                                                                                                            Das Ubergeek Mar 11, 2009 02:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            I don't know... I've had some truly gourmet ris de veau. I've been served sesos in gourmet restaurants in Mexico, and the finest Chinese restaurant I've ever dined in served me lung slices.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Scargod
                                                                                                                                                                              kattyeyes Mar 11, 2009 02:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Hey, guy. Gotta disagree with the dismissal of gourmet. Here's a local (CT) example for you. Scroll down to the bottom for the gourmet dogs and lobster dogs! I haven't been yet, but walk right by this place all the time and plan to check it out in season:

                                                                                                                                                                              Also, I'd say the pig ear in red chili sauce at Lao Sze Chuan is pretty gourmet! Now, the pig ears I used to buy for my dog at Xpect, I grant you, were not! ;)

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Scargod
                                                                                                                                                                                c oliver Nov 15, 2009 07:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                I think the word "gourmet" means nothing as who gets to determine what is gourmet? I've had pig ears that were right up there with some of the very best food. Just had beef cheeks tonight. Ditto. What about sweetbreads? Which offal gets that designation?

                                                                                                                                                                                Edit: Oooh, I forgot. What about goose liver?

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                                                                                                                                                                  Sherri Feb 26, 2009 02:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  "Sauteed in white wine".

                                                                                                                                                                  To saute or fry requires a minumum temperature of 350 degrees. Water boils at 212 degrees, never reaching the required temperature for a true saute.

                                                                                                                                                                  The food can be sauteed and sauced with white wine (or other water-based liquid) but, damnit, it cannot be sauteed in white wine.

                                                                                                                                                                  Yep, I'm grumpy too.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. danhole Feb 26, 2009 03:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Degustation menu . . , am i the only one that thinks of a regurgitation menu when I hear that phrase? i know what it means, but it just doesn't sound appealing. I think I would rather have a Nannerpuss pancake deal, which sounds more appealing that degustation. Maybe I am just not that cool. Or maybe just too old.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 04:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Just call it a tasting menu. The late Bistro K had French words sprinkled apparently at random through its menu, which drove me insane. I know Laurent Quenioux is French, but either write your menu in translation or just hire a menu writer to put it all in English for you. It's one thing to be precise -- a noisette is smaller than a medallion (or, if you like, a médaillon) but honestly, why do you need to call a sauce a "nage"?

                                                                                                                                                                      I speak French -- I have done so since I was 9 months old -- and so I had no real problem making sense of the menu, but it really kills the pleasure of dining out when my companions have to ask me what to expect on their plate because it's half in French.

                                                                                                                                                                      Equally irritating are the places (which are dwindling in number, thank Heaven) that don't translate the menu at all, so it's like this OMG SEKRIT CLUB where you have to know what sole Véronique or poussin bonne femme are.

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                                                                                                                                                                        adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 04:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Or worse, when they use French or Italian but totally mangle it. Eg; one place I worked, for their Valentine's Menu listed one course as "The Chef's Ameskewl" (!) If you can't figure it out, I'll clue you in later. I had no idea that I'd be opening up the cranky floodgates when I posted this. Really enjoying hearing everyone else's peeves. Remember, grumpiness loves company ;) adam

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                                                                                                                                                                          Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 05:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Please tell me he didn't use "amuse-gueule" on a menu! That's so crass... You might say "gueule" to your colleague at the water cooler but never in a formal situation! And "ameskewl" just... wow... French FAIL.

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                                                                                                                                                                            adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 05:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Uber: Epic French Fail!! Unrelated story alert... years ago, while working at a very nice resto. (ooh, bad word...) in Oakland, we had a Flatiron steak on the menu. One of my co-workers approached the table to take their order. Customer: "I will have the trout and my wife would like the fla-tee-rhon (pronounced very kind of French-y...) steak" Server: " Pardon me, the what?" Customer: (getting indignant) "The flah-tee-rhon!" Server: "very good, sir; how would the lady like it prepared?" Still can't see the word flatiron without thinking "flah-tee-rhon" ;) adam

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                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              LOL! I'm losing it on the "flah-tee-rhon" pronunciation, adam - thanks a lot! That will stick in my mind now when I see it.

                                                                                                                                                                              Similar is when I was about 18, reading a novel, and called out to my mother "Mom, what's a TEE-toe-TALE-er?" She asked me to pronounce it again, and then asked me to bring her the book and show her the word.

                                                                                                                                                                              She said "OH. It's pronounced tee-TOHT-ler. It's someone who doesn't drink alcohol."

                                                                                                                                                                              My response was "well, there you go - I drink beer and whiskey sours (at the time). So that's why I don't know how to pronounce it!"

                                                                                                                                                                              That word is forever TEE-to-TALE-er in my brain when I see it in print. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                                                                                                                              greygarious Feb 27, 2009 05:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Then there was the article a few months ago that mentioned "a mouse douche".....

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                                                                                                                                                                                adamshoe Feb 27, 2009 05:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Shut UP!!! Can you possibly find a link to that? Too funny! Makes me think of the old SNL commercial for "Autumn Fizz", the first and only carbonated douche for when you have that "not so fresh" feeling. adam

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                                                                                                                            GodfatherofLunch Feb 26, 2009 05:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            I speak no french, but I am curious do these same companions need help with terms like carbonara, empanada, or Pho?
                                                                                                                                                                            The term Nage would help me to know the sauce will be a light stock, probably vegetable based as opposed to a heavy sauce.
                                                                                                                                                                            Is it possible that you friends are just not very bright?

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                                                                                                                                                                              Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Possibly.. but for some reason I find that non-French menus are more often translated or described in English, even if the translation is odd ("fried vegetarians").
                                                                                                                                                                              The item in question, incidentally, was a "mushroom and scallop nage", I believe. The only worse time is a Chinese menu, where the translations are merely cursory and a thing like 魚香加子 can be translated as anything from "garlic eggplant" to "Szechwan spicy vegetable marrow" to "fishy smell egg vegetable".

                                                                                                                                                                              If you'd like to sit in your chair and feel all warm and superior because you're a kind of walking Larousse Gastronomique, by all means, go ahead. If ever I open a restaurant, I will have my menu explain what things are and you can come and sneer about how pedestrian it all is and how it's such a shame restaurant menus have to be dumbed down for Those People.

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                                                                                                                                                                                adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 06:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Godfather, may we speak sotto voce, insieme, per piacere? Some words like carbonara, enchilada, frites, Tutto mondo sapere, capisce? But not everyone knows nage, verjus, strozzapretti, etc. You shouldn't need a glossary or thesaurus to understand what you're (sustainably and locally) chowing on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Atahualpa Feb 26, 2009 09:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  How exactly would you translate verjus or strozzapreti?

                                                                                                                                                                                  I am finding it difficult to think of an appropriately accurate and succinct English term for either. Both could probably be omitted from the menu or substituted for generic terms -- but, they don't have obvious direct translations. Strangled Priest isn't quite going to cut it.

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Das Ubergeek
                                                                                                                                                                                  applehome Feb 27, 2009 01:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't think the menu has to explain it all - but the waiter does, or should be able to. But then again, the customer is always right, so if he orders flateeeron steak, by golly, the waiter's job is to smile and say yes sir. If the customer doesn't have the sense to ask about an item he knows nothing about, or to ask if there's a Chinese menu and could he have some help with it, then of course, the customer should get what he deserves.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm more concerned that the food is dumbed down, rather than the menu. And unfortunately, here in the USA, food is often dumbed down for Those People.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Das Ubergeek Feb 27, 2009 03:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Have you ever actually eaten in a Chinese restaurant in the US?

                                                                                                                                                                                    Models of fawning service, they are not. "Is pork, you like pork" is the type of response you typically get both due to a language barrier and due to a difference in perception of what a waiter does.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree that in matters of confusion you should ask the server, but it's also incumbent upon the restaurant to make their menus clear.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: danhole
                                                                                                                                                                              adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 04:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              The same thoughts are conjured by me when I hear the word "gastropub". Yecch!! It sounds like a medical procedure. Dr. to Nurse: push 500 cc's of epinephrine and after we intubate, we'll proceed with the gastropub, STAT. adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                danhole Feb 27, 2009 06:48 AM


                                                                                                                                                                                Here's another alternative - Dr. to Nurse: push 500 cc's of epinephrine and after we finish the degustation procedure, we'll proceed with the gastropub, But be sure that the Dr. is a specialist in Molecular Gastromony.


                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: danhole
                                                                                                                                                                                haggisdragon Mar 2, 2009 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                you're just not french enough! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                  danhole Mar 2, 2009 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Not going to argue with that!

                                                                                                                                                                              3. Veggo Feb 26, 2009 04:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                I loathe seeing "New and Improved" on food packaging. It's a guarantee that I'm now offered inferior ingredients, or a smaller portion, or both, than that to which I had been previously accustomed.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. Seth Chadwick Feb 26, 2009 05:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  "Cooked to perfection."

                                                                                                                                                                                  Totally meaningless.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    therealdoctorlew Feb 26, 2009 05:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Napped and toothsome in a food review.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Gastrique, jus, and coulis for sauce on an otherwise English menu.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Roasted for baked.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Pan-seared for almost raw.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Fresh creamery butter. (I want rancid artificial butter!)
                                                                                                                                                                                    (But my wife and I still laugh about the menu that offered steak "with delicious Aujus sauce. It was pronounced aw-juss by the waitress, too.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: therealdoctorlew
                                                                                                                                                                                      Atahualpa Feb 26, 2009 09:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      "with delicious Aujus sauce" I've seen that somewhere too. Some fast food chain while I was travelling in the US. I laughed out loud seeing it!

                                                                                                                                                                                      However, I vehemently disagree with your problems with gastrique, and coulis (I'll give you jus). Each is a sauce. That is true. But, each is a specific type of sauce for which English does not have a single-word term to replace it with. When the French terms are almost universally known (and I think with these two they are indeed just about universally known) why not use them. I feel this is only slightly about avoiding words like pasta (wouldn't noodle do?) or gnocchi.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Ideally, give the more succinct menu item with original foreign terms, and then have a short paragraph explaining the dish below.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        janetms383 Feb 27, 2009 05:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        or as Homer would say as he drooled

                                                                                                                                                                                        hmmmm au jus... not quite blood, not quite gravy

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Sooeygun Feb 28, 2009 04:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          'Au jus' is a phrase that I always see being used incorrectly. The sauce is not 'au jus', it's just 'jus.' I can't count the number of times I seen "with au jus" on menus. Arrgh.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I was carving a hip of beef on a buffet one day when a guy pointed at the red wine sauce and asked in a very strong Texan accent if it was 'awgus'. I had no idea what the heck he was saying and he was getting angry. Finally he said, 'you know, gravy!'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Scargod Feb 28, 2009 04:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            And, why can't they just say "Today's Soup" (less letters), rather than Soupe du jour? I don't think many have the "e" on the end of soup, on their menus, either.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I like Washington State University's page which states: Soupe du jour (note the E on the end of soupe) means “soup of the day.” If you’re going to use French to be pretentious on a menu, it’s important to learn the meaning of the words you’re using. Often what is offered is potage, anyway. Keep it simple, keep it in English, and you can’t go wrong.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Amen! Please help us illiterate Texans! BTW, SO knows French, so this was a snap!

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                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Feb 28, 2009 06:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Scargod, don't hate me, but i have to do this...if they say "Today's Soup," they're using *fewer* letters, not "less" letters.

                                                                                                                                                                                              but your quote from WSU is correct - Soupe (with an e) du jour is French...whereas "Soup du jour" (which many servers don't even pronounce properly anyway) is an Americanized term than should never be used because it's just wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                                                                                                                Scargod Feb 28, 2009 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                As I said, "Please help us illiterate Texans!" All donations gratefully accepted. One shouldn't throw stones if they live in glass houses. Mine is a greenhouse.
                                                                                                                                                                                                But it's good you put in the caveat. You should be fearful of the venom a snail's slime can deliver! Have a nice day

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  MelMM Feb 18, 2011 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Just like "bleu cheese", which is my pet peeve.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Sooeygun
                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                That ticks me off as well, Sooey.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  billieboy Feb 28, 2009 05:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Whenever I see Soup de Jour on the menu, I always say to my companion. Oh!!! Soup de Jour, that's my favourite. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, I was responding re: Sooey's comment about "au jus" - when menus say something like "a succulent steak served with au jus" I just want to scream "you've used one too many "withs" in that sentence!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    But yes, Soup du Jour is yet another one that could be gotten rid out without any great loss.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      adamshoe Feb 28, 2009 04:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sort of the like the "Pasta del Giorno" @ an italian place. Customer: "The last time I ordered it, the Pasta del Giorno was completely different!!" Me: "Well, DUH... it means "of the Day". Another gem.... for the longest time one of my co-workers thought that A.Q. on a menu stood for "ask questions" Too cute and always makes me grin when I see it on a menu. adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Das Ubergeek Feb 28, 2009 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I haven't seen "A.Q." on a menu in over a decade! Usually we get "M.P." instead.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          adamshoe Feb 28, 2009 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Wracking the old grey cells... Eureka!! Is it market price?? What do I win?
                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd like a tiara.... adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            billieboy Feb 28, 2009 07:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            And I confess my ignorance .. what is A.Q.? Aqua?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Das Ubergeek Feb 28, 2009 07:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Armenian Quark" -- a very tangy goat's milk yoghurt cheese.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Just kidding. It's "as quoted", which means "if you have to ask, you can't afford it."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                billieboy Feb 28, 2009 07:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                :-) I liked the goat cheese better. Thanks for explanation.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  msemmelh Feb 17, 2011 09:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am on a quest to correct this misunderstanding about "A.Q."...! It has nothing to do with expensive items, as many people have suggested here and elsewhere. A.Q. or aq or a.q. or AQ simply means that the price changes frequently because an item is fresh and seasonal ("Fish of the day", for example). Yes, sometimes these items may be expensive, but it is not definitively so. Happy eating!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    dump123456789 Feb 18, 2011 06:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Which ties into various other threads.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Why do places with menu items priced as AQ usually tell you the price when they orally list those AQ items as the "special" of the day, but other places don't tell you the prices of their special specials ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      msemmelh Feb 18, 2011 08:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is an important service point-- some places I've worked want the customer to know exactly what the price is so there are no complaints when the bill arrives, and do not want the customer to feel forced to ask the price openly so that he/she sounds "cheap". Others feel it is rude to mention the price out loud, but run the risk of the customer being surprised.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The bottom line is that if a server does not mention the price of a special, it better be on par with the rest of the menu or they are misleading the customers!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jay F Feb 18, 2011 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        AQ means "as quoted." So it's required that they quote the price.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          dump123456789 Feb 18, 2011 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought it was originally French, "a(something) quotidien", meaning "daily", as in "catch of the day".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        alkapal Feb 18, 2011 06:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i laughed the other day looking at an online menu for a local restaurant, "hong kong palace." the place where it would say "market price" on the menu instead had the word "depends." LOL!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          dump123456789 Feb 18, 2011 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Assuming the place is Chinese owned, this language issue is not a surprise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It is kind of amusing how bluntly it is put though, as opposed to the almost euphemistic "AQ" and "market price". Is there even a Chinese term equivalent to those two ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            alkapal Feb 18, 2011 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i don't know, but i thought, "well, there it is; you'd better ask!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            love the place, btw.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              janetms383 Feb 28, 2009 10:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't order the soup, but I always ask "what's the soup de jour" just to see how many waiter will say "soup of the day" doh!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                alkapal Mar 1, 2009 04:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                janet, i like that one! mind if i steal it?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  janetms383 Mar 2, 2009 09:46 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  billieboy Mar 1, 2009 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am reminded of an old cartoon. Dagwood, I think
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He asks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What's the soup de jour?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Waiter."Cream of Mushroom"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dagwood. "That was the soup de jour yesterday"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Waiter. "Yeah and if it is not sold, it will be the soup de jour tomorrow too"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    haggisdragon Mar 2, 2009 10:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thats funny, janetms383. I used to be a server and I had a regular who insisted on making that a running joke between us.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. soniabegonia Feb 26, 2009 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          mouth feel - bleh. too obvious and sounds dorky
                                                                                                                                                                                                          unctuous - pretentious and sounds unappetizing
                                                                                                                                                                                                          food porn - enough already

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. billieboy Feb 26, 2009 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Mouth feel.....cuz they can't spell techsure?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Das Ubergeek Feb 26, 2009 06:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I wanted to reply but I don't get signal in my carhole.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. kattyeyes Feb 26, 2009 06:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Another one that just sounds wrong: SUCCULENT. We were watching a cooking show one day and the host kept saying how SUCCULENT it (whatever "it" was) was. Maybe it's that "suck" is the first syllable and just sounds inherently wrong. Maybe it's too close to "succubus" for me. Whatever the case, I'd be happy if I never heard or saw this word again. I just think it kind of, well, sucks. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                smartie Feb 26, 2009 07:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                can't stand 'freshly cut sandwiches' . What does that mean for goodness sake!! the sandwiches are stale but they were freshly cut?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                In England the milk bottles say 'Doorstep Fresh' which is also a stupid slogan.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                the other one that bugs me, boxes of 'vegetarian eggs'. When did an egg become a vegetarian????? Was it ever a carnivore?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  applehome Feb 27, 2009 01:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do they still deliver milk to the house in the UK as they used to here? If so, Doorstep Fresh may still have meaning. It does bring memories of the glass jars in the metal carriers, with paper tops and cream floating on top. But it would have no meaning to my kids.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kattyeyes Feb 27, 2009 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hey, applehome! I remember the metal milk boxes, though I don't recall why there was still one on the back porch when we never had milk delivery (I was born in the late 60s)...but I do remember the milk boxes. They didn't appear to be refrigerated, though..so on a warm day, just how "Doorstop Fresh" could it have been? ;) Or did they put a block of ice in the box when they made the delivery?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On a sidebar, here in CT, we used to be able to get creamline milk in the 90s from a place that also made ice cream. There was nothing like it! I don't think they sell it anymore, though. I remember growing up thinking it would have been cool if there really was a milkman that still delivered.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lynnlato Feb 27, 2009 12:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow, that's a blast from the past. I had completely forgotten about those metal milk boxes on the porch. I also remember the taller, decorative milk canisters that were painted and detailed w/ flowers. Whoa.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      FYI, we have a milk man here in Charlotte NC. It's extremely expensive but it's fresh off the dairy farm.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        GodfatherofLunch Mar 2, 2009 05:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I grew up in Brooklyn NY and I remember the Seltzer man. He would deliver a case of those cool squirt bottles with the lever and pick up the case of empties.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          thew Mar 2, 2009 05:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          yea- we used to get those - blue siphon bottles. and a few sodas. havent been able to make a good egg cream at home since those stopped

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            coll Mar 2, 2009 06:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            They're still around, at least in Brooklyn, last I heard.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              GodfatherofLunch Mar 2, 2009 07:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Now I am in Charlotte, North Carolina. No siphon seltzer bottles around here.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Luckily Katz NY deli here in Charlotte has Fox's-U-Bet syrup.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As any egg cream maven knows THAT is the one ingredient you MUST have for a good egg cream.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                coll Mar 2, 2009 07:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I always have chocolate, vanilla, malt and another brand of coffee on hand for when a craving hits. So I have to make it with Canada Dry seltzer, what can I do? As long as it's a new bottle. It's the first thing I order at a diner for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  GodfatherofLunch Mar 2, 2009 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Chocolate, vanilla, malt and another brand of coffee" ?????????
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know about chocolate and even vanilla egg creams, but what the heck is malt and coffee all about? Not an egg cream I hope. If you are referring to malt powder, that would be for a malted not an egg cream. Coffee, I have no clue what this is about.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    coll Mar 2, 2009 09:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    U Bet malt syrup and Coffee Time coffee syrup. Traditionally used in milk shakes but I like to think outside the box. Really good mixed with chocolate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Malted powder I would use for waffles myself.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      GodfatherofLunch Mar 2, 2009 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I respect outside the box thinking. I'm game to try any shake you invent.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On behalf of all the fellas from Brooklyn let me say
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't mess wit da friggin Egg Cream, ya hear me?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        coll Mar 2, 2009 12:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Only in the privacy of my own home!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kattyeyes Mar 2, 2009 01:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hey, coll...apparently you are not alone. Check out what they do in Rhode Island:

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            GodfatherofLunch Mar 2, 2009 01:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ahh Yes, Rhode island and Egg Creams, they go together like peanut butter and Lox on a rice cake.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              coll Mar 2, 2009 02:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just love all coffee flavored things. But their method of making egg creams isn't the way I was taught. Syrup first, then a little milk, then the seltzer poured over the back of a spoon to fill the glass. There are other ways, but this is how I was taught and I cannot deviate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Scargod Mar 3, 2009 02:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Holly crap! This is the first time in 62 years that I've heard of an egg cream! A Brooklyn thing I read..... and NO egg. Imagine that! Is whole milk a prerequisite?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Passadumkeg Mar 3, 2009 03:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chill, dude, many New Yawkers have never herd of or eaten a taco al pastor or a Frito pie.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Das Ubergeek Mar 3, 2009 05:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You can use lowfat but it'll be not creamy enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mmmmm... an egg cream and a black-and-white... sigh...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    coll Mar 10, 2009 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just had possibly the best egg cream of my life at The Hampton Diner in Hampton Bays, the waitress warned me before she made it that it would spoil all others for me. So, it was milk, then seltzer, then syrup on top. The head was almost half the size of the glass. She claims she's famous for hers (why didn't I write down her name) but if you ever end up there, ask! All I know is that she's almost 70 years old.....she said the youngsters will never get it right.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              applehome Feb 27, 2009 12:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Presumably, it was milked, bottled and delivered that morning - that's pretty darned fresh, even if not ice cold out of the fridge. It was still going on in the early 60's. I don't remember when it ended, but I doubt that it's a useful marketing phrase in this day and age, at least here in the US. That's why I was wondering if doorstep milk deliver still went on in the UK. When I was in Germany in the 70's we had bi-weekly doorstep beer delivery.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kattyeyes Feb 27, 2009 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I asked my mom about this today. She said the milkman delivered early in the morning, so it's not as though the milk sat out on the porch all day. She is a big fan of "Keeping Up Appearances" and told me that Hyacinth Bucket (that's Bouquet!) left a message for the milkman on one of the shows. So maybe they still do have that in the UK. How cool is doorstep beer delivery! Far sexier than Poland Springs!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LL: that is so cool that you have a milkman in your neck o'the woods! There is nothing like creamline milk even if the cholesterol kid here shouldn't be drinking it! :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kattyeyes, even when it wasn't being used for milk,the metal box on the back porch was for the extra house key. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I do remember getting milk delivered. Several gallons every couple of days. Loved it. ::::::Sigh::::::: Memmmm-ries..........

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Passadumkeg Feb 28, 2009 05:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Decker's Dairy, Bordentown, NJ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    billieboy Feb 28, 2009 05:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I remember the house I where was raised had a box in the side wall. One door opened in and one opened out. It was for milk delivery and the milkman delivered the milk with a horse-drawn wagon. I used to feed the horse my lunch apple on the way to school....Oh the memories.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      No, I was in Bergen County. Not sure of the dairy name anymore...just Googled "Dairies Bergen County" and came up with Farmland Dairies in Fair Lawn. That could have been it. Either way, I do remember being woken up by the milkman in the summer when the bottles rattled while going into the box. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Passadumkeg Feb 28, 2009 05:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I thought the milk man and the Bond Bread man were really cool guys and I loved their trucks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What did you folks teach? Mom taught English.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 06:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          We never got bread delivered! (Did they do that?) At that stage of my life, it was usually Wonder Bread, but then we graduated to a "healthy bread", the name of which escapes me now. I'm thinking it had a "4" in the name? It wasn't a whole lot different from regular white bread - still ultra-soft and just a tan color with little nubbins of grain in it. But we did buy good Jewish rye at the local bakeries (Wyckoff Bakery). Ten times better than what I can buy now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And Mom was an English and speech teacher (and coached the drama club at the high school for a few years). Always awkward to get her as a substitute teacher in high school (but she was good - she'd ask me before taking the sub job! LOL)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Passadumkeg Feb 28, 2009 07:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I had mom as a sub early on until she got a permanent position. We used to get this wonderful Russian corn rye from, Sietz's, a now defunct bakery. The Russian consulate used to send a driver for it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                im_nomad Feb 28, 2009 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                smartie:..........I wonder if that's something to do with the feeds......some animal feeds have other animals in them...just a thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. toodie jane Feb 26, 2009 08:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              my pet peeve is Scones, when used for baked goods sweeter than many cookies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also, Trifle for any combo of ingredients layered in a clear serving dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I sheepishly admit to using when writing here:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I will now enter a 12-step program; after I finish my veggies, though. I've been selling them for 35 years and can't get my tongue to wrap around vegetables fifty times a day. Sorry. Too many syllables. (That's'sil-AH bulls)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Glencora Feb 26, 2009 08:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I kind of like "napped."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  billieboy Feb 26, 2009 08:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not to be confused with nappy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kattyeyes Feb 27, 2009 06:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Right--neither the adjective applied to one's hair nor the noun that would be used in a Ray-Rayesque form ("Finished my sammie and stoup, gonna take a nappy!"). ;) Your contributions to this thread continue to crack me up!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cdnexpat Mar 8, 2009 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Or the English homophone: Nappie (i.e. diaper).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    danhole Feb 27, 2009 06:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What does "napped" mean?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Gio Feb 27, 2009 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From the On Line Dictionary:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "nap 3 (np)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      tr.v. napped, nap·ping, naps
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      To pour or put a sauce or gravy over (a cooked dish): "a stuffed veal chop napped with an elegant Port sauce" Jay Jacobs."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        danhole Feb 27, 2009 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I suppose if I had read that on a menu I could have figured it out in context, but as of yet, that is a term I haven't seen. Thanks Gio.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Anonimo Mar 8, 2009 06:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes! Jay Jacobs was a big user of "napped" in his resto ;-) reviews in Gourmet Magazine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    MakingSense Feb 26, 2009 08:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Fresh frozen."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What can I say?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      billieboy Feb 26, 2009 08:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good one!!! I will remember that one. Classic oxymoron.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        billieboy Feb 27, 2009 06:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Have you ever seen a package of whatever that says "fresh, never frozen" and when you pick it up out of the display case, it's frozen hard!!! That might be a new thread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Boccone Dolce Mar 1, 2009 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          YES! I laugh every time. Never frozen, up until.......now!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        sfumato Feb 26, 2009 08:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would like to see "stale frozen," personally. HAH!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. cayjohan Feb 26, 2009 09:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Okay, here's one for grumpiness: Since when did we stop calling it a "wine list" in review references and start pontificating on a "wine program?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Feel creepy to me to have to deal with a "wine program." Makes me feel as if I shouldn't partake.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          adamshoe Feb 26, 2009 09:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          How'z about "wine Director"? What do they, call out "CUT!" ,if a wine isn't performing up to standards? adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cayjohan Feb 26, 2009 09:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Zactly. Cay

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kattyeyes Feb 27, 2009 06:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I had to lay off the wine program and join a 12-step program." Like you, Cay, makes me feel as though I shouldn't partake, either! "CUT!" indeed. Merlot? You're outta there. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Passadumkeg Feb 27, 2009 01:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Rachael Raye anything! Raw ! Raw! Raw!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. alkapal Feb 27, 2009 06:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            man, y'all *are* the grumpylicious crowd.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            now, everyone will be afraid to write any review of a restaurant, or describe a food lest they be mocked.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            now... go drink your "happy" KOOL-AID and call me in the morning. ;-). if you cheer up, i'm sure there's money for you somewhere in the new budget's pork (oops, can i say "pork" when it is only "swine-like"?).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Samalicious Feb 27, 2009 06:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              No worries baby, today for lunch I will enjoy my freshly-cut turkey and cheese featuring two nice slices of home-made oven-baked artisinal bread made delish and healthy with lots and lots of garden-fresh veggies and maybe some cooked-to-perfection locally fried potato chips ...followed by a decadent oatmeal cookie and a piece of seasonal fruit. OMG I just made my own skin crawl. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. billieboy Feb 27, 2009 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Just wanted to take a minute to thank you, Adam, for starting this thread. It has been fun and has given me and, I am sure, quite a few others a few good giggles.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Nice to lighten up once in awhile.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. JungMann Feb 27, 2009 07:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The word organic has lost all meaning. It has has far more attributed to it by consumers than is realistic. It's a Harry Potter spell which rids produce of carcinogens, carbon footprints and institutional racism and instead imbues it with a health-enhancing dose of self-righteousness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Moreover "Top Chef" and Gordon Ramsey have done severe disservice to the word "inedible." Little too much salt? Inedible! Medium instead of medium-rare? Inedible! There are now a nation of aspiring reviewers who establish their cred by declaring half of the nation's foodstuffs inedible, or if they deign to eat something delicious, it is automatically "sinful."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                There is a New York-based blog that I came across a bit ago, whose writing not only adopts the worst of these overused clichés, but adds its own, while flaunting its publication in a major newspaper. Among the more aggravating words/malapropisms:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "mated" - as in "the porkiness of the sausage mated with the sticky syrup"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "velvety" - as in "my juicy burger meat was velvety"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "morsel" - (ab)used for everything from gougères to sub sandwiches
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                false populism - affected slang/affixes like 'za or spag don't make for cute or intelligible writing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: JungMann
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Das Ubergeek Feb 27, 2009 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "the porkiness of the sausage mated with the sticky syrup"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Does anyone else hear Inigo Montoya here? "I do not think that word means what you think it means."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    billieboy Feb 27, 2009 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The true meaning of food porn. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JungMann Feb 27, 2009 08:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You don't even know how much. In the context of the latest review, one of the elements of the dishes was "topping" the other before they "mated."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LicketySplit Mar 1, 2009 11:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ah ha ha ha. So bad, it's almost good. Mated...shudder.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Speaking of "topping":

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I blush a little whenever I see the menu option to order a burrito with a "wet topping"...eek.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am guilty of asking for my coffee with "just a kiss" of cream, though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          GodfatherofLunch Mar 2, 2009 05:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Blush? Are you forgetting your handle is LicketySplit? I'm just sayin

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LicketySplit Mar 2, 2009 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Who, me? ::: innocent face :::

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The menu at the local sushi place features something called a "French Kiss Roll". Eel and some other slithery ingredients. I ain't tongue-kissing no freshwater eel, mister! Eww.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              GodfatherofLunch Mar 2, 2009 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Your best bet is to leave that to the pros -- :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                thew Mar 2, 2009 01:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sea eel more your type?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                (would that be an anagophile?)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Feb 27, 2009 09:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        my name is Inigo Montoya. you kill my language. prepare to die ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        those lines JungMann quoted can only be attributed to one person - it must be Danyelle Freeman (aka "Restaurant Girl"). she's awful.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kattyeyes Feb 27, 2009 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hey, ghg! I knew "Restaurant Girl" had to be really bad as I've read references about her writing, um, "style" more than once here on CH. So, I googled and found this. I had to see just how bad it gets. The guy who wrote this article would have had a ball with this thread!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JungMann Feb 27, 2009 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wow, that is absolutely horrendous writing. But it could be worse and that's the wrong tabloid.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet Feb 27, 2009 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i remember reading that Gawker piece a while back. she's definitely not winning a Pulitzer anytime soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cayjohan Feb 27, 2009 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            DU: thanks for the Inigo reference. Priceless. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Perhaps the next food review word should be "inconceivable!" (Lisp while you say t folks...)


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Brilliant, Das. <vbg>

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sfumato Feb 27, 2009 11:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mr. sfumato hates this because in reality, practically everything we can eat is organic, as in "relating or belonging to the class of chemical compounds having a carbon basis."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Sam Fujisaka Feb 27, 2009 08:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Grill master". of course, as a scuba diver I also hate "Dive master".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                danhole Feb 27, 2009 08:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Grill Master." Now is that the new term for the short order cook that fries up your eggs and bacon at the greasy diner? Around these parts we are run amuck with Pit Masters, but some of them actually deserve the honor.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gio Feb 27, 2009 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Danhole..... I'm really not fallowing you around but....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I believe Grill Master refers to a person who is an expert in BBQ grilling.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    danhole Feb 27, 2009 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh Gio, I know that. I was being tongue in cheek!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sam Fujisaka Feb 27, 2009 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, "arm pit master baiter". One and the same.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      danhole Feb 27, 2009 11:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I briefly dated an obnoxious rich guy who I nicknamed the Master Baiter. Arm pit is a nice addition to that noble title.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And to keep this on board with food related items, in college in a small East Tx towm there was a restaurant named the Pit Grill which we affectionaly called the Arm Pit Grill. If you had eaten there 30+ years ago you would know why.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        CocoaNut Feb 27, 2009 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Would that possibly have been Nacogdoches?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          danhole Feb 28, 2009 06:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Close. Jacksonville.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Veggo Feb 27, 2009 03:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sam I don't object to my dive master or dive instructor certifications; it was a lot of work. I do object to being partnered with a beginner diver when I'm paying like everyone else, and I'm expected to waste my dive with a fledgling who can't descend, because I'm a dive master.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    For years now, I just use my original open-water PADI C- card where I'm not known, and go my own way.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sam Fujisaka Feb 27, 2009 05:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Veggo, yo kins be my massa anytime. When I started diving there was no such thing. My buddy and I used to drive up 101 and look down at the kelp beds and say, "That looks good" trudge the gear down and go diving. Merica aint like that anymo.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        c oliver Feb 27, 2009 05:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And probably picked up a few abalone along the way?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Passadumkeg Feb 28, 2009 03:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ditto, just rented at a dive shop w/ no instruction, no certification. Wonder I'm still here in many ways. Last dove in the Baltic near Helsinki. Lost of WWII stuff. Funny , Finnish wet suit no longer zips over stomach. It musta shrunk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          McDonald's commercials.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Scrambletron Feb 27, 2009 01:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Molecular gastronomy, it sounds pedantic and arrogant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        applehome Feb 27, 2009 10:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Everybody says they hate that term - especially the practitioners. But what's the alternative?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Herve This used it as the title to his book, but the book had little to do with the food style. It was indeed about food science, written by a scientist, who wrote about carefully done and recorded scientific experiments and results, proving or disproving cooking folklore. The title fit. But it doesn't fit the modern cuisine of gelees, foams, etcetc...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. 512window Feb 27, 2009 07:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pretentious, imprecise, and bad grammar! Take a perfectly good noun (source) and verb it, when you really mean to say: from a local source.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          adamshoe Feb 27, 2009 08:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          512w, You mean locally sourced, seasonal, sustainable, humane, and delish?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Dont'cha? adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            braniganlee Feb 28, 2009 03:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Panko (followed by explanation)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              512window Feb 28, 2009 11:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Gosh. I probably do. And if some people need to know that about their broccoli, yippee for them. I don't. I don't care if my broccoli was inhumanely raised. I don't know how to verify that it was sustainably raised. I can certainly tell for myself whether it's seasonal. I'd prefer to hear that it's from a farm in Salinas, than that it's "locally sourced."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And you're just baiting me with that delish stuff!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Scargod Feb 28, 2009 02:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You forgot "organically grown". How do we know this and what is the criteria? I'm so used to chemicals....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kattyeyes Feb 28, 2009 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My mom questions this constantly and fairly vocally, too, I might add. She is here and adds, "Organically grown on land that I know used pesticides/insecticides for how many years?!!! Gimme a break!"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    applehome Feb 28, 2009 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We're from the government, we're here to help you:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There is an agency. There is a certification process. But I suppose that's about as comforting as knowing that the SEC regulated the sales of derivatives. If the USDA's National Organic Program does half as good a job, we're probably eating poison as we speak.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. alkapal Feb 28, 2009 03:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                here is the new, emerging ethos for menus:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "meat, cooked" or better... simply: "protein"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                or "animal, vegetable, mineral."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                here is the vanguard in reviewing:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "the restaurant served food. i ate it. some food i liked. some food i did not like."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i think the endless listing of ingredients and techniques on a menu arose in direct proportion to *certain* diners asking about all the particulars of a dish. i mean, aren't most of us food lovers just a wee bit "picky"? ("is that shrimp tailed or not?")

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Doreen Feb 28, 2009 05:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am so tired of "rustic" being used in a cutsy fashion. What they really mean is "home cooking"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. billieboy Feb 28, 2009 05:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I heard another one just this morning. Oooey Gooey as applied to a dessert. Reminds me of something I stepped in once.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet Feb 28, 2009 06:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      doesn't Paula Deen have some "Ooey Gooey" recipes? i'm sure her fan base is sufficiently large to perpetuate the use of that term.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        alkapal Feb 28, 2009 07:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        gooey butter cake.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kattyeyes Feb 28, 2009 01:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Large enough"--right, think about that on a couple of levels with all the butter in her recipes! ;) Both "large" and "wide" come to mind on more than one level here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Scargod Feb 28, 2009 02:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm man enough and large enough for any of her recipes! Let's get good and ooey gooey! I'm ready to cook! Director, where's the recipe? Makeup!.....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          danhole Feb 28, 2009 07:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oooey Gooey remind me of a baby with a bad cold, or a baby with a messy diaper! Not something I want in a dessert, either way!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. chicaraleigh Feb 28, 2009 06:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If someone entered this already, I apologize for the duplication but last night I heard a commercial touting McD's biscuits - the term they used was "scratch made". I don't know why but it just struck me as being wrong - especially for anything coming from a fast food chain....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh, and another one I hate seeing is "better than Mom's"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Feb 28, 2009 06:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "scratch made"???? That doesn't even make sense!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chicaraleigh Feb 28, 2009 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i didn't think so either...."scratch" to me denotes some something bad - as in "chicken scratch"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              obviously a take on "made from scratch" but that has never really sounded very appealing to me either...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                coll Feb 28, 2009 01:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe they scratch themselves while making it?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kattyeyes Feb 28, 2009 01:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Euuuw--scratch that! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    c oliver Feb 28, 2009 02:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My family (in Atlanta) used the term "scratch biscuits."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      alkapal Mar 1, 2009 04:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "scratch biscuits" i knew from my southern side of the family, for sure. but, really, we just called them biscuits.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      here is the origin of the idiom "start from scratch" : http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/st...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. thew Mar 1, 2009 02:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ethnic and authentic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            but y'all knew i was going to say that anyway

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              adamshoe Mar 1, 2009 03:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              oooh....good ones. But, you can't spell "authentic" without e, t,h,n,i & c!! ;) adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                thew Mar 1, 2009 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                cant spell authentic w/out tuna itch

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                or hi, eat c**t, but that's a different sort of internet site

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  adamshoe Mar 1, 2009 04:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tuna itch! I love it.. Might have to be my new screen name. Just have to come up with a great avatar.... adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LicketySplit Mar 1, 2009 11:30 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And, the absolute skull-clutcher:


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet Mar 2, 2009 06:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                don't forget scrummy. aaarrrgh!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LicketySplit Mar 2, 2009 10:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ooh, you did NOT go there! Aaargh, is right. Scrummy takes the cake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also flinch at:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Those words just sound so...slobbery. Or like someone talking with their mouth full.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And speaking of slobber:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  someone "drooling" over a recipe description, or a food photo. Eww!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This thread is great for Monday morning crabbiness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. revsharkie Mar 2, 2009 07:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm sure someone has already mentioned this...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I get it. Some lawyer somewhere said, "You can't say 'homemade,' because it was made in the restaurant kitchen, not someone's home." Whatever. Come up with a new term.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  adamshoe Mar 2, 2009 08:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, rev, I think you're the first to mention this. Someone referred to "home made", but, here in CA you cant call it that in a restaurant. adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LicketySplit Mar 2, 2009 09:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Housemade. Yeah, that one gets to me, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not knowing much about what goes on in restaurant culture (other than me stuffing the ol' pie hole), I wasn't aware of the expressions "front of the house" and "back of the house" until very recently. So the "housemade" thing puzzled me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Now that I know a little better, I get it, but it still sounds not-right to my ear.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What would be a better term? There's gotta be one, but I'm drawing a blank.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      coll Mar 3, 2009 02:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Made on premises? Not catchy, but not obnoxious. Or, Made by Our World Famous Chef ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Mar 3, 2009 07:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        the homemade/house-made discussion reminded me of another one...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        what the heck is that supposed to mean?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          alkapal Mar 3, 2009 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          oh ghg, don't ya know it means made with *extra* lovin' care?!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ....unless, of course, you're from a dysfunctional household, and then it means "thrown together from a couple of cans and put on the stove for a few minutes before being slopped on a cold plate."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          either way, "it's mmm-mmmm good!" http://www.dept56retirees.com/images/sv/mmmmgood.jpg

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            revsharkie Mar 3, 2009 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "put on the stove"? Nah. If it's a really dysfunctional household, no one knows how to turn on the stove. Put it in the microwave.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LicketySplit Mar 3, 2009 01:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Made by Our World Famous Chef"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh, you--!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Or: Cooked to Perfection by Our World Famous Chef. ;-p

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (I love this goofy thread.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            billieboy Mar 3, 2009 01:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "(I love this goofy thread.)"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Me too. It is fun.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was going to mention Homestyle as substitute for Home Cooking, but it is not original by any means. There must be thousands of places called "Homestyle Restaurant" and every one I have ever been in is a greasy spoon...:-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lergnom Mar 3, 2009 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't like jargon that's more complicated than the original. As in "break down the protein" for cut up or butcher the fish, chicken, pork, beef. Some jargon makes sense as in "plating," which succinctly describes the act of putting food on a plate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet Mar 3, 2009 03:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i'm with you on "break down the protein," it's unnecessarily pretentious.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        adamshoe Mar 3, 2009 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        'Break down the protein" Great Punk Band name!! On a double bill appearing with "rage against the machine" ;) adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          alkapal Mar 4, 2009 02:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "break down the protein" -- tom petty, chef

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Das Ubergeek Mar 4, 2009 07:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gonna break down
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            All of my protein
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gonna put it
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Back in the fridge
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Since the commis
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Is back on a smoke break
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I've got to
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Chop my own mise
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And I'm free... free Gaulin'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Mar 4, 2009 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              O. M. G. That's brilliant! LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. kattyeyes Mar 3, 2009 04:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Brekkie" or "breffus" for breakfast. I've never seen "breffus" written, but I sure have heard it spoken. UGH!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            adamshoe Mar 3, 2009 05:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am guilty of saying "breffus", but not in mixed company; only between me and the SO. It's because the town across the river from where I grew up, New Brunswick NJ, was often referred to by many African Americans (as well as white peeps) as New Brunfus or New Brumswit, or just Brunfus, so Breffus was just a logical extension of said pronunciation. BTW, Mario Batali used to make strombolis @ Stuff yer Face in either New or North Brunfus (somewhere on rt. 18....) before he was super-Mario. adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Passadumkeg Mar 4, 2009 02:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Go Zebras!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Das Ubergeek Mar 4, 2009 07:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I grew up in Woodbridge and we used to call the county seat "New Breakfast" -- well, that was the politest thing we called it anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Passadumkeg Mar 4, 2009 01:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  New Bungus in my youth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bon Jovi and I are Sayreville Boys

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We enjoy eating on Main St. Woodbridge & South River and Latin food in "Pert" when we visit. Fords Ave. and Highland Park too. Lots of chowhounding when we visit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. alkapal Mar 4, 2009 02:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              bake "off"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sauté "off"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              sear "off"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              anything "off" -- except maybe "rinse off."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 07:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Uh-oh, I am now in trouble. We used to get a group of about eight total and would do the "Great American Wok-off," with 4 flaming woks, and the guys (the male members of the group to clarify) doing the slicing, the dicing and egg-roll wrapping.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gotta' mend my ways,


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  alkapal Mar 11, 2009 06:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bill hunt, now if you invite me, i can *overlook* the "off" aspect of "wok-off." plus, my objection is when the "off" is used simply as an unnecessary addition to the preceding verb, whereas *your* "off" usage is descriptive, as denoting a contest. like the "pillsbury bake-off"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  so....when's the next wok-off? ;-).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Scargod Mar 11, 2009 10:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was always taught that the most important part of the process was how you got "off".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Orchid64 Mar 7, 2009 03:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree about "mouth feel" when applied to food (rather than wine, which is where the term originated). It's just a pretentious way of saying "texture".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also am tired of "umami" instead of "meaty" or "savory" or any use of a Japanese word where there is a perfectly adequate English word. I think people are mainly using such words as a means of excluding less "in the know" people or trying to show off.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    thew Mar 7, 2009 04:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    orchid -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i don't quite agree with either of those. mouthfeel is a subset of texture. umami is a specific taste, chemically, with it's own set of taste buds, and a cortical map, just like sweet or salty. It is now the accepted word for that 5th taste. savory is a much more general word, as is meaty.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      RGC1982 Mar 7, 2009 06:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am so in favor of voting for "mouth feel" -- except that "brighten
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      or "bright" when used to explain why you want to add fresh herbs to a dish at the end of cooking bothers me more. How in heaven's name can you BRIGHTEN a taste?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        adamshoe Mar 7, 2009 07:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RGC: you 'Brighten" a taste by "kicking it up a notch" ;) adam

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          cuccubear Mar 9, 2009 08:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BAM! Let's "Turn up the volume on this pork..."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bill Hunt Mar 10, 2009 07:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not so keen on banning "mouthfeel." It works in place of "texture" in a lot of wine reviews, and can be instrumental in wine-food pairings. Let's let the winos keep this one, please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Now for many of the others - "off with their heads!"


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Grilled to perfection".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. cdnexpat Mar 10, 2009 07:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've often thought about terrible writing about art, and thought collecting a compendium would make a great coffee table book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Now I'm wondering the same thing about the purple prose in food writing! Especially given that most cookbooks tend to be giant, hard-cover photo catalogues destined for coffee tables anyway. Anyone with me on this?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            cuccubear Mar 10, 2009 09:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Some of my favorite food books aren't cook books. They don't have pictures at all. I like reading about food and don't necessarily need recipes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              cdnexpat Mar 10, 2009 10:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Then I take it you would be a customer of the "The Best(worst) Purple Prose in Food Writing" book?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: cookbooks, I was making a gross generalization. No insult intended to anyone who loves (or doesn't) cookbooks with/without photographs and/or attendant recipes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. cuccubear Mar 10, 2009 12:53 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Everything is “Tuscan”...Tuscan artisan bread, Tuscan herbs, Tuscan chicken, flavored like the bounty of Tuscany, blah, blah, blah...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think what “cheeses” me off the most about these words we’re talking about is that once upon a time they had real meaning. They _meant_ what they mean.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Unique begets Trendy begets Commercial begets Dreck...It happens all the time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Mar 10, 2009 01:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Trendy. There's another one. <vbg>

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                cuccubear Mar 10, 2009 01:50 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just goes to show that words get so ingrained in our everyday vocab, we don't even realize we're using them. Like, you know?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Mar 10, 2009 01:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oooh - my mother HATES the "like, you know..." phrase. And unfortunately, despite being a half century old, I've picked it up and use it occasionally in my speaking voice. Arrrrgggghhhh.... I consciously have to try and remember NOT to say it.