596419 Sun Feb 15 13:37:35 -0800 2009 32 1 San Francisco Bay Area 0 4419666 Tomorrow some friends and I are planning to take a short food road trip, possibly to East or South Bay (but potentially anywhere within a 70 mile radius of SF). We're hoping to eat things that we normally can't eat in San Francisco - or at least at a place that is the best of its type in the Bay Area. We're intrigued by Afghan or Persian food, since it seems like options in San Jose/Fremont areas might be really good, but we'd potentially be open to any kind of food (or even make multiple stops) I found this thread on Persian places in Peninsula - any updates on any of these? http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/380345 And also references to Kabul Restaurant in Sunnyvale and Salang Pass in Fremont. We'll probably be leaving SF around 10 AM and want to return by 3 or 4 PM....so the meal will be lunch. We probably would not want to spend more than $30 per person. We'd be open to other things too if they were really worth the trip - South Indian, Taiwanese, Croatian, Other Middle Eastern, etc. etc. Any ideas? I want to come away from the lunch feeling like it was worth the drive, since I don't get to drive to places like Fremont or San Jose very often. Thanks a lot! Dave MP Sun Feb 15 13:37:35 -0800 2009 21930 Dave MP 1 4419695 To me, Kabul seems on par (or less) then Helmand in SF. I can't speak to any of the Persian places but it does sound more interesting because you hear less about it in NorCal, compared to Afghan. Also, there's, Falafel Drive in in San Jose that I've never been to but is on my list. Seems a bit casual for what you're looking for. A friend mentioned a place, Armenian Gourmet in Sunnyvale. I have no idea if it's good but I've had excellent Armenian food in SoCal and I've always wondered about NorCal. Sun Feb 15 13:53:47 -0800 2009 4419666 27275 ML8000 1 4419997 Helmand Palace is better than Kabul, although I like both. The best thing at Kabul is the kebabs. Worth the trip: Shalizaar in Belmont is like visiting another country, in part because it's filled with elegant expat Persians. Not exactly a stop on a crawl, since it's extremely gracious service and somewhat upscale. Still in your budget though. Also pretty close to the city, and you could hit Harmony in San Carlos while you're in the area for frozen yogurt. Salang Pass in Fremont is good and authentic, as is DeAfghanan, the tiny place across the street with the bread and kabobs. But more if you had some reason to drive that way than really worth an hour each way. I kept hoping for a more distinct looking Afghan neighborhood, but the community has been here 30+ years and is better assimilated than that. I love the falafel and banana shakes at Falafel Drive in but not the pita, and would detour there on your way somewhere else. Taiwainese is worthy of its own separate excursion. Sun Feb 15 16:12:47 -0800 2009 4419666 10966 Windy 2 4420169 Shalizaar looks good. Thanks for the tip. Should we do a Taiwanese excursion instead? Is there anything else I'm not thinking of? Sun Feb 15 17:25:58 -0800 2009 4419997 21930 Dave MP 3 4420377 You could do a Taiwanese excursion another time. Iran and Afghanistan both deserve their own days. (sfbing: deer jerky!) Sun Feb 15 18:52:47 -0800 2009 4420169 10966 Windy 4 4420605 Deer jerky: Some people don't like it, but I love all forms of jerky. It is a little sweet, covered in sesame seeds and chile flakes. Kind of woody in texture, so your jaw gets a good work out without talking. There has to be something in that store that would suit your fancy, though. She said they pickle their own mangos and guava and other weird fruity things. Sun Feb 15 20:49:06 -0800 2009 4420377 237172 sfbing 3 4425477 I've never had Korean in SF that matched Oakland or San Jose - I've only really been to brother's - but that's probably a different trip, and you should likely do oakland. Tue Feb 17 11:55:16 -0800 2009 4420169 54804 bbulkow 2 4420663 My one meal at Salang Pass last year was much better than anytime I ate at the old Helmand (many times before they closed). I haven't been to the Helmand Palace. The kadoo was not as sugary sweet, the aushak was much superior. The lamb shank with eggplant was really flavorful, and there was another dish with some kind of greens which also had more vibrant flavor and spicing. I left there feeling like it was the first time I had ever eaten real Afghan food. Sun Feb 15 21:40:57 -0800 2009 4419997 14617 Armoise 1 4420170 Salang Pass is a nice sit down restaurant. Their lamb, borani kadoo (spicy pumpkin), aushak (dumplings--they keep telling me they're derived from Chinese food for some reason), faloodeh (rice noodles in a rose water dessert) are particularly good. No matter how much we eat at Salang Pass, no one can resist going to De Afghanan for bolani and more kebabs to go. I think the bolani is much better at De Afghanan. There is also an Afghan grocery store next door to Salang Pass with fresh bread in the back. Fremont's kind of a dead town, though. We usually plan around a hike or fruit picking, but tomorrow is going to be ugly weatherwise, I think. If you head off to San Jose, no matter what you decide for your main meal, you can stop off in Grand Century Mall for snacks and stuff to take home--the food court has a lot of different random Vietnamese dishes. Sugarcane drinks, shakes, banh xeo with a huge plate of herbs and mustard greens on the side, coconut shrimp cakes (I can't remember the name, but they're pretty popular) are my favorites. The snack place on the end of the mall has better deer jerky, pickled guava, pickled mango, etc than the one closer to the middle, although they are kind of pushy about overloading your orders sometimes. Way, way better than the stuff at Lee's in SF. Also, I think the bakery at the front is cranking out fresh pandan waffles. Sun Feb 15 17:26:19 -0800 2009 4419666 237172 sfbing 2 4421489 I love the Korma Challow at Salang Pass, a complex tomato sauce based dish with chicken or lamb, served over rice. I like the chicken kebab at De Afghanan most, I find it the most moist of all their offerings. Their bolani is huge! Mon Feb 16 08:53:02 -0800 2009 4420170 11940 DezzerSF 3 4504320 link Sat Mar 14 09:36:22 -0700 2009 4421489 10264 rworange 1 4420625 If you head down the Peninsula you'll pass Kabul Afghan Restaurant in San Carlos, which in my opinion is superior to the (unrelated) Kabul Afghan in Sunnyvale on El Camino. Sun Feb 15 21:05:37 -0800 2009 4419666 119624 charliemyboy 1 4423803 NOTE: DaveMP has reposted his Vietnamese Snack Food Crawl in San Jose report, at http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/597001 -- THE CHOWHOUND TEAM Mon Feb 16 22:47:22 -0800 2009 4419666 21930 Dave MP 2 4423810 Thanks for the report back! I'm glad to hear that you went with Vietnamese - a much better bet for something different than San Francisco than the Afghan places, I think. Do consider South Indian for cuisines in the future. It's another cuisine where the South Bay gives you a whole different set of options than does San Francisco. Michael Mon Feb 16 22:51:33 -0800 2009 4423803 10707 mdg 2 4423848 Glad you had a good time at Century, even if the stands were a bit hit and miss. if I had known that you were going to eat mostly in San Jose, I would've also suggested nearby Bun Bo Hue An Nam, for their Bun Bo Hue with or without penis. It is really good--spicy with chunks of blood, pigs feet, beef leg, tendon, but not too offally. Comes with the traditional shaved banana blossom and without the inch thick layer of red grease. But if you had gone there, there probably would've been limited stomach room for the food court, so never mind. You should definitely try Salang Pass and De Afghanan on your next road trip. I wonder if one's stomach could take combining them with a side trip to San Jose? Thanks for the tip on Harmony-the SF yogurt places don't sound nearly as good. Mon Feb 16 23:38:57 -0800 2009 4423803 237172 sfbing 3 4504326 link 2 Sat Mar 14 09:38:18 -0700 2009 4423848 10264 rworange 3 4510033 I have to second Bun Bo Hue An Nam, best BBH I've had, and probably one of the best Vietnamese soups even. Mon Mar 16 13:01:45 -0700 2009 4423848 11940 DezzerSF 1 4430377 Afghan: De Afghanan Kabob House, Fremont Persian: Shalizaar, Belmont (no question) Ethiopian: Zeni, San Jose (I've been to 9 Ethiopian restaurants and this was the best BY FAR) Turkish: New Kapadokia, Redwood City Middle Eastern: Gourmet Express, Milpitas (weekday lunch only) Pakistani/Middle Eastern: Gulzaar, San Jose Indian sit down or buffet: Turmeric, Sunnyvale Armenian Gourmet was very mediocre in my one visit. Wed Feb 18 17:50:53 -0800 2009 4419666 10992 katya 2 4430805 Have you been to the De Afghanan Kabob locations in SF and Berkeley? How do they compare? Wed Feb 18 20:09:16 -0800 2009 4430377 21930 Dave MP 3 4430867 SF's was not as good as my memory of Fremont's chapli kabob. Wed Feb 18 20:23:23 -0800 2009 4430805 10039 Melanie Wong 3 4430963 I agree. Fremont is better than SF. I thought the chicken was drier here. Although, it will do in a pinch. Wed Feb 18 20:53:59 -0800 2009 4430805 237172 sfbing 3 4432530 I've only been to the Fremont location. It's pretty much the opposite of where you'd go for a business lunch (i.e. it's a dive), but the chapli kabob (beef patties) and bolani (potato bread) are to die for. Katya's Afghan rankings 1. De Afghanan, Fremont 2. Helmand Palace, San Francisco (I last went when it was The Helmand; I used to love their lunch buffet) 3. Kabul, San Carlos 4. Kabul, Sunnyvale 5. Salang Pass, Fremont 6. Pamir, Emeryville (food court) 7. Kabob Afghan & Persian Cuisine, Sunnyvale Thu Feb 19 10:38:03 -0800 2009 4430805 10992 katya 4 4435769 I wanna testify for Pamir. But I also have to admit near total ignorance of Afghani cuisine. I do not recommend the food court slop they feature in their hot table buckets. Nothing wrong with that, per se. It is what it is. But I have found that ordering from their menu (or off the menu, go ahdead and challenge them) yields much better food. Check out their chicken biryani, for instance. Generous servings, and in the case of the biryani, be prepared for some spice -- which I really appreciate. Fri Feb 20 09:20:55 -0800 2009 4432530 261092 BernalKC 5 4436012 On Yelp I still gave my last ranked restaurant, Kabob Afghan & Persian Cuisine three stars (though it was mostly because the Persian food was okay - the Afghan kadoo was a disaster). I know I ranked Pamir second to last, but it's really a pretty good option for a food court. Fri Feb 20 10:21:34 -0800 2009 4435769 10992 katya 4 4505782 De Afghanan has an SF branch on Polk St, and another in berserkley on Univ. Ave (they have a web site for the specifics, and their menus). I think the selection in the northern outposts might be simplified--they both qualify as 'hole in wall'. We had a very tasty meal at the Polk St. location; good flavours, nice portions and reasonable prices. Sat Mar 14 20:45:00 -0700 2009 4432530 11012 moto 5 4509809 What did you have at the Polk St. location? I think I'm going there tonight....I ate there once quite a while ago but don't remember exactly what I had. Dave MP Mon Mar 16 12:08:17 -0700 2009 4505782 21930 Dave MP 6 4510985 appetizers--sauteed pumpkin, sauteed eggplant. One main course--mantu. Plenty of the fresh, delicious flat bread, and I think the tea was complimentary. The quantity was just right for two of us to be comfortable with room for dessert. Feeling satisfied from eating moderately was probably partly from the yoghurt, which gives a richness similar to the heavy cream in continental food, without the heaviness. Mon Mar 16 17:06:45 -0700 2009 4509809 11012 moto 6 4511079 Potato bolani, chicken kebab, mantu, borani kadoo. But definitely the bolani. Mon Mar 16 17:32:56 -0700 2009 4509809 237172 sfbing 3 4433060 The De Afghanan in Berkeley is good, but the food's no better than Helmand Palace in SF. These days I'd go to Zaki over De Afghanan. Probably no better than Truly Med in SF, but it's a pleasant space. Indus Village's specials include dishes I haven't seen elsewhere. Zeni in San Jose is at the top of my South Bay to-try list. Thu Feb 19 12:53:39 -0800 2009 4430805 11369 Robert Lauriston 1 4432965 DaveMP: Have you tried Amber? There is one in San Jose, Mountain View and the latest in San Francisco in the pedestrian walkway (Yerba Buena Lane) between Market and Mission, with the entrance being closest to Market & the corner of 4th Street). Your tastebuds are in for a treat. Go for the brunch (all-you-can-eat) on Sundays $19.95. No nasty things left on steam tables for hours. Beautiful fresh, beautifully spiced Indian food, with specialty vegetarian fare that you normally do not find elsewhere. The Korma curries are memorable, and you can taste things like apricot in the sauces which will educate your palate on how these dishes are supposed to taste. Most local Indian and Pakistani restaurants leave out ingredients like it was going out of style and think we won't notice the lack! Just imagine if you were serving omelets and left out the eggs! Next for taste, hearty portions and "bang for the buck" - try Chutneys on Jones near O'Farrell; Raja in the Haight and Indian Aroma on Polk. Punjab Kebab House is also good, their bread is from scratch, service is extremely slow, so unless you have no place to go... For the saag of your dreams - it's still either India Palace (Fillmore) or Shalimar. Afghan food - Helmand; Persian food - best in Bay Area: Alborz on Van Ness. Taiwanese - Taiwan Restaurant at 445 Clement, SF. (I was brought up in South China and I can recommend that one). IlanaW Thu Feb 19 12:25:40 -0800 2009 4419666 268193 IlanaW 2 4433062 There's an Amber in SF now. http://blogs.sfweekly.com/foodie/lauriston/ Thu Feb 19 12:54:27 -0800 2009 4432965 11369 Robert Lauriston 1 4438919 the best! Kabul in San Carlos Shalizar in Belmont for Persian food both delicious Sat Feb 21 09:12:54 -0800 2009 4419666 237170 traveler4ever 1 4505786 >anywhere within a 70 mile radius of SF ... Other Middle Eastern< Don't forget the North Bay. Petaluma has the long-standing Aram's, owned by an Armenian family, and the new Real Doner (Turkish). Sat Mar 14 20:48:22 -0700 2009 4419666 10724 Mick Ruthven