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Why is the coral separated from the scallop?

cassis Jan 31, 2009 11:01 PM

In the US why is the coral of scallops removed, and what happens to it? Whether in the markets or served in restaurants, it's as if the coral doesn't exist. Here in France where I've been for a few months, the coral is attached or served with the scallops.

I could also ask why we in the US are deprived of the sight of a composition of whole fish on ice as seen here in every supermarket, instead of rows of fillets, but that's another topic.

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  1. limster RE: cassis Feb 1, 2009 05:12 AM

    Not every supermarket is fillet only - check out the Chinese supermarkets.

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      MakingSense RE: cassis Feb 1, 2009 08:25 AM

      The coral is highly perishable and deteriorates much more quickly than the scallop muscle itself. It's not practical for shipping and handling through the wholesale process.
      Some restaurants will get the scallops with roe attached because they get it straight from the supplier rather than through wholesalers.

      Sadly, most Americans prefer fillets to whole fish. They don't want to deal with the bones. Some even object to the sight of the entire fish with the head. If they buy it that way, they'll ask the fishmonger to fillet it for them, and don't even take the fish frames and heads with them for making stock. Go figure. Fishmongers do make a profit however selling the frames and heads to others.

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        porker RE: MakingSense Feb 1, 2009 08:37 AM

        I will comment on your other topic - whole fish. I live in Canada and will include this country where, it seems, most people do not like the sight of whole fish.
        I'll order whole fish in a restaurant over fillets whenever I can. It comes on the plate as a beautiful thing, but others don't seem to share this enthusiasm;
        "Thats gross" or "Uggh" or "How can you eat something thats looking back at you" etc etc

        Steams me.

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          hungryungry RE: porker Feb 6, 2009 08:07 PM

          and the cheeks are so delicious!

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          danieljdwyer RE: MakingSense Apr 3, 2009 06:40 AM

          On the subject of whole fish, the other issue is that Americans love big fish. For a lot of people, buying a whole salmon, tuna, swordfish, et cetera, just isn't practical. I know I could not come close to using any of those before they were no longer fresh. I prefer mostly smaller fish, which are sold whole at any decent fish market in New England.

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          kobetobiko RE: cassis Feb 1, 2009 09:12 AM

          I personally love the coral of scallops and it's so sad that you can't get it in the US. Occasionally I can find whole scallops in shells or the corals as sashimi, but only very rarely, and usually come with a high price. I recalled having a dish in England which was made with just a plate of corals! It's a wonderful dish.

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            steinpilz RE: kobetobiko Feb 2, 2009 02:28 PM

            The only place I see scallop with coral regularly is at a local Japanese market here in Boston (Kotobukiya, they have great fish), so they must get them somewhere. I am definitely grateful.

            Another place that had them routinely 10 or 20 years ago was the Brickskeller restaurant in DC. Don't know where they got them though.

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              kmoorebaltimore RE: kobetobiko Apr 3, 2009 05:56 AM

              Please check out Martin Fish Company at the commercial harbor in West Ocean City. They've started to carry live local scallops still in their mangificent shells as nature intended us to eat them. Last weekend we had the sushi-style the first night. The next day I pan seared them with garlic and Applewood smoked bacon, finished with a Pernod cream sauce served over wilted baby spinach! Mmmm, mmmm, good! We're picking up 3 dozen tomorrow morning for our "celebration of scallops" shindig. Check out Martin Fish please! 410-213-2195 and ask for Erika!

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                Chanteuse_ar RE: kobetobiko Nov 26, 2011 11:53 PM

                I found shucked scallops sold with the coral at Citarella a few weeks ago selling for a whopping 28 bucks a pound. They'd probably be less expensive if purchased still in the shell and I'm fairly certain they can be gotten at Hunt's Point and can probably be ordered through any reputable fishmonger if they don't already carry them.

              2. cassis RE: cassis Feb 2, 2009 05:07 AM

                Thank you all for your comments, from which I learn that we in the US do not have access to really fresh fish (coral deteriorates quickly) and that we are happy to eat things without considering the true origin (fillet was once a live creature) and that we miss out on the pleasure of seeing the beauty of these creatures in their environment, which prevents us perhaps from feeling responsible for maintaining its vitality.

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                  HaagenDazs RE: cassis Feb 2, 2009 07:08 AM

                  You are absolutely correct in your post. Unfortunately the majority of the US has been "Walmart-icized" and the grocery stores are now filled with boneless skinless chicken breast, bland pork chops, farm-raised tilapia, and the occasional steak.

                  With that said, most people in the US do not live in an area where really fresh seafood is easily attainable. For example, you live in Boston and are more likely to have access to super-fresh seafood simply because of your location in the world. People in Oklahoma City don't have that luxury so to appeal to the masses, the people who supply the fish must adhere to the lowest common denominator approach.

                  In other words: Fish Company A is a huge seafood supplier. They provide scallops, shrimp, and cod to grocery stores all over the US and their goal is not only to provide quality product but to make money too. In order to make money that supports their business model, they have to sell their seafood all over the US, not just in small niche markets in seaside cities. Their product is processed in a large facility in... let's say Boston. So in order to ensure a quality product they process all their scallops in the same way, cut off the roe, flash freeze the actual scallop and bag and box them. In the truck they go and they're off on their journey. This way they can provide a good product and sell it not only in Boston, but in Oklahoma City as well and everywhere in between. Everyone gets the same thing at the same, affordable price.

                  Now there's Seafood Company B too. This company is a much smaller company and tries to provide the best quality product for high-end restaurants and small seafood markets. They run day boats and their seafood is delivered fresh every afternoon. They sell scallops with the roe still attached because #1 they are back into port every day so their product is really fresh, and #2 their buyers will likely pay the higher price that this kind of product calls for. So company B gets top dollar for their product and have a good, working relationship with their customers so if the customer asks for scallops with roe, company B can provide those scallops with roe.

                  These types of businesses can be transferred to all foods from produce to poultry.

                  Now, I'll preface this by saying I absolutely agree with your statements above but...
                  Obviously you can see what business is more common: Fish Company A. This is where most people get their food. This is the company that can supply the most product at the cheapest price to the widest audience. Sounds a little like Walmart, right?! That's why I said that above. It doesn't mean it's the best, it just means that it's the most common. Now add 50 years of this type of business dominating the US market and you get what we have today. People get so used to buying what the grocery store tells them to buy that they don't know any better.

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                    Harters RE: cassis Feb 6, 2009 01:57 PM

                    The issue is not simply a matter of you living in a large country but one of attitudes to food.

                    I'm British. Nowwhere in my country is more than 70 miles from the sea. Yet fillets of fish are almost all you will see in a supermarket. We no longer prize what's almost on our doorstep.

                    I'm fortunate that I can walk to the next village which still has a fishmonger; buy a fish and get her/him to gut, scale and prep it any way I need.

                    I contrast that with Spain where many places are many kilometres from the sea and yet even in small towns you will see spankingly fresh fish. It's because the Spanish prize their seafood.

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                      tastesgoodwhatisit RE: Harters Nov 29, 2011 12:32 AM

                      Going back to a more whole-animal approach to buying food takes a bit of getting used to. I had the experience recently of going from a visit in Canada (neat boxes of frozen boneless skinless chicken breasts), to standing in an outdoor market listening to the chickens cluck while I waited for mine to be gutted and cleaned. And never mind the pig faces hanging on the hook the next stall over....

                      But I've grown to absolutely love whole fish. They're easier to cook, it's much easier to tell what kind of fish you've got and how fresh they are, and if I want it gutted or fileted or chopped into pieces, I can get it done easily (as long as I can express what I want in Chinese). And when I buy clams or shrimp, I know their fresh because they are live when I get them.

                      And a lot of smaller fish aren't practical to fillet, so you just don't see them in stores at all in Canada and the US.

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                    YvesNY RE: cassis Feb 6, 2009 06:18 AM

                    The only way to get good fish/shellfish in the US is to go to the source, i.e. to the fisherman or the grower. That's what I have been doing for 20 years, as I could not find the same variety and quality I enjoyed in France, specially in Paris where all the fish is shipped every night right out of the boat from Normandy and Brittany. Here in NY going to the fish market, now at Hunts Point in the Bronx, is an option, but it does not guarantee freshness. There was a piece on Food TV "Follow that fish", showing that it can take about a week for a cod caught in Boston to get to a restaurant kitchen in Pennsylvania... Oops!
                    As to scallops, which BTW are delicious in the US (larger and sweeter than the European variety), once you have passed the "dry scallops" rip off, you sometimes can find them in the shell with the roe in Japanese food stores, but at a high cost...
                    Not being able to buy scallops in the shell is really a pity because for a gourmet, there is nothing better than a scallop carpaccio WITH the roe.
                    I don't think the roe spoils any faster than the muscle part, if it is kept under proper refrigeration . Shellfish can keep for a long time. I keep my oysters and clams for 2 weeks in the refrigerator. Scallops (sea or bay) whose shell is always open can keep for at least 3 days.
                    About eating scallops, try to cook them as little as you can, like quickly sear them. Better, eat them raw if very fresh, as tartare or carpaccio, where they really taste what they are...

                    1. soypower RE: cassis Feb 6, 2009 02:12 PM

                      Wow. This thread has made me realize that I've never seen a scallop in it's entirety...What does the coral taste like? From a google image search, it looks almost like hokigai...

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                        Paulustrious RE: soypower Apr 3, 2009 06:50 AM

                        Here is Canada you will find fish roe of all types in the Asian supermarkets, but not the 'Caucasian' ones. While I was in Miami for 6 years I think the only place I saw roe was in Little Haiti. (Excluding caviare, that is).

                        In my experience most Americans don't want fish eggs with their fish. They want them removed as part of the gutting procedure. I suspect this is now true of my homeland in the UK. It wasn't like that 45 years ago in Liverpool.

                      2. Passadumkeg RE: cassis Feb 6, 2009 02:52 PM

                        I'm lucky. I get scallops from my students that lobster in the summer and drag for scallops or net Maine shrimp. (My wife just brought home 10 lbs. of shrimp for 5 bucks.). They think I'm crazy but give me the coral. Coquille Saint Jacques Mornay on the half shell w/ the bright red coral peeking out. I generally buy a 5 gal bucket of scallops, bag and freeze.
                        Scallop white pizza!

                        1. bkhuna RE: cassis Feb 6, 2009 07:20 PM

                          I'm sure that a large part of our country has limited access to FRESH whole fish. Would you purchase a whole fish from a Wallymart located in the middle of Kansas for example?

                          I live a couple of miles from the ocean (I can literally see the large ships at the port from my house), and even I wouldn't buy whole fish in the grocery store.

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                            MakingSense RE: bkhuna Feb 7, 2009 06:58 PM

                            There are actual fish in the lakes and rivers of Kansas and the rest of America.
                            There's some damned good fishing in most of the US. The fish are pretty fresh when you catch them.

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                              NVJims RE: MakingSense Apr 4, 2009 05:48 PM

                              Unfortunately, most of these local waters will not support a commercial fishery. It is just not the annual recruitment of stocks to sustain the fish populations, it also involves having an economically viable business operation to harvest. Also, a lot of fresh water fisheries are sadly contaminated.

                          2. Delucacheesemonger RE: cassis Apr 4, 2009 06:17 PM

                            As you know, in France , scallops only sold live in shell, thus coral still intact.

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                              sunshine842 RE: Delucacheesemonger Nov 27, 2011 02:06 AM

                              Not in the supermarkets or poissoneries I've been in -- yes, you can buy them in the shell, but you can buy them already shelled, too -- laid out on the ice both places.

                              Anyone have some tips for cooking them with the coral? Despite having been cooking scallops (excellently, if I say so myself) for my entire adult life, I find the coral to be strongly flavored, overpowering the delicate flavor of the muscle itself.

                              Am I doing something wrong, or I'm just not a coral-eater?

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                                TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis RE: sunshine842 Nov 27, 2011 01:38 PM

                                The coral should be mild in flavor. Do you prep from the shell?
                                I can only get these from local sources spring through early summer.
                                Even then, they are relatively small in size ... think thumb/index fingers of both hands joined and spread.

                                The absolute best scallops I've had were charger-plate span shells w/ fist-sized muscles ringed w/ bright orange coral.
                                These were prepared by a professional chef ... gently steamed over a Sauterne.
                                A light treatment allows the essence to shine.

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                                  penthouse pup RE: sunshine842 Nov 27, 2011 02:07 PM

                                  When they are available, we simmer them very quickly in sake and then dip them into ponzu sauce...
                                  If fresh, the texture is delicate (sort of like uni but firmer) and the flavor is not strong at all...

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                                    pj26 RE: penthouse pup Nov 28, 2011 07:04 AM

                                    In New Zealand we always have them with the coral, to me it seems sacrilege to remove! Best way is to cook them in their shells on the BBQ with a bit of butter, garlic and white wine.

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                                      sunshine842 RE: penthouse pup Nov 28, 2011 11:08 AM

                                      thanks, all -- I'll try again with a gentle steam.

                                      Since I'm from Florida, I'm used to a saute or a quick sear...and the coral is pretty bleh when prepared that way.

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                                        TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis RE: sunshine842 Nov 28, 2011 04:33 PM

                                        There seems to be a tendency to sear and develop a "sweet"/candied edge ...
                                        If you can get *really* good scallops ... treat them easily.
                                        (BTW ... I could never get these retail)

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                                          sunshine842 RE: TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis Nov 28, 2011 10:54 PM

                                          It can be delicious and not sweet at all -- but not with the coral.

                                          (Does Bay scallops that I harvested myself meet your approval?)

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                                            TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis RE: sunshine842 Nov 29, 2011 04:47 PM

                                            I could never understand the premium bay scallops command ...
                                            sea scallops rule, assuming you can get prime shells.

                                            That "sweetness" ... candy note ...
                                            is brought on by the caramelization of searing.

                                            poach, my friend, poach.

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                                              David11238 RE: TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis Nov 30, 2011 01:02 AM

                                              Eat both of them raw or rare. Bay scallops are like Neptune's candy.

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                                                sunshine842 RE: TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis Nov 30, 2011 12:32 PM

                                                because in some parts of the southeast US, they were frigging swimming the same day you eat them!

                                                Not yucking someone else's yum, etc., et.c, etc.

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                                        Delucacheesemonger RE: sunshine842 Nov 29, 2011 01:12 AM

                                        Saw them Sunday at Bastille market, glistening and with coral attached, but for 70 euros/kilo or @ $ 40/lb. This is because l imagine they shuck either in house or very nearby. So the result costs is so much higher than 7 euros/kilo for whole live ones.

                                    2. David11238 RE: cassis Nov 28, 2011 07:16 AM

                                      It's not only scallops where some thing like the coral is discarded. Try and find turkey tails. How about fat on a steak? Hell! Even so called "by=products" like lips, spleens, etc, have an unjustified bad rap. And I find all of the aforementioned to be the tastiest of the respective lot. You can't even go to a restaurant in the States without the chef removing the tamale and roe from a lobster dinner. And believe you, me, I always request that it be left in there. To no avail.

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                                        pj26 RE: David11238 Nov 28, 2011 08:15 AM

                                        It's getting more and more difficult to buy chickens/birds with their giblets in these days. We have no chance with the supermarkets in the UK, although most butchers will give them to you.

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                                          Chanteuse_ar RE: pj26 Nov 28, 2011 08:59 AM

                                          Not the case in the States, even if you buy a bird tat doesn't have them inside, you can usually find them sold separately rather inexpensively near the chickens in the refrigerator case..

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                                          Chanteuse_ar RE: David11238 Nov 29, 2011 04:20 AM

                                          It really depends on where you go and more often if your server understands what you're talking about and cares enough to communicate it to the kitchen. Perhaps if you tried asking that the lobster be left whole when brought to the table?

                                          As far as all the other discarded tasty bits, the nose to tail movement is making its way into more and more restaurant kitchens albeit very slowly. Artisanal butchers are popping up everywhere run by people who really care about what they sell and will sell you any part of the animal you want. They're more expensive sometimes, but probably not so much for these traditionally discarded bits

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                                            huiray RE: Chanteuse_ar Nov 30, 2011 09:27 AM

                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/812363

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                                          INDIANRIVERFL RE: cassis Nov 28, 2011 08:39 AM

                                          In Germany, at a big box store, you could get individually packaged coquille st. jacques. Coral intact. These frozen treats were always a guilty pleasure.

                                          Still am using the shells.

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