598863 Tue Feb 24 07:04:43 -0800 2009 86 33 Food Media and News 0 4446971 I had not seen this come up and wondered if anyone had opinions on Mario's cursing in front of the King and Queen of Spain: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/restaurants/story/913305.html Personally, I would like to think I'd pick my words better, but it's not as bad as the apparent rampant table hopping happening, even to and from the King and Queen's table (where the Governor of Florida was allegedly seated, not the whole time! Caveat, I was not there.) I guess this plays into the idea that chefs are irrepressibly and enjoyably profane. Tue Feb 24 07:04:43 -0800 2009 124704 Icantread 1 4447010 to quote another queen, "we are *not* amused." i really like mario, but this was totally inappropriate. is he drinking too much? i thought he drank a lot on that spanish road trip series, as well. mario! DUDE! get a grip!!!! Tue Feb 24 07:13:24 -0800 2009 4446971 105717 alkapal 2 4447128 If you read "Heat", Buford writes how Mario and Joe Bastianich would go through a case of wine between them. Batali's a trained professional. Tue Feb 24 07:45:08 -0800 2009 4447010 202198 ferret 3 4447143 Heat is great! I couldn't keep up with him but would love to try for a couple of hours! Tue Feb 24 07:48:10 -0800 2009 4447128 131001 c oliver 3 4447154 a trained professional wine drinker? ;-). a disciplined professional would not get drunk, make a fool of himself, and embarrass guests with his f-bombs -- as MC, no less! it was *very* irresponsible of him, and i'd bet he ain't proud. Tue Feb 24 07:50:37 -0800 2009 4447128 105717 alkapal 4 4447193 He is a professional chef and media "personality", not a professional MC. I doubt he is embarrassed by his language. Tue Feb 24 08:02:04 -0800 2009 4447154 10195 KTinNYC 5 4447238 he was an mc *there*. he should've acted professionally. he probably wasn't embarrassed at the time -- because -- apparently -- he was too drunk to realize that he was making an ass of himself. and i'm sorry that it happened. as i said, i like him...... Tue Feb 24 08:13:25 -0800 2009 4447193 105717 alkapal 6 4447258 I agree. Probably won't be asked to do something like that again - no matter how big a celeb. I love the guy but that was too much. Tue Feb 24 08:17:10 -0800 2009 4447238 131001 c oliver 6 4447330 I can hire my plumber to cook my dinner but I wouldn't expect him to do a great job. We'll have to agree to disagree. Tue Feb 24 08:39:40 -0800 2009 4447238 10195 KTinNYC 5 4447351 I don't see a reason to be embarrassed. It isn't like he punched someone - he just used some words that, for no rational reason have been designated as bad by some people but are a common and acceptable part of other people's vocabulary. Tue Feb 24 08:45:58 -0800 2009 4447193 144892 Dan G 6 4447369 "weaself**ker" is a common (well, common as in not very nice) and acceptable part of what people's vocabulary??? I can use the F-word with great aplomp I believe but I certainly pick my audience. Come on, Dan G, you don't really believe that, do you? Tue Feb 24 08:49:48 -0800 2009 4447351 131001 c oliver 7 4447451 Fact is if it had been Paula Deen or Rachel Ray who said such a thing in the same context, they would be called classless and no one would excuse it. It's because it's Mario Batali (who I am a fan of), some people are excusing it. I am a great believer in the f-word and use it more often than the average bear, but if I was in that situation, I would not have had more than one glass of wine before my duties were fulfilled and I would not have used the F-word in the situation. Tue Feb 24 09:10:30 -0800 2009 4447369 11990 Janet from Richmond 8 4447459 Really? I actually would expect that from Paula Deen and I'm sure she would grab more than Andres' butt. Tue Feb 24 09:14:37 -0800 2009 4447451 10195 KTinNYC 8 4454054 Well Paula Deen's pants fell down to mid thigh in her presentation, and RAchael ray was all over tmz.com for all the boozing she was doing there. Seems like the kids haven't grown up yet. Thu Feb 26 08:56:09 -0800 2009 4447451 165021 Firegoat 4 4448004 Mario not in the least bit embarrassed. "It's all over the blogs,'' Batali said of his f-bomb outburst. 'Some people are saying nasty things about me. But those people don't need me to say `f---' to go on a blog and say nasty things.'' King Juan Carlos is too cool to have been offended, he said. ''He's heard the word before. I'm sure he didn't care,'' Batali said. ``It must have been a slow news day.'' http://www.miamiherald.com/living/food/wine/story/918420.html Tue Feb 24 11:39:43 -0800 2009 4447154 10195 KTinNYC 5 4448021 Well, he's disappointed me :( Tue Feb 24 11:43:15 -0800 2009 4448004 131001 c oliver 6 4450123 Me too c oliver. Wed Feb 25 04:48:12 -0800 2009 4448021 11990 Janet from Richmond 5 4448054 Sounds like rationalization on his part to make himself feel better. Or maybe he just doesn't care. But when others who attended the function said they visibly saw Queen Sofia recoil at what he said, it definitely offended someone. Tue Feb 24 11:50:50 -0800 2009 4448004 10532 LindaWhit 6 4448329 Much ado about nothing. I wonder if we can get MPW and Gordon Ramsey to MC next year? Tue Feb 24 12:55:11 -0800 2009 4448054 253154 Fritter 7 4448354 "Much ado about nothing." ~~~~~~~~~~ Your opinion. I think the setting warranted a good bit more respect for the attendees. Tue Feb 24 12:59:31 -0800 2009 4448329 10532 LindaWhit 8 4450141 frankly i think the setting would've warranted more respect for the attendees even had they just been me. don't know if that makes me a prude or not but it just seems ridiculously inappropriate and part of the general decreasing of class in society. and i do curse. and i think if you met me you'd quickly notice i'm not a prude. personally i never loved him but i never held anything against him either. this is way worse in my book than saying dude or money. while cooking is great, class is even more important in my book. Wed Feb 25 05:00:25 -0800 2009 4448354 99136 AMFM 9 4457343 Why do people who just had the good luck to be born in the right family deserve any more respect than anyone else? Geez, didn't we fight a revolution over this a few centuries back? Down with royalty in all its forms--especially the Bush dynasty! Fri Feb 27 08:10:20 -0800 2009 4450141 100412 newhavener07 10 4457385 I treat everyone (almost) with respect whether they are royalty or not. Would be a nicer world if we all did the same. Fri Feb 27 08:23:39 -0800 2009 4457343 251167 billieboy 10 4457686 It's not MORE respect. It's respect in general. And Mario didn't give any. To anyone in the room. Fri Feb 27 09:40:48 -0800 2009 4457343 10532 LindaWhit 3 4456219 I read that, and wondered at the time if he was a bit over the top. Not that I wouldn't be given his circimstances and exposure. That said, come on Mario, why you gota curse i ront of the queen? It's just so rude... Thu Feb 26 19:34:19 -0800 2009 4447128 105625 EWSflash 1 4447123 I would love to get drunk together with Mario. It would be a hoot!!! Tue Feb 24 07:43:44 -0800 2009 4446971 251167 billieboy 2 4456226 Ditto that! Just as long as the queen isn't there... Thu Feb 26 19:36:19 -0800 2009 4447123 105625 EWSflash 1 4447219 Mario is a star chef. No one has ever commented upon his decorum, that I know of. I'd say that was not a great occasion to tie one on, especially since he was the MC. I'm guessing, whatever he has or has not said about the incident, his face is as red as his hair right about now. Tue Feb 24 08:08:31 -0800 2009 4446971 52499 ChefJune 1 4447292 People seem to be taking this way too seriously. Jose Andres IS a motherf*ing great chef, and I have little doubt that the people in the room who wouldn't shut up were "weasel f*wads". Somehow I suspect that the King and Queen's delicate sensibilities have recovered by now. www.foodforthoughtmiami.com Tue Feb 24 08:28:29 -0800 2009 4446971 35525 Frodnesor 1 4447429 I, myself, do think his behavior was innappropriate...BUT I also think it's very funny! He must've had a few drinks to loosen up, but had one or two too many! Innappropriate but not inexcusable Tue Feb 24 09:06:05 -0800 2009 4446971 174753 NellyNel 1 4447478 Well, he's not a well behaved drunk. inexcusable; that's what happen when stars a made by others. Tue Feb 24 09:19:31 -0800 2009 4446971 11828 Maximilien 1 4447557 Well, now that we've gotten a round in, I would like to point out from the article that this was a $1,000 a person dinner. The King and Queen of Spain were there, as was the Governor of Florida. Mario Batali acted innapropriately. If it were Rachel Ray I would have been shocked as hell. His intentions, however were quite correct. If I were paying $2000, I would like to hear Mario, and Jose Andres afterwards speak unhindered. I wish he would have belittled the people who apparently did not have the class to sit a $1000 a person affair properly in a more subtle and piercing way. Still, hooray and a little shame to Mario. Tue Feb 24 09:37:51 -0800 2009 4446971 124704 Icantread 2 4448061 I don't think it's surprising that he would let the word out. I'm a little surprised that with his having lived in Spain and following his PBS special where his love for the food, people and culture was apparent, didn't have a little more forethought considering who the guests were. Tue Feb 24 11:53:42 -0800 2009 4447557 46008 markabauman 1 4448066 Hey, waddya expect from a guy who used to cook stromboli at a place called Stuff Yer Face in New Brunswick, NJ. Fuggetaboutit. Tue Feb 24 11:54:41 -0800 2009 4446971 93538 Passadumkeg 2 4448091 Maybe it's the fact his father was an engineer at Boeing. You KNOW how engineers are! Or that he went to college at Rutgers. Oooh, that Yankee influence! Bad boy. Tue Feb 24 11:59:52 -0800 2009 4448066 131001 c oliver 3 4448108 You can take the boy out of Jersey... Tue Feb 24 12:04:14 -0800 2009 4448091 10195 KTinNYC 4 4448169 Actually I think he grew up in Seattle. Tue Feb 24 12:15:53 -0800 2009 4448108 131001 c oliver 5 4448194 Yes, mostly Seattle, 3 years in Spain and then college in NJ. But 3 years in Jersey is like 15 years in other regions. Tue Feb 24 12:23:41 -0800 2009 4448169 10195 KTinNYC 6 4448216 Ah, I see. Good think to know :) Tue Feb 24 12:29:48 -0800 2009 4448194 131001 c oliver 6 4449315 Yo KT, don't MAKE me have to come over there and kneecap you!! ;) Former Jerseyite, but been in CA for 24 years so I've lost some (but not all) of my East Coastiness. I met Mario decades ago when he was a room-mate of a dear friend (also a Rutgers alum) in SF on Haight St. Used to eat his "bolis" @ stuff yer face, but didn't know him in NJ. He worked for Bon Appetit catering in SF and I was lucky enough to be invited to a Christmas dinner that he, his girlfriend, and the other room-mate who worked for BA cooked and orchestrated. Even in 1985, he had it going on- still, he shouldn't have dropped the f-bomb in front of the King and Queen. A little decorum would've been nice. Someone who was actually born and raised in Jersey would never fu*?ing say that in front of a Queen. adam Tue Feb 24 17:44:22 -0800 2009 4448194 154787 adamshoe 7 4449380 Go Scarlet Knights!!! Mr Magoo Tue Feb 24 18:12:21 -0800 2009 4449315 93538 Passadumkeg 3 4448221 Watch it!, Me mum's a Rutgers Alum! Google Fat Trucks. Tue Feb 24 12:30:31 -0800 2009 4448091 93538 Passadumkeg 4 4449387 he should apologize Tue Feb 24 18:14:38 -0800 2009 4448221 177237 sugarsnapp 1 4453690 I brought it up on the thread about his tour in Spain with Gwyneth Paltrow. I like Batali, but you need to wonder about his need to call attention to himself. Thu Feb 26 07:02:47 -0800 2009 4446971 90359 PattiCakes 2 4456232 PattiCakes, I couldn't agree more. Love the man, but...gosh, is there room for another ego the size of his in any given room? Thu Feb 26 19:39:17 -0800 2009 4453690 105625 EWSflash 1 4456075 i honestly could not give less of a sh*t. there is no bad language. only tightly wound people Thu Feb 26 18:34:24 -0800 2009 4446971 135229 thew 2 4456080 really? would you want your kids to talk like that? because i have a 6 and a 2 year old and it has nothing to do with tightly wound. it has to do with appropriate. it's not. Thu Feb 26 18:36:50 -0800 2009 4456075 99136 AMFM 3 4456126 i have a kid. he's 4. my opinion is unchanged. edit to add: - not that it is necessarily relevant - how many kids do you think there were at $1000 a plate dinner? Thu Feb 26 18:54:16 -0800 2009 4456080 135229 thew 4 4456192 thew, would you cuss like a sailor at a job interview? (for which you were the hiree) Now I love me a good f-bomb, dickhe@d, sh!tbrain, etc, but there is a time and place. This was not the time or place. Just sayin' adam Thu Feb 26 19:23:50 -0800 2009 4456126 154787 adamshoe 5 4456218 Mario, wasn't at a job interview. He was, for the most part, amongst friends. Thu Feb 26 19:34:18 -0800 2009 4456192 10195 KTinNYC 5 4456233 not the time or place? why? because there was (gasp) people deemed superior because of their bloodline? now THAT i find offensive. and at a job interview, i would act exactly like myself. Thu Feb 26 19:39:46 -0800 2009 4456192 135229 thew 6 4457246 They are not superior because of their bloodline. Yes, centuries of heritage and culture do factor in, something us Americans cannot always grasp in our young nation, but the real issue here is relevance. The vulgarity was unnecessary. The king and queen of Spain are still two very important figureheads of the free world and should be treated with respect. Fri Feb 27 07:43:35 -0800 2009 4456233 124704 Icantread 7 4457306 why should the be treated with any more respect than anyone else? why do they deserve more respect than the guy who is going to clear the plates when that $1000 a plate dinner is over? It is not that i cannot grasp these feelings about nobility and aristocracy, it is that I grasp them all too well, and find them, especially as an american, to be completely offensive concepts. That is exactly the idea this "young nation" was founded to counter - that bloodlines or divine right are nonsense, and do not bestow any special rights or respect to anyone. everyone deserves to be treated with respect. and again to be clear- throwing children into the argument was a red herring, as this was not a children's event. Fri Feb 27 08:00:39 -0800 2009 4457246 135229 thew 8 4457763 I wouldn't say weaselfu**er in front of my bus boy either Fri Feb 27 09:59:39 -0800 2009 4457306 165021 Firegoat 8 4457858 You said it thew..."everyone deserves to be treated with respect" Hence the OP Fri Feb 27 10:21:48 -0800 2009 4457306 251167 billieboy 4 4456206 i don't think there were likely many but... i don't want to explain to my curious 6 year old what f--- means yet. i don't think that makes me tightly wound. because believe me she would ask. now my 2 year old would just say it over and over and over - in fact his current favorite phrase is "poopy dummy" - nice, i know. but she'd want to know what it means. and really it's not that respectful or kind to her to either lie to her OR to tell her. so sometimes grownups just need to control themselves. why is it so difficult or demeaning just to be respectful of other people? why must the problem be with them? by the way i laughed at many lines on top chef this year and don't get up in arms about much but some things are over the top. and i think the people who wouldn't quiet down (to whom he was talking) were rude too. Thu Feb 26 19:29:18 -0800 2009 4456126 99136 AMFM 5 4456757 My daughter teaches 5th grade in a very upscale school district. Try teaching a class of 28 kids when you have 4 or 5 whose parents have taught them to "act exactly as themselves" and not understand that there is a time and place for certain behaviors -- for that matter, try being the other 24 kids who are trying to learn. If someone used the F bomb when I were interviewing them for a job, they wouldn't get the job. I need to know that they understand how to work respectfully with others and put our company's best foot forward when dealing with clients. I'm not saying that they can't EVER drop the bomb, but I need to know that THEY know there is a time and a place. Either the wine or Mario's ego erased his understanding of that concept, and the timing was unfortunate. Fri Feb 27 03:49:25 -0800 2009 4456206 90359 PattiCakes 2 4456315 So respect means nothing to you? Because that's what Mario didn't do - he didn't bother to give respect to anyone in the room. How hard would it have been? Thu Feb 26 20:16:09 -0800 2009 4456075 10532 LindaWhit 1 4456766 It's the f#cking f-word? Who f#cking cares. Is royalty allergic to it? Why does everyone feel the need to protect these kinds of people. It was funny and just words. I'm way more upset that Hsea won Top Chef...that is actual BULLSH!T Fri Feb 27 04:06:53 -0800 2009 4446971 166801 rockandrollbbq 2 4457157 I'm not sure where you got the idea that people were trying to protect them. It was a matter of respect and knowing when it is or isn't appropriate to say fuck. The word is part of my vocabulary, but I'm not going to use it in front of the CEO of my company, his wife, a client, my elderly aunt. Not because they haven't heard the word before or need to be protected from it, but because to do so would be highly disrespectful. . First Scenario: The queen [or the President, or a priest, or my mother] walks into a busy restaurant kitchen unexpectedly, and the F bomb is flying around like crazy. No disrespect; you come into a working environment at your own risk. You come into an environment where *F* is a part of the culture, so you need to understand/adapt even it grates on your sensibilities Second Scenario: Same individual, but a formal banquet when honors are being bestowed. Different rules of etiquette apply. The guests are in an environment where a certain decorum is expected. Are those rule silly or old-fashioned or stilted? Yes, perhaps they are, but that doesn't give someone leave to violate them without risking disrespect. I think part of the problem is that Mario ain't no chooch. He's not the sous chef from the kitchen who may not know any better. He's a well traveled, seasoned media professional. Fri Feb 27 07:15:51 -0800 2009 4456766 90359 PattiCakes 2 4457228 I've vowed to never eat in his restaurants again and burned his cook books. :) I agree with rockandrollbbq 100% Fri Feb 27 07:35:54 -0800 2009 4456766 143892 chris2269 1 4457219 Brings to mind the1985 formal Washington DC dinner when the then, Washington Redskins running back, John Riggins got totaled and told Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor who was sitting at his table to "Loosen up, Sandy Baby" right before he passed out. Fri Feb 27 07:34:00 -0800 2009 4446971 108169 Servorg 1 4458300 Funny how this puts Fanta Pants right in the same league as Gordon Ramsay, though the two are apprently feuding. Fri Feb 27 12:04:59 -0800 2009 4446971 12045 gloriousfood 2 4458324 What about? Fri Feb 27 12:11:51 -0800 2009 4458300 10532 LindaWhit 3 4458346 http://nymag.com/daily/food/2009/01/mario_fanta_pants_batali_bans.html Fri Feb 27 12:17:00 -0800 2009 4458324 12045 gloriousfood 4 4458410 I have always liked Mario Batali ...a lot. But his halo is getting tarnished. I may have to switch my affection to Nigella Lawson (if she'll have me) :-) Fri Feb 27 12:36:59 -0800 2009 4458346 251167 billieboy 4 4458415 OK, it was the last comment to that article that finally explained it to me. :-D And if it's TRUE, what does it matter? LOL Fri Feb 27 12:38:02 -0800 2009 4458346 10532 LindaWhit 2 4458390 heh... fanta pants still makes me laugh. Is Ramsey still banned from Fanta pants restaurants? Fri Feb 27 12:30:43 -0800 2009 4458300 165021 Firegoat 3 4458453 Yes, last I heard, though El Gordo extended an invitation to make up over drinks or something like that. Can you imagine El Gordo and Fanta Pants in the same room? I think it's funny how Fanta Pants can curse like a sailor in front of others yet takes offense at being called "Fanta Pants." Methinks he can dish it but can't take it. Then again, who knows, maybe this whole thing was contrived. Wouldn't shock me. Fri Feb 27 12:49:42 -0800 2009 4458390 12045 gloriousfood 1 4458700 because certain people seem to have misunderstood me let me be clear. i don't think this was inappropriate because of royalty present i think it was inappropriate because of the formality of the scenario. i'm not a big fan of cursing in general because to me it is a sign of either a complete loss of control or of poor vocabulary (neither of which particulary impress me). that said i have been known to do it, but in VERY informal comfortable environments with people i know well. to do so in other scenarios i just find rather immature. i certainly did it a lot more when i was younger. i brought up children not because i felt it was relevant to this audience (it likely was not) but in response to the comment that "there are no bad words only tightly wound people" because i actually think there are bad words. if they are words you wouldn't want to explain to your children or have them hear/use then i think they are "bad". so that was why i brought it up. Fri Feb 27 13:53:55 -0800 2009 4446971 99136 AMFM 2 4460243 i understand all your points. and i disagree with them, respectfully. I'm a writer, i have a fairly good vocabulary, and i often "curse" even when i'm in complete control. I don't see age as an issue as i'm rapidly approaching 50, and "curse words" remain in my vocabulary. There is pretty much nothing i wouldn't care to explain to my son, and the main reason i don't want him to use "curse" words is the reactions of others that share your attitude, not because of any fault in the words themselves. I agree not all language is appropriate for every situation, but that has far more to do with, what i see as, outmoded social constructs than anything inherently wrong with the words themselves. Again - one of my main self definitions is "poet" - as such i think words are to be embraced, and used, when they are the right word for the moment. Moving from the general to the specific - i do not see the situation mario was in as one where it was inappropriate or shocking in any way to use them. and just because i mention it, for anyone interested this is the blog where i've been posting poetry as of late: http://neuronautic.blogspot.com/ Sat Feb 28 07:19:12 -0800 2009 4458700 135229 thew 3 4460251 as such i think words are to be embraced, and used, when they are the right word for the moment. Moving from the general to the specific - i do not see the situation mario was in as one where it was inappropriate or shocking in any way to use them. ~~~~~~~~~~ I agree with you, thew, on the first part - words are to be embraced and used when they are right for the moment. But this was not the right moment. And it seems many in the crowd didn't think it was either. You see it differently, as did Mario, obviously. Sat Feb 28 07:24:19 -0800 2009 4460243 10532 LindaWhit 4 4460568 There once was a chef named Batali. Around him, I think we should rally. He was shit out of luck When he said the word "fuck", "cause that word wasn't up the queen's alley. Sat Feb 28 09:43:34 -0800 2009 4460251 90359 PattiCakes 5 4460728 why does the last line make that sound much much "dirtier?" Sat Feb 28 11:02:20 -0800 2009 4460568 135229 thew 5 4460732 Hooray! Are you from Nantucket? Sat Feb 28 11:02:47 -0800 2009 4460568 93538 Passadumkeg 6 4460747 one of the coolest gifts the ex ever gave me was a t-shirt that read "I Am the man from Nantucket" Sat Feb 28 11:08:41 -0800 2009 4460732 135229 thew 7 4462208 see now i think that t shirt is fabulous! :) Sun Mar 01 05:15:49 -0800 2009 4460747 99136 AMFM 8 4462367 yeah. she left me anyway. Sun Mar 01 06:57:18 -0800 2009 4462208 135229 thew 6 4462214 No, but my husband's from Mass. he he Sun Mar 01 05:20:28 -0800 2009 4460732 90359 PattiCakes 3 4460631 fair enough. i agree with words being embraced and i'll just leave it at that or i'll go back and forth forever! Sat Feb 28 10:12:55 -0800 2009 4460243 99136 AMFM 1 4462894 The Spanish monarchy is a joke. Why would anyone need to watch his/her language around them? Certainly no more than one would when speaking to any other aged strangers. He wasn't alone in a private audience, and I'm sure they've heard the word before. This dinner wasn't any formal state dinner--it was a food and wine festival. Festival as in festive, ya know? Sun Mar 01 10:17:45 -0800 2009 4446971 204226 Ideefixed 2 4462928 Why would anyone need to watch his/her language around them? Certainly no more than one would when speaking to any other aged strangers ~~~~~~~ It's been said throughout this thread - how about watching your language out of respect for EVERYONE in attendance, not just the King and Queen of Spain - regardless of whether everyone's heard the word before. "Festive" doesn't mean that inappropriate language should be used. Sun Mar 01 10:30:06 -0800 2009 4462894 10532 LindaWhit 1 4462919 according to the miami paper, when the king was apologized to for mario's foul language he replied "what foul language?" so i guess he didn't have an issue with it, either Sun Mar 01 10:27:42 -0800 2009 4446971 135229 thew 2 4462951 The King seems to have taken the idea behind "Noblesse oblige" to heart, and seems to be practicing it in this case (of Mario's mouth and blood alcohol content running amok on the same track). Sun Mar 01 10:38:31 -0800 2009 4462919 108169 Servorg 3 4464188 i agree that it was noblesse oblige to overlook mario's bad behavior -- or simply "good manners," for all the non-monarchy people. Sun Mar 01 18:04:21 -0800 2009 4462951 105717 alkapal 3 4464268 or perhaps he really just didn't mind. (my post with a quote from the miami herald was cut, so search it out yourself) Sun Mar 01 18:33:35 -0800 2009 4462951 135229 thew 1 4463692 NM Sun Mar 01 15:16:50 -0800 2009 4446971 53259 emerilcantcook