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Burger place for Sunday Night

I'm trying to pick a burger place for tomorrow night, it's between Grace, Lucky Devils, 25 degrees, or Tops. I posted this on the enormous best burger topic post, however i think it just got lost in there. It's just me in a friend I don't care about decor, or price really, just which one has the best overall meat and flavor since I only go out for burgers once in a blue moon :).


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  1. I must admit I've never been to Grace, but of the other three I would probably vote for 25 Degrees as best burger by small margin over Lucky Devils. My only qualifier to 25D is sometimes flaky service. You can valet-park at the Roosevelt and avoid the insanity of downtown Hollywood parking on a weekend.

    If by Tops you mean The Original Tops in Pasadena (best known for the Kobe Bistro Burger), it's not bad, but it's HUGE and in my experience you should order it pretty rare or you'll get it overcooked.

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    1. re: maxzook

      Yes I meant the original tops Kobe Bistro burger, I generally get my burger medium to medium well :O so i guess if i go there i should order it medium rare. Sounds like you think 25 Degrees is best though. Which burger do you recommend there.

      1. re: Ben7643

        On-the-one-hand, Tops Kobe Bistro Burger is more than just having a burger, It is the totality of 1/2 pound of American Kobe beef, Smoked Mozzarella Cheese, Caramelized onions, Tomato and Greens, and Herb Mayonnaise on a Ciabatta roll . Hey, money is everytrhing these days and this burger for under $7 allows you to go back for more two or three times for what other places will charge. Also, no other place has a side of deep fried zucchini as good (the small is big enough for two).

        3838 E Colorado Blvd (This location only – Between Rosemead Blvd. And Michillinda)
        Pasadena, CA

        On-the-other-hand, the same family that owns Tops and crfeated that Kobe Bistro burger owns Guss's. We have not seen many post about the burgers at Gus's mostly because Hounds discuss the Q at Q places. I have still not tried those several kinds of burgers at Gus's but from what I have seen when I have one there is salads and burgers just might be what this place is about. The burgers I have seen look just as great as that Tops burger special and designed with a knowledge and love for burgers...


        1. re: JeetJet

          My 11 year old pup is a fan of Gus' burgers ("plain, no accoutrements"). It's all he orders when we go.

          1. re: JeetJet

            I didn't like much about the revamped Gus's other than the cute waitress and pleasant decor, but that's a good thought. With their connection to Tops, burgers ought to be tops.

      2. If you do not ming the trek, check out 26 Beach Restaurant, they been doing burgers for over 25 years. They do not get a ton of play except from me and a few others. I think they need to hire a publicist like Lucky Devil, 25 Degrees, 8oz or all the other trendy places.

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        1. re: Burger Boy

          Never had the burger at 26 Beach, but years ago I had burgers at Beach Cafe, the guy who started the the place used to make the hamburger buns for the burgers.

          1. re: monku

            This is the same people, lease ran out at old location. Back then it was father, mother and 2 sons. One son went to culinary school, the other moved up north. Dad used to make the buns but his health is not so good these days. Still making great burgers and pastas and amazing french toasts for the brunch. Get over there and rekindle old burger memories....................LOL

            1. re: Burger Boy

              Looking at the website, the bun in the picture didn't look like a commerically made bun, which is what reminded me of the buns they used to made.

              I talked to the father a few times when I went to the original location and at the time he said his son had the restaurant up the street (26 Beach), so for a while both were operating at the same time. The father told me he was a pioneer in the sushi restaurant business in Little Tokyo and got out of the sushi business when it started getting popular and opened Beach Cafe. He was proud that all his baked items were made on the premises from scratch.

              I rarely get around to ordering the burger because there are so many other items on their menu you can't get anywhere else.

              1. re: monku

                There was an overlap. The son was hedging his bet that the old location would have the rent inreased an unreasonable amount. It sits empty to this day.

                1. re: Burger Boy

                  Well i live near 26 beach actually, i've never had a burger there in the typical sense. But i've had many of their pastas and their grilled chicken pesto sandwich. Everything there has been good but I always leave feeling like i paid to much for the food I got. It's very good food but somehow it's still overpriced.

                  1. re: Ben7643

                    I understand what you are saying, but where can youget an 8 rib rack of lamb, with veggies and mashed and with a caesar for $31, that is a meal and a half. Every other place I have had rack of lamb at gives you 4 ribs and a veggie and starch for $28-35, then you got to pay $7 for the salad. The burgers are 7-8 oz patties on a homemade bun with exotic toppings with a salad or fires for $12-$15, I think they have some Kobe stuff for a few bucks more. I recently had the breakfast burger for dinner, it was great $14 for burger with bacon, egg and cheese with french fries. The salads are huge and so are the pastas. Have you tried the brunch french toasts. I think you get good value here. Hey, they are doing some specials at lunch time, I had this shrimp pesto pasta salad thing the other day, very nice. The also have this new salad with carmelized peaches, blue cheese, walnuts and stuff that is very tasteeeee. Enough of my shilling and pimping. Check out the burgers, salads and french toast and let me and westsidegal know what you think. They must be doing something right to have been around for 26 or 27 years, damn, that is like a century in restaurant years! I know times are tough for everyone right now, but lets try to still frequent are favorite places, maybe not as much but we need to keep all these great places around. As S.E. Rykoff says, "Enjoy life, eat out more often".

                    1. re: Burger Boy

                      Well actually their burgers are similar price to the other places I mentioned. I just haven't heard that many people talk about them when they think of best burger, and since i don't go out for a burger often if ever :) i want to indulge tonight.

                      Lets say we add 26 beach to the Mix do you all like that burger better then the other 4 places I mentioned. I agree their salads are spectacular their ahi tuna is one of my favorites.

                      1. re: Ben7643

                        I do, but I am BIASED. These guys have been doing Freat straight up burgers for 26 years and Amazing exotic burgers also. The Bombay Burger, The Ole, The Breakfast burger, look at the menu, they make their buns there and it comes with a salad or fresh cut fries. I wish they had shakes or fried zuchini but for a burger, this is my place! If you do not go tonight, make sure you go and try them and let us know your opinion.

              2. re: Burger Boy

                you forgot to mention the terrific, inventive, consistent salads they serve

                1. re: westsidegal

                  Hey, westsidegal, have you been to lunch there in the last few weeks, they got some lunch specials and some really good new salads. Manggia

                  1. re: Burger Boy

                    i mostly do dinner at 26 beach,
                    i prefer THE SPOT in hermosa beach or shamshiri grill in westwood for lunch. ( completely different types of restaurants).

                    i guess if the new lunch salads get a following, they might be added to the dinner menu--d'ya think?

                    1. re: westsidegal

                      I hope so, really like the fried chicken one, with ranch dressing and i doused it with tabasco. The Pesto shrimp was also nice. I think the problem is you have to many people who have their favorites, the warm brown rice, ginger salmon, the pan fried goat cheese. It would be hard to imagine them getting rid of some salads, but who knows. I might actually go tomorrow night, I saw the valeentines menu and they are doing a ciappino and a white chocolate raspberry bread pudding that caught my eye.

                      1. re: Burger Boy

                        my favorite salad of theirs is the tuscan salad with sun dried tomatoes, asparagus, artichoke hearts, and berries.
                        for some reason i don't see it on their webpage--i hope that doesn't mean that they are planning to drop it.

                        1. re: westsidegal

                          I know they have been doing some new things and they made some changes agew months back, but I think they still make the od stuff as long as they have the ingredients, which I am guessing they would. Try the Santa Rosa salad, i enjoyed it and it is not my usual cup of tea.

          2. i would suggest the burger at morton's. i think they do it on sundays now. also, i have been to 8 oz burger bar twice recently and think very highly of theirs.

            1. ok, so with all this burger talk i got eager and figured two burgers in a day wont kill me. so i hopped in my car and headed over to 26 beach. After talking to the hostess i decided on the french burger due to her rec. It was OK, the bun was spectacular, the meat was a good quality but didnt taste very meaty to me a bit bland and boring. the mushrooms were not that great either and the cheddar they used on it was unremarkable. That said it was a good burger but i didnt like it compared to other things ive had at 26 beach. I'll come back again but not for a burger. I'm still unsure of where to try tonight but im leaning towards lucky devils ;)


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              1. re: Ben7643

                Back to your original post, I've only been to Lucky Devil's and Tops. I haven't considered Grace for burgers and 25 Degrees has been on my 'to try list' for a long time. I have enjoyed both burgers at Lucky Devil's several times although it's their beer selection on tap that draws me there! Great burgers and 'craft beer' is a best of both worlds for me! I also like that they have lowered their burger prices which now do not include the sides like fries or a small salad. IF I want a side I'll order it. Tops is the best of the fast food burgers but I sort of divide the burger world up into the under and over $10 burgers. Tops is under and LD's is over. The Office Burger at both locations of Father's Office for $12 is my favorite, Blue Palms Brewhouse, Beachwood BBQ and Boneyard Bistro (most expensive) are all very tasty (really great craft beer selection at all of them again influences me).

                1. re: sel

                  Fathers office looks like a fun place, but I don't like the fact i can't put ketchup on my burger. Or that they only cook it one way. I was really disappointed with the burger I had at lunch, i'm hoping my friend still wants to get a burger tonight cause i can't end my burger spree with that one.

                  1. re: Ben7643

                    Why do you say they only cook it one way? They have always been happy to do them anywhere from rare to at least medium (I've never been with anyone who asked for well done). Or are you referring to only one type of burger? If so, then that is the case. But a great one trick pony.

                    1. re: Servorg

                      OH really i heard that if you order it rare it comes out medium and if you order it medium well it still comes out medium and so on :)

                      1. re: Ben7643

                        I always ask for medium rare and they have hit the mark exactly every time.

                        1. re: Ben7643

                          Well I order it very rare and that's how it has been served at least 5 or 6 times. Never overcooked. As much as I love Sang Yoon's Office Burger I will say that once my GF ordered hers medium and it arrived rare. Same with the lady sitting next to us. Replacement burgers were rare too.

                  2. re: Ben7643

                    Ben, you are the man, i respect you for doing that. I would ask you to do it again but get either the Ole, Bombay, King Kobe or the Breakfast Burger, the Veggie burger is also very good, they make it in house. The French is rather boring to me. Have a great meal tonight where ever you go and enjoy!

                    1. re: Burger Boy

                      I'll go back eventually but so far my favorite thing i've had from there have been their salads and the Chicken pesto sandwhich i absolutely loved that. Thanks for the recs :).

                      1. re: Ben7643

                        Try the lunch special this week, shrimp pesto pasta salad, excellent.

                  3. Ben7643, Tops all the way. I forget the dang name, but get the pastrami burger. I think they call it a Tops special. Sounds kinda gross, but it's the stuff. The Kobe burger is pretty sweet, too. My kind of place.

                    1. LUCKY DEVILS

                      I don't know the name was stuck in my head so me and my friend headed over there tonight. I'm happy to report both burgers were excellent. We wanted to see what the difference was between kobe beef and grass fed beef so we ordered one Kobe Bacon Bleu Burger and one Lucky Burger and we had half of each :). The Kobe Bacon Blue Burger was fabulous, it had a smokey grilled flavor with just enough moisture in the meat, i like my burger medium and thats how i got it. The bacon and the maytag Bleu went wonderfully, with the slightly biter arugula it really didn't need any sauce IMO. For the second half was the Lucky burger, the meat I actually thought was a little less sweet then the Kobe meat and a bit more gamey and beefy tasting. I actually think the grass fed beef has better flavor then the Kobe, the cheese had a nice tang and overall it was a good nicely seasoned burger. If you want to indulge though the Kobe Bacon Bleu Is the way to go. I actually think if i could get the grass fed beef with all the Bacon Bleu that would be the ultimate tasting burger. Some day i'll try some of the other recs on here but now that i'm at least 3 pounds heavier i'm gonna lay off burgers for a few weeks thanks everyone :). Oh and for desert we had the chocolate crispy peanut butter thing and they were just sooooo good with a pecan shake.

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                      1. re: Ben7643

                        hello all, im new on here!

                        I cant believe no one has mention the mighty 8oz on melrose! that place is absolutely amazing! 15 bucks fer a great beer, and amazing burger, and a side (fried pickleds, truffled potatos, etc)! I highly recomend this place!

                        25degrees i was not that impressed with at all. I didnt like the atmosphere, it made me feel like i needed to be wearing an all-over print affliction or ed hardy shirt. I got one of the recomended burgs, i feel like it was a step above in and out.

                        bottom line, and 8oz. burger, rare, cannot be topped.

                        also, if yer ever in chicago go to kumas corner
                        best burgers ever!


                        1. re: GrillEmAll

                          There were a couple of mentions of 8oz above if you read through the thread. It has been covered pretty extensively in the past on other threads. Most seem to like it with a few dissenters. We haven't been to 8oz yet, but will eventually get there. I will go back to Father's Office (either Santa Monica or Los Angeles/Culver City location) when craving a great burger. Have you tried Lucky Devil's? How about the Sunday burger night at Grace. We like Lucky Devil's for both the burgers and the shakes but are still trying to get to Grace for what they have to offer.

                          Welcome to the LA board.

                          1. re: Servorg

                            Yeah, i just saw those after i posted before, ha

                            Im a recent transplant from the midwest and am an insane burger fanatic (i have "grill em all" tattooed on my arm, ha!) and want to try all these places. I gotta say tho, 8 oz blew my mind, not from the toppings, but from the sheer quality of the meat, it was amazing.

                            I have yet to try grace, lucky devils, and fathers office, which would you recomend first? Apple pan was amazing as well.


                            ps- im obssesed with oinksters pastarami sando, unreal! and cheap beer!

                            1. re: GrillEmAll

                              ...and thank you very much for the welcome servorg!

                              1. re: GrillEmAll

                                If quality of beef is a very important element to you, and since you like your burgers rare, give Father's Office in LA/CC a try. Now a little forewarning. They only do "one style" of burger - and it's not on a "traditional" hamburger bun. No changes, no substitutions. They don't serve ketchup, (although they do serve a good dipping sauce for the fries), but both their regular fries are good as well as their sweet potato fries.

                                They have an amazing selection of craft beers and the LA/CC location also serves great mixed drinks. It can get insanely crowded, just like Santa Monica which is much smaller, but the space is quite nice.

                                The price of admission to the LA Chowhound board is not too steep. Just keep posting about places you like and food you eat and you will be a fully paid up member in good standing.

                                Ps. And to show you that burgers are a fairly popular topic here (lol) and to provide you with some light reading in case you are having touble falling asleep, take a look at one previous "burger" thread here which spans a running 2 year period of comments:

                                1. re: Servorg

                                  Just went to Fathers Office recently... the burger was great, but I swear I'm sneaking in ketchup packets for the fries next time I go in there.

                                  1. re: ldodb

                                    A gripping tale of bravery and daring do.....Behind enemy lines with nothing but a ketchup packet between you and sudden mayhem... I know those who have done that. May they RIP (g)

                                    1. re: Servorg

                                      If I lose my job and need to make some quick money, I would set up a sidewalk stall on Montana Avenue renting folding chairs and tables and selling ketchup packets for $2 each.

                                  2. re: Servorg

                                    hell yeah! this board is absolutely great.

                                    ive been wanting to try fathers office for some time now. the problem is getting out there (i have no car and live in silverlake). My friends w/ cars always talk about going, but it never happens.

                                    i have no problem posting about food (especially something so dear to me as burgs), so this is perfect! Glad to be in the company of fellow food nuts!


                                    ps- i have 15 different amazing burger recipies right now, im actually working on a menu to open up my very own gormet burg spot (unfortunately for you guys its gonna be back in cleveland).

                                    1. re: GrillEmAll

                                      Very active Home Cooking board: http://chowhound.chow.com/boards/31 for discussion of recipes.

                                      1. re: GrillEmAll

                                        Two great burger's you have to try on your side of town.
                                        The bucket, very casual w/ beer on tap. They guy, Julio, who started this place was bausque and they have this crazy sauce he invented. Recently a local guy bought it and cleaned it up.
                                        The Columbo's Italian Steakhouse. I love their burger that you order at the bar. I haven't tried 8oz so I can't compare to that yet but it beats every other burger I have had in this city.

                                        4541 Eagle Rock Blvd
                                        Los Angeles, CA 90041
                                        (323) 257-5654

                                        1833 Colorado Blvd
                                        Los Angeles, CA 90041
                                        (323) 254-9138‎

                                        1. re: PurpleTeeth

                                          I have never been to the bucket, but the complaints on this board with regard to its burgers have revolved around their refusal to cook less than medium at the pinkest. Is that still the case, do you know?

                                          1. re: Servorg

                                            No the new owner is much more flexible and he has a local place he gets his beef ground from. It's also cleaner and more together. We weren't huge fans of what the Bucket was a few years ago but this new guy has really fixed it up.

                                            1. re: PurpleTeeth

                                              Good to know, thanks.

                                              The Bucket
                                              4541 Eagle Rock Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90041

                                          2. re: PurpleTeeth

                                            Oh no, they cleaned up The Bucket? No more crack house chic?

                                            Great burger, I hope they never change it!

                                            1. re: PurpleTeeth

                                              I agree, long live The Bucket, may Julio RIP. Thank God the last few owners of The Bucket have kept the recipes intact! I had sliders at an art function in Eagle Rock, catered by Columbo's, very good.

                                              1. re: PurpleTeeth

                                                hell yeah man! thanks for the tip. the bucket sounds like my kind of place! im gonna have to go there on one of my very few days off!

                                                1. re: GrillEmAll

                                                  Was just there. Burger was great, med rare and very garlicky Julio Sauce. mmmm. They will do hand cut fries if they are not busy. Stella on Tap. Yum

                                          3. re: GrillEmAll

                                            Add 25 Degrees and (especially) Boneyard Bistro to your must-try list. Both excellent burgers with prime meat.

                                            1. re: maxzook

                                              Max, I see above that he (GrillEmAll) did try 25 Degrees and was not impressed. I still have to get out to the Valley for a Boneyard burger. I hope that they will make me a "stinky" burger when I do.

                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                Wow my little burger thread is turning into an all out burger thread :) People love their burgers, I may try Grace's this week depending on how much junk i eat on valentines tomorrow.

                                        2. re: GrillEmAll

                                          I went to 8 oz last night after some dining deliberations (I usually go out on Sundays and spend half the day figuring out where I'm going to go), but seeing they had cheese curds on the menu sealed the deal.

                                          I ordered the cheese curds, the 8 oz burger and a beer. The cheese curds arrived, and I was immediately disappointed. These are not true cheese curds. I grew up in MN and I haven't seen or had authentic cheese curds outside of MN (or WI, but MN's are superior), so I was hesitant when I saw them on the menu. These were basically like mozzarella sticks shaped like balls with orange cheddar cheese. I had 3 of them and left the rest. The burger was also a bit disappointing. It was ok, I guess, but after eating at Umami the day before, and hearing some good things about 8 oz, I was optimistic. But it reminded me of a Fatburger. I finished it only because I spent $10 on it. Atleast the beer was good.

                                          Definitely won't be back to 8 oz. There's just much better options for burgers (especially when I live very close to Philly West, Hole in the Wall and not too far from FO). The one bright spot, however, the waiter, seeing I only ate about 3 of the cheese curds - I told them I was from MN and these were not anything like cheese curds, took them off my bill.

                                      2. I was at Laurel Terrace (Studio City) last night and had a fantastic burger. This is a semi-new gastro pub and I have to admit I was impressed with the entire establishment and burger. The "laurel" burger came out perfectly cooked (med. rare IMHO) and juicy!!! with an additional 1/2 order of frys with it - Delish!

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